Players who improve in playoffs vs get worse in playoffs stats.

[Woodsanity]

I was interested in seeing which active players actually elevated in the playoffs and which players became a Karl Malone.

RS PER PS PER Differential
1. Lebron 27.2, 27.9, +0.7
2. AD 27, 26.6, -0.4
3. KD 25.3, 24.1, -1.3
4. Giannis 24.9, 25.6, +0.7
5. Towns 24.4, 15.6, -8.8
6. Jokic 27.7, 29.0, +1.3
7. Harden 24.0, 22.0, -2.0
8. CP3 24.3, 23.2, -1.1
9. Curry 24.1, 23.0 -1.1
10. Embiid 27.9, 21.6 -6.3
11. Kawhi 23.4, 24.3 1.0
12. Lillard 22.5, 19.8 -2.7
13. WB 22.2, 22.0 -0.2
14. Kyrie 22.4, 21.1 -1.3
15. Butler 21.6, 21.5 -0.1
16. Luka 25.2, 27.9 2.5
17. Tatum 19.7, 19 -.7

You can feel free to add the people not on this list there are a lot more players I could have added.

Some names here surprise me. I expected WB to do worse than this, playoff Butler may be a myth. Lillard is not as good of a playoff performer as his reputation suggests. Luka has the biggest difference in rs and ps but to be fair the sample size isn't large which also applies to Towns I dont think he will be that bad forever.

[dygaction]

It took me 5 min trying to add some sense to your numbering sequence but I failed...

[MiamiBulls]

Wow, people still use PER in year 2023?

[OhayoKD]

I was interested in seeing which active players actually elevated in the playoffs and which players became a Karl Malone.

RS PER PS PER Differential
1. Lebron 27.2, 27.9, +0.7
2. AD 27, 26.6, -0.4
3. KD 25.3, 24.1, -1.3
4. Giannis 24.9, 25.6, +0.7
5. Towns 24.4, 15.6, -8.8
6. Jokic 27.7, 29.0, +1.3
7. Harden 24.0, 22.0, -2.0
8. CP3 24.3, 23.2, -1.1
9. Curry 24.1, 23.0 -1.1
10. Embiid 27.9, 21.6 -6.3
11. Kawhi 23.4, 24.3 1.0
12. Lillard 22.5, 19.8 -2.7
13. WB 22.2, 22.0 -0.2
14. Kyrie 22.4, 21.1 -1.3
15. Butler 21.6, 21.5 -0.1
16. Luka 25.2, 27.9 2.5
17. Tatum 19.7, 19 -.7

You can feel free to add the people not on this list there are a lot more players I could have added.

Some names here surprise me. I expected WB to do worse than this, playoff Butler may be a myth. Lillard is not as good of a playoff performer as his reputation suggests. Luka has the biggest difference in rs and ps but to be fair the sample size isn't large which also applies to Towns I dont think he will be that bad forever.

You should add minutes played. Averages tend to go down the longet someone plays

[Ron Swanson]

Say what you want about PER, but I can't be the only one surprised at how that's actually a pretty accurate list as far as reflecting the established playoff risers (Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic, Lebron, Luka), the most egregious regressors (Towns, Embiid, Harden), as well as, IMO, highlighting some (Lillard, KD, Tatum, Kyrie) with exaggerated (re: overrated) reputations as "clutch" postseason players.

[dygaction]

I was interested in seeing which active players actually elevated in the playoffs and which players became a Karl Malone.

RS PER PS PER Differential
1. Lebron 27.2, 27.9, +0.7
2. AD 27, 26.6, -0.4
3. KD 25.3, 24.1, -1.3
4. Giannis 24.9, 25.6, +0.7
5. Towns 24.4, 15.6, -8.8
6. Jokic 27.7, 29.0, +1.3
7. Harden 24.0, 22.0, -2.0
8. CP3 24.3, 23.2, -1.1
9. Curry 24.1, 23.0 -1.1
10. Embiid 27.9, 21.6 -6.3
11. Kawhi 23.4, 24.3 1.0
12. Lillard 22.5, 19.8 -2.7
13. WB 22.2, 22.0 -0.2
14. Kyrie 22.4, 21.1 -1.3
15. Butler 21.6, 21.5 -0.1
16. Luka 25.2, 27.9 2.5
17. Tatum 19.7, 19 -.7

You can feel free to add the people not on this list there are a lot more players I could have added.

Some names here surprise me. I expected WB to do worse than this, playoff Butler may be a myth. Lillard is not as good of a playoff performer as his reputation suggests. Luka has the biggest difference in rs and ps but to be fair the sample size isn't large which also applies to Towns I dont think he will be that bad forever.

You should add minutes played. Averages tend to go down the longet someone plays

These are all franchise players, and are expected to play added minutes during the playoffs.

[OhayoKD]

I was interested in seeing which active players actually elevated in the playoffs and which players became a Karl Malone.

RS PER PS PER Differential
1. Lebron 27.2, 27.9, +0.7
2. AD 27, 26.6, -0.4
3. KD 25.3, 24.1, -1.3
4. Giannis 24.9, 25.6, +0.7
5. Towns 24.4, 15.6, -8.8
6. Jokic 27.7, 29.0, +1.3
7. Harden 24.0, 22.0, -2.0
8. CP3 24.3, 23.2, -1.1
9. Curry 24.1, 23.0 -1.1
10. Embiid 27.9, 21.6 -6.3
11. Kawhi 23.4, 24.3 1.0
12. Lillard 22.5, 19.8 -2.7
13. WB 22.2, 22.0 -0.2
14. Kyrie 22.4, 21.1 -1.3
15. Butler 21.6, 21.5 -0.1
16. Luka 25.2, 27.9 2.5
17. Tatum 19.7, 19 -.7

You can feel free to add the people not on this list there are a lot more players I could have added.

Some names here surprise me. I expected WB to do worse than this, playoff Butler may be a myth. Lillard is not as good of a playoff performer as his reputation suggests. Luka has the biggest difference in rs and ps but to be fair the sample size isn't large which also applies to Towns I dont think he will be that bad forever.

You should add minutes played. Averages tend to go down the longet someone plays

These are all franchise players, and are expected to play added minutes during the playoffs.

cool, some of these players are playing twice as many playoff minutes over the course of their careers as others, hence distorting the averages

[OhayoKD]

Say what you want about PER, but I can't be the only one surprised at how that's actually a pretty accurate list as far as reflecting the established playoff risers (Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic, Lebron, Luka), the most egregious regressors (Towns, Embiid, Harden), as well as, IMO, highlighting some (Lillard, KD, Tatum, Kyrie) with exaggerated (re: overrated) reputations as "clutch" postseason players.

accurate based on what. Kawhi's teams do not generally overperform in the playoffs. Harden's teams do not generally underperform.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4 -0.6
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1 -0.5
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1
Sam Jones 18.7 17.5 -2.2


A real group of Karl Malones we got here

[TheGOATRises007]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6

Where are getting your numbers?

Jordan's RS PER isn't 29.1. It's 27.9.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6

Where are getting your numbers?

Jordan's RS PER isn't 29.1. It's 27.9.

The years he made the playoffs its 29.1

[dygaction]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
- not franchise player, so no comments
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
- playoffs not as impressive as regular seasons, otherwise, 2016 would be a GOAT season.
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
- that's small variation at the GOAT level.
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
- similar to Klay
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
- these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like KAJ
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
- these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like Magic
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1
- had several subpar playoffs performances

Single core Finals MVPs without another all-star player
Dream 23.6 25.7 +2.1
Duncan 24.2 24.3 +0.1
Dirk 22.4 23.8 +1.4
Jokic 27.7 29.0 +1.3

Others notable MVP dropoffs:
DRob 26.2 23.0 -2.8
Malone 23.9 21.1 -2.8
Garnett 22.7 21.1 -1.6
Harden 24.4 22.0 -2.4
Embiid 27.9 21.6 -6.3

[OhayoKD]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6 - not franchise player, so no comments
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - playoffs not as impressive as regular seasons, otherwise, 2016 would be a GOAT season.
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5 - that's small variation at the GOAT level.

Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like KAJ
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like Magic
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1 - had several subpar playoffs performances

Single core Finals MVPs without another all-star player
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
Jokic - 27.7 29.0

Others notable MVP dropoffs:
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Malone - 23.9 21.1
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Harden - 24.4 22.0
Embiid - 27.9 21.6

Players whose defenses have dropped significantly(2 or more points) without them:
Lebron 27.2, 27.9,
AD 27, 26.6
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Giannis 24.9, 25.6
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Kawhi 23.4, 24.3
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Embiid 27.9, 21.6
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4
Players whose defenses have not dropped significantly without them:
Jokic 27.7, 29.0
Michael Jordan 27.9. 28.6
Luka 25.2, 27.9
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1
KD 25.3, 24.1
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
CP3 24.3, 23.2,
Curry 24.1, 23.0
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4

Gee, I wonder what PER might be missing

[Woodsanity]

It took me 5 min trying to add some sense to your numbering sequence but I failed...

I just picked some stars/superstars so there is none maybe I shouldn't have put the numbers there.

[Woodsanity]

Say what you want about PER, but I can't be the only one surprised at how that's actually a pretty accurate list as far as reflecting the established playoff risers (Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic, Lebron, Luka), the most egregious regressors (Towns, Embiid, Harden), as well as, IMO, highlighting some (Lillard, KD, Tatum, Kyrie) with exaggerated (re: overrated) reputations as "clutch" postseason players.

accurate based on what. Kawhi's teams do not generally overperform in the playoffs. Harden's teams do not generally underperform.

Thats only because Kawhi is literally never healthy now....

This is the same guy who has two Finals MVP for christ sakes how people forget....

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4 -0.6
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1 -0.5
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1
Sam Jones 18.7 17.5 -2.2


A real group of Karl Malones we got here

Most of those guys on that list didn't drop off much aside from Klay and Bird. Klay is not a good playoff performer.
A little variance is normal, its only when the variance is a lot where they become a playoff underperformer.
Bird's efficiency dropped off like crazy in the playoffs, this is reality.

As for Kareem the dude played until he was like 41. His postseason stats are extremely skewed since he was playing tons of postseason games at 40 where he was already washed up.

Actually I should have only included prime years to make this list more accurate.

[dygaction]

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6 - not franchise player, so no comments
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - playoffs not as impressive as regular seasons, otherwise, 2016 would be a GOAT season.
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5 - that's small variation at the GOAT level.

Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like KAJ
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like Magic
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1 - had several subpar playoffs performances

Single core Finals MVPs without another all-star player
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
Jokic - 27.7 29.0

Others notable MVP dropoffs:
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Malone - 23.9 21.1
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Harden - 24.4 22.0
Embiid - 27.9 21.6

Players whose defenses have dropped significantly(2 or more points) without them:
Lebron 27.2, 27.9,
AD 27, 26.6
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Giannis 24.9, 25.6
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Kawhi 23.4, 24.3
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Embiid 27.9, 21.6
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4
Players whose defenses have not dropped significantly without them:
Jokic 27.7, 29.0
Michael Jordan 27.9. 28.6
Luka 25.2, 27.9
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1
KD 25.3, 24.1
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
CP3 24.3, 23.2,
Curry 24.1, 23.0
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4

Gee, I wonder what PER might be missing

You have just shown defense is overrated .

[OhayoKD]

accurate based on what. Kawhi's teams do not generally overperform in the playoffs. Harden's teams do not generally underperform.

Thats only because Kawhi is literally never healthy now....

So he wasn't healthy in 15, 16, and 20? Literally the only year where Kawhi's team "elevated" as a superstar was the one where he actively sandbagged the regular season.

This is the same guy who has two Finals MVP for christ sakes how people forget....

He won finals mvp as a role player in 2014 and then did it again on a team that literally went and played 60ish-win bball without him the next-year.

Maybe you're forgetting that in those same playoffs, Harden played a healthy version of the Warriors team that pushed the Raptors to a draw, and was beating the greatest team ever in 2018 until his co-star was injured.

Some more disappointing losers that will never win anything:

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4 -0.6
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1 -0.5
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4 -0.3
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1
Sam Jones 18.7 17.5 -2.2


A real group of Karl Malones we got here

Most of those guys on that list didn't drop off much aside from Klay and Bird. Klay is not a good playoff performer.
A little variance is normal, its only when the variance is a lot where they become a playoff underperformer.
Bird's efficiency dropped off like crazy in the playoffs, this is reality.

As for Kareem the dude played until he was like 41. His postseason stats are extremely skewed since he was playing tons of postseason games at 40 where he was already washed up.

Actually I should have only included prime years to make this list more accurate.

[/quote]
Just put minutes played alongside and it should be fine. "Prime" is a matter of framing

[OhayoKD]

Klay Thompson 16.3 13.7 -2.6 - not franchise player, so no comments
Stephen Curry 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - playoffs not as impressive as regular seasons, otherwise, 2016 would be a GOAT season.
Michael Jordan 29.1 28.6 -0.5 - that's small variation at the GOAT level.

Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0 -1.1 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like KAJ
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24.6 23.0 -1.6 - these are good numbers if you have another ATG teammate, like Magic
Larry Bird 23.5 21.4 -2.1 - had several subpar playoffs performances

Single core Finals MVPs without another all-star player
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
Jokic - 27.7 29.0

Others notable MVP dropoffs:
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Malone - 23.9 21.1
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Harden - 24.4 22.0
Embiid - 27.9 21.6

Players whose defenses have dropped significantly(2 or more points) without them:
Lebron 27.2, 27.9,
AD 27, 26.6
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Giannis 24.9, 25.6
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Kawhi 23.4, 24.3
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Embiid 27.9, 21.6
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4
Players whose defenses have not dropped significantly without them:
Jokic 27.7, 29.0
Michael Jordan 27.9. 28.6
Luka 25.2, 27.9
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1
KD 25.3, 24.1
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
CP3 24.3, 23.2,
Curry 24.1, 23.0
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4

Gee, I wonder what PER might be missing

You have just shown defense is overrated .

Is it?

Hakeem is one of a handful of players(post-russell, we're talking Lebron, Kareem, Robinson) to post 25+-win lift multiple times. Worth noting that this is around where RAPM tends to distribute superstar impact to role players. His peak signals are arguably era-best.

Of course, a common knock on Hakeem is his consistency as an RS performer, but even over longer periods, he looks quite good. IIRC, if you use 10-year samples...

Hakeem takes 33-win teams to 48 wins
Jordan takes 38-win teams to 53.5 wins
Magic takes 44-win teams to 59 wins

Keeping in mind that it's harder to lift better teams, Hakeem comes marginally behind Jordan, and slightly more behind Magic, but he's right up there with both.

Ben has his own(presumably more sophisticated) approach which likes Hakeem even better; "Prime WOWY" ranks Olajuwon 10th. Magic and Jordan rank 12th and 20th, respectively. Keep in mind the samples here are much, much smaller, but at least there aren't extraneous distortions to worry about as we may with something like WOWYR

Remind me again who won the most championships?

[dygaction]

Players whose defenses have dropped significantly(2 or more points) without them:
Lebron 27.2, 27.9,
AD 27, 26.6
Dream - 23.6 25.7
Giannis 24.9, 25.6
Duncan - 24.2 24.3
Kawhi 23.4, 24.3
DRob - 26.2 23.0
Embiid 27.9, 21.6
Garnett - 22.7 21.1
Scottie Pippen 18.7 18.4
Players whose defenses have not dropped significantly without them:
Jokic 27.7, 29.0
Michael Jordan 27.9. 28.6
Luka 25.2, 27.9
Shaquille O'Neal 26.6 26.1
KD 25.3, 24.1
Dirk - 22.4 23.8
CP3 24.3, 23.2,
Curry 24.1, 23.0
Magic Johnson 24.1 23.0
Kobe Bryant 23.0 22.4

Gee, I wonder what PER might be missing

You have just shown defense is overrated .

Is it?

Hakeem is one of a handful of players(post-russell, we're talking Lebron, Kareem, Robinson) to post 25+-win lift multiple times. Worth noting that this is around where RAPM tends to distribute superstar impact to role players. His peak signals are arguably era-best.

Of course, a common knock on Hakeem is his consistency as an RS performer, but even over longer periods, he looks quite good. IIRC, if you use 10-year samples...

Hakeem takes 33-win teams to 48 wins
Jordan takes 38-win teams to 53.5 wins
Magic takes 44-win teams to 59 wins

Keeping in mind that it's harder to lift better teams, Hakeem comes marginally behind Jordan, and slightly more behind Magic, but he's right up there with both.

Ben has his own(presumably more sophisticated) approach which likes Hakeem even better; "Prime WOWY" ranks Olajuwon 10th. Magic and Jordan rank 12th and 20th, respectively. Keep in mind the samples here are much, much smaller, but at least there aren't extraneous distortions to worry about as we may with something like WOWYR

Remind me again who won the most championships?

You know there must be some serious problems in rapm when Embiid, KG, and CP3 take 3 of top 4, with Manu, Green, and Tatum making the historic top 10. On the other hand, highest PER in playoffs history gives you much better selections of true champions if you can pardon AD there. 9 combined Finals MVP selection from top 10 rapm vs. 19, without counting Mikan's.

1. Nikola Jokić 29.02
2. Michael Jordan* 28.60
3. George Mikan* 28.51
4. LeBron James 27.94
5. Anthony Davis 26.56
6. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.13
7. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
8. Giannis Antetokounmpo 25.59
9. Kawhi Leonard 24.29
10. Tim Duncan* 24.28

[OhayoKD]

You have just shown defense is overrated .

Is it?

Hakeem is one of a handful of players(post-russell, we're talking Lebron, Kareem, Robinson) to post 25+-win lift multiple times. Worth noting that this is around where RAPM tends to distribute superstar impact to role players. His peak signals are arguably era-best.

Of course, a common knock on Hakeem is his consistency as an RS performer, but even over longer periods, he looks quite good. IIRC, if you use 10-year samples...

Hakeem takes 33-win teams to 48 wins
Jordan takes 38-win teams to 53.5 wins
Magic takes 44-win teams to 59 wins

Keeping in mind that it's harder to lift better teams, Hakeem comes marginally behind Jordan, and slightly more behind Magic, but he's right up there with both.

Ben has his own(presumably more sophisticated) approach which likes Hakeem even better; "Prime WOWY" ranks Olajuwon 10th. Magic and Jordan rank 12th and 20th, respectively. Keep in mind the samples here are much, much smaller, but at least there aren't extraneous distortions to worry about as we may with something like WOWYR

Remind me again who won the most championships?

You know there must be some serious problems in rapm when Embiid, KG, and CP3 take 3 of top 4, with Manu, Green, and Tatum making the historic top 10. On the other hand, highest PER in playoffs history gives you much better selections of true champions if you can pardon AD there. 9 combined Finals MVP selection from top 10 rapm vs. 19, without counting Mikan's.

1. Nikola Jokić 29.02
2. Michael Jordan* 28.60
3. George Mikan* 28.51
4. LeBron James 27.94
5. Anthony Davis 26.56
6. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.13
7. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
8. Giannis Antetokounmpo 25.59
9. Kawhi Leonard 24.29
10. Tim Duncan* 24.28

Statistic which has data for players from the 69 onward has more top players than statistic that has been around since 1997. Crazy.

As is, relying on the votes of people who relied heavily on the box-sore to justify relying heavily on the box-score is a bit circular no?