Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Papi_swav]

Idk if he even has a ton more room for growth tbh, but if he’s a bigger Joe Harris, why is this being touted as some type of negative?

Unless we’re talking Joe’s playoff falloff’s, and if we’re looking at all we have to look at with Cam, he increased his output and efficiency in the PO’s, albeit again, only a 4 game sample.

Before the long string of injuries, Joe Harris was a deadly low usage 4th best player type, if we’re saying Cam is a bigger, younger, more athletic Joey Buckets, this is a good thing for sure.

@ Paradise, he doesn't have much room to grow, he is who he is. He is an elite shooter with good size which has value ( which I've said several times but you choose to ignore that part) but he will be soon overpaid. And for the Nets being entitled and ungrateful, you must be living under a rock or not know fans from other teams especially Lakers and Celtics, what a clown statement. But you're over here trying to slight me and throw shade as if I'm entitled for saying the truth and having facts to my argument but you want to go off what ifs. We already have a guy who's 2 times better than him like I said that money will be used better elsewhere to fit the team better but you rather talk ishh because your a stan of his and for him being "our Michael Porter Jr." honestly we don't need one of those. We need a Jamal Murray type of player. MPJ can disappear in games as we've seen

@vince, I already stated previously that I'm not trying to make him a bad player and stated him being a bigger Joe Harris as having value. But we can use his about to be overpaid contract on other players that will fit the roster better.

I’d be fine with Cam J being S&T’ed for a solid return, whether a player or picks.

Also fine if he’s re-signed with the intentions of trading him in the future for value.

What I’m not going to be cool with, is if he’s given away for free like Dinwiddie was.

Cam J is not a retain at all costs type of player. But he is a player with great on court value in today’s NBA. You shouldn’t let that type of player at his age walk for free.

And I do wonder how it will affect Mikal if he’s dealt.

lol bro nobody in their right mind is saying to let CamJ just walk. I've been said we should sign and trade him for some value. Whether it's a nice pick in the draft or another player(s) that fits us better. I've only been saying he has alot of value in todays NBA being a tall guy that can shoot well. I think other teams will over value him and over pay him alot which is why we should capitalize on teams like that and get the best value we can via S&T

[Eatgreenz]

Offseason going to be interesting for sure

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[vincecarter4pres]

Offseason going to be interesting for sure

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He fits the timeline for real. Question his heart though.

Man him and Bridges and Lillard though, I could get behind that if that’s how they chose to blow the assets.

Dame is so old though, scares me. Like a 2 year run again smh.

[ChuckS]

lol bro nobody in their right mind is saying to let CamJ just walk. I've been said we should sign and trade him for some value. Whether it's a nice pick in the draft or another player(s) that fits us better. I've only been saying he has alot of value in todays NBA being a tall guy that can shoot well. I think other teams will over value him and over pay him alot which is why we should capitalize on teams like that and get the best value we can via S&T

I agree if we have to pay more than we believe is his value, and we can do better by trading him.

On the other hand, if we can sign him for an appropriate amount, I would like to keep him as a three (because of his frame/weight and I think requisite skills). I also believe that even with him we could be in more dire need of a "tall guy that can shoot well" than any NBA team in history. So I would also prefer to add a big four who could complement Nic with some combination of bulk, rebounding and scoring. I've pretty much given up hope for Siakam or Grant, but KAT (as has been mentioned) might be a possibility. If not I'm hoping Marks can find someone a level below who might fit in the larger trade exemption to keep us below the luxury tax. We also have $13.5 million expiring that might help offset the cost of the difference in CJ's increase and our new picks, along with the new CBA increase in the tax ceiling.

As an aside, I like, and would like to keep, DFS and Royce who would give us a strong and versatile bench. I realize one might be needed to trade for a greater need. I just hope it is not for just another future pick, which, IMO, we do not need now when it is more important not to fall too much in the standings while we do not control our own current picks.

[Eatgreenz]

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[JKiddy]

Ding Ding Ding

[vincecarter4pres]

Is it worth it to swap Dinwiddie and say the 21/22 for Murray?

Idk to be completely honest. They’re actually pretty similar overall players, but I’d argue Dinwiddie is the better have.

Cheaper, better at getting in the lane and drawing fouls, better shooter, more efficient, maybe better overall at running an offense, adapts better to a secondary role.

Murray is younger, better defender by a little, but will be wildly more expensive next summer, bigger flight risk, inefficient scorer, needs high usage to be effective, doesn’t get to the line and will cost additional assets to swap.

[Keith Van Horn]

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[Riconet]

Just getting caught up here. My 2 cents:

- Not interested at all in KAT or Trae.

- I agree that CamJ is going to be somewhat overpaid in his next contract, but I would only trade him as part of a package for a true star -- i.e. I woudn't just unload him for draft picks.

- I'm coming around to the idea of trading for Lillard (who was THIRD in scoring this year!), but only if we can dump Simmons in the deal -- i.e. something like Simmons, CamJ and 4 first-rounders.

[Tha King]

I now think if the 3rd pick is available for Bridges you do it.

Certainly the pick could turn bust but you'd also be adding a starting caliber player (Simons) alongside that pick which somewhat mitigates things and could make the team actually stronger even in the short run depending on how good the draft pick is.

What is the alternative? Trade picks for Dame to compete for a 4/5 seed the next couple years before the decline? Otherwise, this is a roster staring at being another version of the Wizards right in the face. I don't think FA the next couple years would be a game changer you plan for either because the elite players (Giannis, Tatum) are very unlikely and the one's you could 'possibly, maybe' have a chance on are not lead best players on a contender that you wait on like KD (i.e. Mitchell).

[vincecarter4pres]

I now think if the 3rd pick is available for Bridges you do it.

Certainly the pick could turn bust but you'd also be adding a starting caliber player (Simons) alongside that pick which somewhat mitigates things and could make the team actually stronger even in the short run depending on how good the draft pick is.

What is the alternative? Trade picks for Dame to compete for a 4/5 seed the next couple years before the decline? Otherwise, this is a roster staring at being another version of the Wizards right in the face. I don't think FA the next couple years would be a game changer you plan for either because the elite players (Giannis, Tatum) are very unlikely and the one's you could 'possibly, maybe' have a chance on are not lead best players on a contender that you wait on like KD (i.e. Mitchell).

I’m not up on my draft scouting anymore, but I’d only do it if Scoot is still there and Simons is rerouted for an additional lotto pick or future a 1st(s) with a realistic possibility of being at least middle of the first round.

I see bust written all over Miller. Maybe not full on Wesley Johnson bust, but can definitely see a guy who puts up some empty, middling, non-efficient stats on losing teams, winds up an overpriced contract on his first extension and eventually is an OK 5th starter.

And even if there’s a franchise cornerstone in this draft elsewhere, there’s no one worthy of taking a shot on at 3 if that’s the main asset coming back for a player of Bridges ilk, contract, age, etc.

I am not a fan of bringing Lillard here if it takes most, if not all the premium picks we possess. With that said, there are other ways to build the team and worst case we’re a play in team in all likelihood if we mainly stand pat for a summer.

The only options do not have to be nuclear. There is a wait and see middle ground approach.

[Papi_swav]

Yea I'm torn here.. Do we swing for the fences and acquire Dame and KAT or do we stay patient and ride the course. I would like to do a real rebuild this time in my opinion. It seems like the Hornets are taking Miller for the #2 so if we can get Scoop at 3, which everybody seems set that he's going to be the next best thing at point, then I think we should go for that.

I definitely do not want Trae or Murray at all. KAT i kinda don't want but he does bring things that will help us. He can play the center while Claxton plays the 4 and vice versa. Clax can be the defender while KAT stretches the floor and is a better rebounder, but he hasn't proven he's a winner.

Dame/ 2 guard/ Bridges/ Claxton/ KAT seems like a really nice starting lineup.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yea I'm torn here.. Do we swing for the fences and acquire Dame and KAT or do we stay patient and ride the course. I would like to do a real rebuild this time in my opinion. It seems like the Hornets are taking Miller for the #2 so if we can get Scoop at 3, which everybody seems set that he's going to be the next best thing at point, then I think we should go for that.

I definitely do not want Trae or Murray at all. KAT i kinda don't want but he does bring things that will help us. He can play the center while Claxton plays the 4 and vice versa. Clax can be the defender while KAT stretches the floor and is a better rebounder, but he hasn't proven he's a winner.

Dame/ 2 guard/ Bridges/ Claxton/ KAT seems like a really nice starting lineup.

Not to nitpick, but imho in this scenario Bridges plays the 2 and whose left of DFS/O’Neale play the 3.

[GTR11]

The 2029 pick is super valuable. DFS can net you a 1st or 2 firsts possibly. Spencer can likely get you a 1st as well. Plus, Spencer and DFS can contribute more than Herro alone. Herro also cannot play defense. This is why Miami was able to do very well without him when they were hitting shots.

1. This part will be discussed soon come FA. They also have Robinson who is overpaid too. I really wonder what Pat thinking.
2. Blazers will try to escalate bidding war for Dame. Hope Marks will trick Pat Riley again into overpaying ala Tyler Johnson. I can see something like ->

Miami send: Herro, Lowry, Jovic with 2023-27-29
Miami get: Dame, Nurkic and Winslow

Nix duh Ping Pong boys also been in trade rumors:

Nix send: Obi, RJ, Rose and Fournier with 2024( Det ) - 2024 ( Mavs or Nix ) - 2025 - 2027
Nix get: Dame and Nurkic

Well and of course our package
BK send: Dinwiddie, Harris, Royce and CamT with 2023PHX-2025BK/Hou-2027PHI top8 protected.
BK get: Dame and Nurkic.

We will be around 155m with CamJ being RFA. Pretty much why I can't see Marks going after Dame. Than again, if Houston will come and throw 4y 100m at CamJ... yeah that's when and where we have to start thinking real hard. Din and Joe will have to go ASAP.

[Netaman]

i have no idea what's going to happen but i think the next few weeks are going to be bonkers league wide.

a lot of big names and high picks available, which ones move who knows but im glad we have marks. i think he'll get someone exciting whether it's a rookie or veteran.

[CalamityX12]

If anything we're a great warm up spot for eventually champions

Livingston
Dudley
Lopez!!!!!!!
Bruce
Jeff
Even Jordan
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[Keith Van Horn]

If miami is going to overpay for Dame then by all means they can. I still think the Nets should make an attempt and at least call their bluff on a big offer.

But I think the most I'd go is DFS, Joe, Cam T, 23 pick, 25 Suns pick. And of course if they'd take Simmons then go for it.

Other than that, Marks can big game hunt elsewhere. Maybe sign FVV and Cam J, then make a trade for Siakam.

[JKiddy]

I think we are going to make a smaller move. We likely move off Harris and or Mills. I see us giving up a pick or two and moving off of either DFS or Royce. I predict we keep Royce and trade DFS and Dinwiddie with a pick for an upgrade at one of our positions of need. The Dame talk is big. It might happen. But, I feel like we are going to save the big picks for a deal for a Luka level player in 2 seasons.

[Tha King]

I know we're thinking big time moves but thoughts on Thomas Bryant or Bamba as possible offseason additions? Neither has been consistent or done much so far but sometimes it takes bigs a bit of time to become contributors. Both (especially Bamba) could play with Claxton too and wouldn't take much to get.

Another one would be Christian Wood. If he's willing to come in for the mini MLE he could provide some needed scoring and could start at center moving Claxton to a more roaming rim protecting forward role which fits him better. I know there are concerns about his personality and how he fits in with teams but that would also be the reason a talented big like him could be available for the mMLE.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think we are going to make a smaller move. We likely move off Harris and or Mills. I see us giving up a pick or two and moving off of either DFS or Royce. I predict we keep Royce and trade DFS and Dinwiddie with a pick for an upgrade at one of our positions of need. The Dame talk is big. It might happen. But, I feel like we are going to save the big picks for a deal for a Luka level player in 2 seasons.

Yeah, I still think the most likely scenario is DFS and one of both of the picks to move up somewhere between 10-15, or those picks, DFS and maybe Cam T with salary filler for a starting level player at the 1 or 4.

Dame will likely windup staying in PDX or on Miami.

Beal will probably go to a more desperate, but further along playoff team for pennies on the dollar.

KAT is certainly a possibility, but as you alluded to, I think Marks is thinking bigger and if KAT still looks soft in a Nets uni, he does nothing to attract another better player to demand BK or sign outright in a couple years and if the new CBA is like the current one, Simmons would have to be outgoing because of no 2 traded for supermaxes.

Brown isn’t super likely imho. And another flight risk.

Trae Young is probably staying put, they aren’t likely to move him unless someone offered the farm right now.

Lavine is possible, but then you force Bridges back to the 3 and stunt his growth for another player who isn’t good enough to warrant that.

I don’t think they’re going to take a shot on Jordan Poole given his contract and GSW will want more than they should anyway.

Ja?! Only reason he would be available even for all the picks and anything not tied down besides Bridges, is if he’s got one foot into a lifetime ban grave and can’t be trusted, which is a distinct possibility, which means he’s radioactive.


There will be out of nowhere big names imho, this off-season is going to be straight up melee. So maybe something else will materialize.

Toronto’s asking price on OG will probably be too high and Siakim is an older flight risk.

FVV S&T very possible though. But in division with a heated rival and a GM who hates us, less likely unless we overpaid in assets.

An under the radar move could happen though, but I’m struggling to come up with it. Maybe Porzingis? But again, I think we steer clear of a lot of long term salary, especially for an injury prone center.

Gary Trent Jr S&T? But for who? And at the cost of losing Cam J?



This doesn’t seem like our summer for the big splash. I kind of hope it isn’t. I just want to see them move up into the early to mid teens and hopefully grab a true building block player, no matter the position they play and hopefully we at least make the play-in and don’t gift Houston a great pick.