Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers

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2001 Lakers playoff outcome

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Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#1 » by tonyreyes123 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:52 am

Everything else stays the same (matchups, HCA, etc)
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#2 » by Matt15 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:11 am

Easy title.
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#3 » by migya » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:29 am

They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.
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Post#4 » by ardee » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:13 pm

migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#5 » by migya » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:25 pm

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migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.



Shaq was a much different player, much harder to defend inside and overall. Jokic wouldn't score as easily against Robinson, he'd have to shoot from the outside and that isn't the most effective for him and any big. Jokic isn't defending Robinson will either. It's much different. His passing isn't adding much either as Shaq attracting defenders on the interior was what opened it for his team.
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#6 » by Jaivl » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:56 pm

Shaq dominated because he played against Jordan and absorbed some of his TOUGHNESS, GRIT and REAL BASKETBALL, while Jokic did not, so he loses (remember 2001 is close to the 1990s, the peak of human performance).
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#7 » by FuShengTHEGreat » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:00 pm

migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


As good as Shaq played the biggest problem for the Spurs that series was their inability to matchup with Kobe. Duncan had a monster first 2 games and they were still down 0-2.

Exacerbated by the fact that Derek Anderson the starter got injured vs Dallas and missed the series.

Elliott and Porter were at the end of their careers and A.Daniels was too small. Kobe was having a field day either 1 on 1 or beating them down the court in transition for easy baskets.
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Post#8 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:04 pm

ardee wrote:
migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.


I'd argue that they'd get beat even worse. Teams back then hardly defended the 3 and Kobe killed the Spurs with a packed paint. Teleporting current Jokic to that series would make the offensive mismatch even worse. Shaq scored on 55% TS in that series so it wasn't like he was killing the Spurs with his scoring. It was Kobe and guys like Fisher and Fox who tore up the Spurs from 3.
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#9 » by ardee » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:29 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
ardee wrote:
migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.


I'd argue that they'd get beat even worse. Teams back then hardly defended the 3 and Kobe killed the Spurs with a packed paint. Teleporting current Jokic to that series would make the offensive mismatch even worse. Shaq scored on 55% TS in that series so it wasn't like he was killing the Spurs with his scoring. It was Kobe and guys like Fisher and Fox who tore up the Spurs from 3.


Yeah you're probably right. Kobe and Jokic would play off each other probably better than Kobe and Shaq did.
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Post#10 » by ardee » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:30 pm

migya wrote:
ardee wrote:
migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.


How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.



Shaq was a much different player, much harder to defend inside and overall. Jokic wouldn't score as easily against Robinson, he'd have to shoot from the outside and that isn't the most effective for him and any big. Jokic isn't defending Robinson will either. It's much different. His passing isn't adding much either as Shaq attracting defenders on the interior was what opened it for his team.


Jokic would score easily against literally anyone in history.
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Post#11 » by ShotCreator » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:17 pm

migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.

Love late career D-Rob's defense but Jokic is a terrible matchup for him. Ridiculously high center of gravity and Jokic has a pivot and fake game similar to Hakeem on top of the bruiser style of backing down.

Jokic would possibly light him on fire in the back half of a series.

Overall LA was too sharp and honed in defensively and shooting wise that playoff run. They kill in similar fashion with Jokic.
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Post#12 » by PistolPeteJR » Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:18 pm

Jaivl wrote:Shaq dominated because he played against Jordan and absorbed some of his TOUGHNESS, GRIT and REAL BASKETBALL, while Jokic did not, so he loses (remember 2001 is close to the 1990s, the peak of human performance).


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Post#13 » by PistolPeteJR » Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:18 pm

ardee wrote:
migya wrote:
ardee wrote:
How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.



Shaq was a much different player, much harder to defend inside and overall. Jokic wouldn't score as easily against Robinson, he'd have to shoot from the outside and that isn't the most effective for him and any big. Jokic isn't defending Robinson will either. It's much different. His passing isn't adding much either as Shaq attracting defenders on the interior was what opened it for his team.


Jokic would score easily against literally anyone in history.


Not so sure he'd score easily on the likes of Wilt and Russell tbh.
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Post#14 » by sikma42 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:58 am

ardee wrote:
migya wrote:
ardee wrote:
How is Robinson going to be more effective defensively against a guy who shot 46% from 3 the whole Playoffs than a guy who lives in the paint?

The 2001 Lakers SLAUGHTERED the Spurs. Won by 14, 7, 39 and 29. Jokic's overall impact is in the same ballpark as Shaq, he may be a bit worse but the margin is nowhere enough to change the result when one team eviscerates the other so badly.



Shaq was a much different player, much harder to defend inside and overall. Jokic wouldn't score as easily against Robinson, he'd have to shoot from the outside and that isn't the most effective for him and any big. Jokic isn't defending Robinson will either. It's much different. His passing isn't adding much either as Shaq attracting defenders on the interior was what opened it for his team.


Jokic would score easily against literally anyone in history.

Cmon this is silly.


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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#15 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:14 am

I don’t even think you need to have Jokic at shaq level to say they win the chip, they went 16-1 lmao
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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#16 » by tsherkin » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:40 am

They trash the league. Of course replacing Shaq with Jokic, they win.
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Post#17 » by Bwelc679 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:39 pm

They lose because this time Tim Donahue is fired and the Bucks rightfully make the finals. Ray Allen averages 27 5 and 5 while shooting 43% from 3. Glen "Big Dog" Robinson averages 24 and 7 boards with 2 stocks while shooting over 50% from the floor but the biggest star is the guy who already had 2 rings and hit huge shots earlier in his career: Sam Cassel. Mr. Cassell goes on to average 26 points with 9 assists and only 1 turnover a game while shooting the lights out and making Derrick Fisher reconsider his career choice. The Bucks big three overwhelm Kobe as they play into the fact that Kobe is still a young ball hog who doesn't trust his big white Serbian center whom he just met. On top of all of that, Darvin Ham is subbed in for the end of the second quarter of game two in LA and turns back the clock while breaking yet another backboard with his monstrous dunk that sets the tone for the rest of the series.

* Lastly, street ball legend, Rafer "Skip to my lew" Alston becomes the 6th man nobody expected and crosses up Tyrone Lue then hits a shot over him and walks over his corpse as an iconic moment to never be forgotten

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Re: Replace Shaq with 2023 Jokic on 2001 Lakers 

Post#18 » by sikma42 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:23 pm

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migya wrote:They probably lose against Spurs. Robinson would be more effective on both ends.

Love late career D-Rob's defense but Jokic is a terrible matchup for him. Ridiculously high center of gravity and Jokic has a pivot and fake game similar to Hakeem on top of the bruiser style of backing down.

Jokic would possibly light him on fire in the back half of a series.

Overall LA was too sharp and honed in defensively and shooting wise that playoff run. They kill in similar fashion with Jokic.


I'm sure the combo of Duncan and Robinson would dominate the boards. Jokic would get in foul trouble guarding Duncan. Plus, you'd have Robinson or Duncan roaming on the backside for Jokic's drives/post ups. Add in that the Lakers don't have the shooters that he is currently has...

Then on top of that...Kobe would prob want to be seen as the man on the team. I'm sure they would lose way more games.

More interesting question is whether Shaq or Duncan would have won with his 2020 Nuggets team.
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Post#19 » by homecourtloss » Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:00 pm

Jaivl wrote:Shaq dominated because he played against Jordan and absorbed some of his TOUGHNESS, GRIT and REAL BASKETBALL, while Jokic did not, so he loses (remember 2001 is close to the 1990s, the peak of human performance).


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Post#20 » by tsherkin » Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:59 pm

migya wrote:Jokic wouldn't score as easily against Robinson,


Why? Robinson wasn't magical. He was fast, sure, but that doesn't really bother Jokic. Joker isn't really bothered too much by length and even coming down a little from the unearthly performance he has managed in his actual career (which isn't a guarantee anyway), he'd still be considerably more effective than Shaq in that matchup.

His passing isn't adding much either as Shaq attracting defenders on the interior was what opened it for his team.


At this point, one has to wonder if you're trolling. The greatest passing big we've ever seen wouldn't make a difference compared to a guy who developed his passing game much more once he was within Phil's guidance and the triangle? Are you serious? That can't be a serious contention.

ardee wrote:Yeah you're probably right. Kobe and Jokic would play off each other probably better than Kobe and Shaq did.


This is an underrated point. Jokic doesn't need to get out there and take a billion shots, and is plenty happy as long as the team is winning. Having a passer of that level drawing attention and helping open up the interior would make Kobe that much more effective.

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