Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Personally would rather pass on Beal. The no trade clause might help in acquiring him for cheap but you are basically banking on him being the piece that fixes everything and he just hasn't given me the sense that he can be that for the HEAT.

If Schwartz is working with the intentions in helping his client get to Miami I doubt he's also trying to facilitate Beal coming in and taking his other client Herro's job in Miami. It's going to be Beal or Porzingis not both coming here. Just too much salary now and in the future for Arison to stomach. Considering the dynamics surrounding Porzingis and him wanting to be in Miami previously. I say we are the leaders in the club house for his services.

You might be right but couldn’t the move to Washington also help Herro on some ways? He can shoot all he wants and try to fight for an all star spot every year and maybe get more recognition from the nba world as a whole. We know the casual fan loves empty box score statistics and as high of PPG as possible so it might help his overall image.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I haven’t looked into the contracts, any way we could bring in Monte Morris at PG in the Wizards scenario? Have always liked his game

[greg4012]

Personally would rather pass on Beal. The no trade clause might help in acquiring him for cheap but you are basically banking on him being the piece that fixes everything and he just hasn't given me the sense that he can be that for the HEAT.

If Schwartz is working with the intentions in helping his client get to Miami I doubt he's also trying to facilitate Beal coming in and taking his other client Herro's job in Miami. It's going to be Beal or Porzingis not both coming here. Just too much salary now and in the future for Arison to stomach. Considering the dynamics surrounding Porzingis and him wanting to be in Miami previously. I say we are the leaders in the club house for his services.

Beal hasn't played more than 60 games in a regular season since 2018. If the move for Beal is made then you are basically banking on that being the move that tips the scales to win a title. Beal would also still have his NTC leverage so it's just very risky in my eyes.

Maybe Beal coming to Miami re-energizes him back into an elite efficient three level scorer that can stay healthy but that contract and the no-trade risks gives me pause.

In theory, the beauty of trading for Beal is that it wouldn't break the bank in terms of future assets like most other options would (for the exact reasons stated). And he actually never stopped being an efficient 3-level scorer. He just started sharing more of the offensive load with guys who can't contribute on the floor without looking for their own offense (Kuzma and KP)--Kuzma actually narrowly led the team in FGA

Beal has some warts. But, if you don't think swapping Beal into our starting lineup for this playoff run instead of Strus would've made a massive difference, then IDK what to tell you

[DayofMourning]

Miami was on KPs list when traded from the Knicks

I love the idea of Porzingis next to Bam. Just love it. History says I should be scared as hell though....

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If any of you listened to the min-pod after game 5 from Zach Lowe with Brian Windhorst, Windhorst said...

1. Miami will go hunting for a star.
2. There are player's Miami is currently keeping an eye on.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO ME...
3. Miami has a little window BEFORE the new CBA kicks in (July 1st) and mentions specifically before the 2nd apron kicks in.
4. After the draft they can move their 2030 pick.
5. Other teams are also looking at this/these players and could have better overall offers.
6. If the player says send me to Miami, Miami's not in the worst position and previously mentioned Miami has the ability to make the trade.

I think Windhorst is talking about both Beal and Dame with both teams at a crossroads of should they just rebuild or continue to build with their star.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Miami was on KPs list when traded from the Knicks

I love the idea of Porzingis next to Bam. Just love it. History says I should be scared as hell though....

Injury is always a major concern with him, and apparently also Beal to go on top of Jimmy always missing a big chunk of time too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Please lord

[greg4012]

If any of you listened to the min-pod after game 5 from Zach Lowe with Brian Windhorst, Windhorst said...
1. Miami will go hunting for a star.
2. There are player's they're keeping an eye on.
3. Miami has the ability to do it, especially if a player says send me to Miami.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO ME...
4. Miami has a little window BEFORE the new CBA kicks in (July 1st) and mentions specifically before the 2nd apron kicks in.
5. After the draft they can move their 2030 pick.
6. Other teams are also looking at this/these players and could have better overall offers.
7. If the player says send me to Miami, Miami's not in the worst position.

I think Windhorst is talking about both Beal and Dame with both teams at a crossroads of should they just rebuild or continue to build with their star.

You just know Boston and Brooklyn are waiting in the wings to try to play spoiler

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ve been wanting Dame/Grant or Beal/KP in these scenarios but maybe the correct answer is Dame/KP

[jaseda510]

We should go after either a pairing of Dame + Nurkic or Beal + KP.

Herro, Lowry, Duncan, Vic, + cap fillers and FRPs

[jaseda510]

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Please lord

If Portland keeps the #3 pick our chances for Dame will get a whole lot better. I'm super worried they'll trade it for Ingram or Siakam

[MettaWorldPanda]

I haven’t looked into the contracts, any way we could bring in Monte Morris at PG in the Wizards scenario? Have always liked his game

Maybe if they help us out with taking Duncan's salary but would have to compensate with more picks.

[AirP.]

If any of you listened to the min-pod after game 5 from Zach Lowe with Brian Windhorst, Windhorst said...
1. Miami will go hunting for a star.
2. There are player's they're keeping an eye on.
3. Miami has the ability to do it, especially if a player says send me to Miami.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO ME...
4. Miami has a little window BEFORE the new CBA kicks in (July 1st) and mentions specifically before the 2nd apron kicks in.
5. After the draft they can move their 2030 pick.
6. Other teams are also looking at this/these players and could have better overall offers.
7. If the player says send me to Miami, Miami's not in the worst position.

I think Windhorst is talking about both Beal and Dame with both teams at a crossroads of should they just rebuild or continue to build with their star.

You just know Boston and Brooklyn are waiting in the wings to try to play spoiler

Beal has a strong relationship with Tatum, so I'm sure that's one of the few places he'd be ok dropping the NTC with.

Dame... sounded like he wants to be in Miami but doesn't have a no trade clause. If he's not sent where he wants to go he could make it rough on the franchise by saying he didn't want out, could cause some issues, especially if the rebuild doesn't work well.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One thing I know about Brian Windhorst and Zach Lowe is they know nothing about what the Heat are going to do but love to bring them up on every possibility. Happens every single year. My top dog in trade possibilities in the club house is Porzingis once he opts in into his contract because of the feasibility, price of getting him, fit, and close ties to his agent. Would also put trading the 18th pick right up there with trying to get a future 2025 to unlock 4 1st rounders giving us ample trade flexibility. The Porzingis deal wouldn't take place until he opts in which means closer to the free agent signing period. Same goes for us making moves once Oladipo has opted in.

[dean456]

Porzingis is a free agent so if he opted out there are little options for Washington so he'd basically be saying trade me to X team for what they will offer otherwise I'm opting out and playing elsewhere. Washington would essentially have to take what they can get at that point but Miami would have to give up something because we wouldn't be able to get him without trading with Washington.

So this will likely cost us our 2023 pick.

But if you can come away from the offseason with Porzingis for Lowry, Martin and #18 that's pretty damn good.

Gabe
Herro
Butler
KP
Bam

Would be a solid starting 5.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Reverse the order (if in order) and I agree with this. All are potentially available this summer. I want no holes in this roster next season. No excuses for the players, coaching staff, or FO next year barring some unfortunate injury luck

1. Backup 5 is the easiest position to fill in the league. Hell, Orlando Robinson could get done. There will be other options avaiable for the vet min.

2. Starting 4 is trickier, If Jovic and Highsmith aren't enough (they might be borderline good enough) Germey Grant would be almost ideal. Which leads me to the third point :

3. a three level scorer is hardest thing to find in the league, that type of player is the one we should go all in for.
Gut the roster if needed, send the picks. The only must are Jimmy, Bam, a capable 4, and the new added 3 level scorer. the Heat have proven capable of filling everything around with our development program and coaching.

Ideally (If we can keep Martin) :

Lilard/Boyea/Vet Min
Martin/Highsmith/Vet Min
Jimmy/Cain/Vet Min
Grant/Jovic/Love
Bam/O.Robinson/Yurt/Vet min

[AirP.]

One thing I know about Brian Windhorst and Zach Lowe is they know nothing about what the Heat are going to do but love to bring them up on every possibility. Happens every single year. My top dog in trade possibilities in the club house is Porzingis once he opts in into his contract because of the feasibility, price of getting him, fit, and close ties to his agent. Would also put trading the 18th pick right up there with trying to get a future 2025 to unlock 4 1st rounders giving us ample trade flexibility. The Porzingis deal wouldn't take place until he opts in which means closer to the free agent signing period. Same goes for us making moves once Oladipo has opted in.

But the info they gave could be gathered by looking at the situation and by the other GMs they've talked to who have said Miami checked in or had checked in somewhat recently.

Why wouldn't Miami make a Porzingis trade then extend him themselves? It doesn't have to be a sign and trade, it can be a trade and then extend.

Once again, most things ever talked about never happen, it doesn't mean they weren't talked about or near happening. Just take the data in that makes sense and try to figure out what a team is thinking.

Herro is interesting, the only reals reason Miami extends him early is that either they really like him or to be able to trade him without his OK, had they not extended him last offseason he'd have to OK a S&T which would have limited Miami's options.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Porzingis is a free agent so if he opted out there are little options for Washington so he'd basically be saying trade me to X team for what they will offer otherwise I'm opting out and playing elsewhere. Washington would essentially have to take what they can get at that point but Miami would have to give up something because we wouldn't be able to get him without trading with Washington.

So this will likely cost us our 2023 pick.

But if you can come away from the offseason with Porzingis for Lowry, Martin and #18 that's pretty damn good.

Gabe
Herro
Butler
KP
Bam

Would be a solid starting 5.

Swap out Martin for Duncan. We don't have to give up Martin in this deal. I'd rather compensate them with an extra pick if needed and bring back a PG either Wright or Morris.

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A trade for Beal/Porzingis would basically require all of Miami's decent sized tradeable contracts (outside of Caleb/Jovic)