Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[ShulaDon92]

An S&T would hard cap Miami taking away its flexibility for even minimal moves during the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

The restrictions are severe.

A team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.

If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the Apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc2. A team that is hard-capped can utilize Summer Contracts (see question number 70) to sign players for training camp, but must waive them in time to clear waivers before the start of the regular season, if necessary to stay below the hard cap. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the Apron.

I am not in favor of signing Kyrie Irving under any circumstances, though.

Also, it's outrageous to see proposals of Herro and half a dozen picks for Lillard. Do you think he is Kevin Durant? You guys are nuts.

I've been shaking my head at all those 3 first round picks and 3 pick swap + Herro + Duncan and whatever else. I'd rather keep Herro if that is the price tbh Heat aren't the timbewolves.

I don't mind Herro but his shot selection is not what we need and his defense is very suspect. I can move on from him. Dudes a shot maker though, no doubts. He's just not an ideal fit in our system.

-SHULA

[gom]

Josh Richardson would be an interesting look for the MLE if we were to trade Herro

It’s around what he’s going to cost, he’s only 29 and still playing good basketball. We know he can defend, and he shots the 3 decently well. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back to Miami

Justice Winslow will be available for the vet minimum and could be out of the league. Only 27 years old. He is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing Miami take a chance on, and see if he can stay healthy

Lastly Rodney Mcgruder will be a vet minimum player been shooting over 40% from 3 for a minute.

I think if we can get a star you fill out the roster with a big and guys who can play in our system and have had success in it

We gave Winslow years to get with the system and had to send him away. I'm in no hurry to bring him back, and I own his jersey.

[ShulaDon92]

Josh Richardson would be an interesting look for the MLE if we were to trade Herro

It’s around what he’s going to cost, he’s only 29 and still playing good basketball. We know he can defend, and he shots the 3 decently well. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back to Miami

Justice Winslow will be available for the vet minimum and could be out of the league. Only 27 years old. He is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing Miami take a chance on, and see if he can stay healthy

Lastly Rodney Mcgruder will be a vet minimum player been shooting over 40% from 3 for a minute.

I think if we can get a star you fill out the roster with a big and guys who can play in our system and have had success in it

We gave Winslow years to get with the system and had to send him away. I'm in no hurry to bring him back, and I own his jersey.

Some people love going back to their exes.

-SHULA

[gom]

Josh Richardson would be an interesting look for the MLE if we were to trade Herro

It’s around what he’s going to cost, he’s only 29 and still playing good basketball. We know he can defend, and he shots the 3 decently well. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back to Miami

Justice Winslow will be available for the vet minimum and could be out of the league. Only 27 years old. He is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing Miami take a chance on, and see if he can stay healthy

Lastly Rodney Mcgruder will be a vet minimum player been shooting over 40% from 3 for a minute.

I think if we can get a star you fill out the roster with a big and guys who can play in our system and have had success in it

We gave Winslow years to get with the system and had to send him away. I'm in no hurry to bring him back, and I own his jersey.

Some people love going back to their exes.

-SHULA

And it almost never works out.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bruh there's a total of 3 players in the league that averaged 25 with 8 assists - Trae, Luka, and Ja (plus Jokic if you count his 24.5). Might need to lower the standards a bit lol.

Don’t worry, Dame might only average 7.3 assists but I’ll let it slide since he averages 32 points

With jimmy on the team hed avg around 18-23 ppg tops

-SHULA

Not a chance lol Jimmy is going to shoot 12 shots a night as he gives 50% effort all regular season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wouldn’t mind bringing back JRich at all

[dean456]

I think ultimately the price for Dame going to be pretty high.

- He just came off arguably the best season of his career.
- He is signed for another 4yrs w/PO (KD was signed for 3.5 more years when PHX traded for him).
- Lillard also 2yrs younger than KD.

PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and 4FRPs, a 2028 FRP swap and two 2nd rounders for KD and TJ Warren.

KD career stats - 27.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 4.3apg, 1.1spg, 1.1bpg, 49FG%, 39%3PT
Lillard career stats - 25.2ppg, 6.7apg, 4.2rpg, 1spg, 0.3bpg, 44FG%, 37%3PT

Now there's obviously a difference defensively. Lillard is not KD but he is not far off. Miami going to have to give up quite a lot to get him.

If you had the choice right now between Bridges and Herro, most teams probably taking Bridges.

I think Miami going to have to at least give up Herro, 2023, 2028, 2030 FRPs and 2027 or 2029 FRP swap.

I'm sorry but this is completely wrong. Almost sig worthy.

What's completely wrong about it? I said there's a clear difference defensively and recognized that there's a difference offensively but that I don't think its crazy wide.

Both KD and Lillard two of the most potent offensive players at their respective positions. KD the best offensive SF and Lillard probably top 2 offensive PG in the league.

Also we are competing with a team that has 8 tradeable FRPs. We are not going to be able to play hard ball with Portland.

What do you think Lillard is worth?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

[Spacely]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Some heat fans would rather continue to lose in the finals I guess

[ShulaDon92]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Even Wade went from 30 to 22 when we got LeBron.
And thats a goat. There's only one ball.

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Some heat fans would rather continue to lose in the finals I guess

Oh so now disrespecting Lowry is cool? Ok. Not sure how your trolling is winning any arguments

Get a real job

-SHULA

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Even Wade went from 30 to 22 when we got LeBron.
And thats a goat. There's only one ball.

-SHULA

Wade went from 27 to 26 the first season with LeBron then down to 22 when his knees gave up on him lol. Dame will be the 1st scoring option on the team, he might not average 32 but to say he’s going to drop to 22-23 or whatever you said is wrong

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Some heat fans would rather continue to lose in the finals I guess

Oh so now disrespecting Lowry is cool? Ok. Not sure how your trolling is winning any arguments

Get a real job

-SHULA

Shut up

[dean456]

I think ultimately the price for Dame going to be pretty high.

- He just came off arguably the best season of his career.
- He is signed for another 4yrs w/PO (KD was signed for 3.5 more years when PHX traded for him).
- Lillard also 2yrs younger than KD.

PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and 4FRPs, a 2028 FRP swap and two 2nd rounders for KD and TJ Warren.

KD career stats - 27.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 4.3apg, 1.1spg, 1.1bpg, 49FG%, 39%3PT
Lillard career stats - 25.2ppg, 6.7apg, 4.2rpg, 1spg, 0.3bpg, 44FG%, 37%3PT

Now there's obviously a difference defensively. Lillard is not KD but he is not far off. Miami going to have to give up quite a lot to get him.

If you had the choice right now between Bridges and Herro, most teams probably taking Bridges.

I think Miami going to have to at least give up Herro, 2023, 2028, 2030 FRPs and 2027 or 2029 FRP swap.

I'm sorry but this is completely wrong. Almost sig worthy.

How can you justify sending so many picks for this privilege?



Portland would be delighted to send Lillard out after signing that extension. That's twice as much as we're paying our current 37 yo point guard. Wouldn't you rather be smarter with our assets?

I'd prefer to win. If it cost's us paying that much for a declining Lillard in his final 2yrs then so be it.

The salary cap is projected to be 155mil with a 187mil luxury tax line in Lillard's final year earning 63mil. Jimmy is expiring in 2yrs and Bam expires in 3yrs. Worrying about cap implications 4yrs from now is a pointless exercise.

If this team wants to win they going to have to pay for the talent to do so one way or another.

[ShulaDon92]

Some heat fans would rather continue to lose in the finals I guess

Oh so now disrespecting Lowry is cool? Ok. Not sure how your trolling is winning any arguments

Get a real job

-SHULA

Shut up

-s

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine adding Lillard to a roster that’s fresh off the finals without sending out any of the players who were in the rotation on that finals team

[ShulaDon92]

Y’all think Lillard is Lowry or something lol? He was the best PG in the league this season and is a top 10 player who’s game will age very well

Even Wade went from 30 to 22 when we got LeBron.
And thats a goat. There's only one ball.

-SHULA

Wade went from 27 to 26 the first season with LeBron then down to 22 when his knees gave up on him lol. Dame will be the 1st scoring option on the team, he might not average 32 but to say he’s going to drop to 22-23 or whatever you said is wrong

Ok, let's get Dame. Im not against it. It's just not a sure bet in my eyes and I'm not sure we can even fit him in the cap.

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

Imagine adding Lillard to a roster that’s fresh off the finals without sending out any of the players who were in the rotation on that finals team

Its a nice dream. So is Martian real estate.

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

Dame don't care about us, he just wants to collect fat checks and live the easy life on the beach when he retires.

Love to see it.

-SHULA

[dean456]

An S&T would hard cap Miami taking away its flexibility for even minimal moves during the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

The restrictions are severe.

A team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.

If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the Apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc2. A team that is hard-capped can utilize Summer Contracts (see question number 70) to sign players for training camp, but must waive them in time to clear waivers before the start of the regular season, if necessary to stay below the hard cap. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the Apron.

I am not in favor of signing Kyrie Irving under any circumstances, though.

Also, it's outrageous to see proposals of Herro and half a dozen picks for Lillard. Do you think he is Kevin Durant? You guys are nuts.

I've been shaking my head at all those 3 first round picks and 3 pick swap + Herro + Duncan and whatever else. I'd rather keep Herro if that is the price tbh Heat aren't the timbewolves.

And Lillard isn't Rudy Gobert...

Timberwolves traded Malik Beasley, Pat Bev, Jarred Vanderbilt, Walker Kessler (#22 pick), 4FRPs and a FRP swap for Rudy Gobert.

Miami trading Herro, filler, 3FRP's and a FRP swap for Lillard is no where near as bad as that trade.