Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[CelticsPride18]

Brogs/Grant/PP/Muscala/Gallo/Picks for Beal

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brown for Simons/3, flip 3/Smart/Brogdon for Ingram and Dyson Daniels… lot of ways to come out ahead..

[reload141]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

[leper-con]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Can you share a list of possible names they are interested in?

[shackles10]

Ultimately I think this is where I land;

A. Trading Jaylen now ? Bad idea. Will get less value because of expiring. Better to trade him next year or year after.

B. If we let grant walk; we need another 4-5.

C.a minor move won’t make a big difference and I don’t super care about it. Hard to get in our top 8 without sending out significant assets.

D. If we trade brogdon or another core rotation piece; we should send out 2-4 picks with it and really try to land someone significant

Seems to be the most reasonable plan even if it's not exciting. Especially on "D" I think we'd be looking to acquire someone who doesn't make a ton of money but is significant as you said. Only way to do that is give up picks if they're a bargain-like salary. Now the trick is who is available that fits into that category?

[Tyakack]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

I came here to post about the possibility of getting beal because I just saw the news and this is the first post I see..

[Celts17Pride]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Can you share a list of possible names they are interested in?

Apparently Simons from Portland for Brown, Smart, 4 1st round picks and 3 1st round pick swaps.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Good they should not be. The guy has missed 101 game over the past 4 seasons. Go luck to any team that wants to pay that much to a part time player.

I am not a JB fan but I would rather have him than Beal.

[BleedGreen1989]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Yeahhh, Brown, Beal, Tatum sounds kind of fun but Celtics would quickly have nightmarish luxury tax issues.

[Hal14]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Good they should not be. The guy has missed 121 game over the past 4 seasons. Go luck to any team that wants to pay that much to a part time player.

I am not a JB fan but I would rather have him than Beal.

2 of the past 4 seasons, there was only 72 games in the season - not 82.

Plus, a lot of the games Beal did miss, it was just because of COVID protocols, not injury. The wizards also held him out of a bunch of games because they were tanking.

The only surgery Beal has had was on his wrist, so nothing too serious. And JB also had wrist surgery recently..

Brown is very injury prone too.

[Celts17Pride]

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LOL!! If they decide to rebuild? They are actually thinking of keeping a 35 win team together?

Beal will be playing for a new team next season.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Good they should not be. The guy has missed 121 game over the past 4 seasons. Go luck to any team that wants to pay that much to a part time player.

I am not a JB fan but I would rather have him than Beal.

2 of the past 4 seasons, there was only 72 games in the season - not 82.

Plus, a lot of the games Beal did miss, it was just because of COVID protocols, not injury. The wizards also held him out of a bunch of games because they were tanking.

The only surgery Beal has had was on his wrist, so nothing too serious. And JB also had wrist surgery recently..

Good point i forget about the 72 games. So he has missed 101 games. Regardless Beal has only played 82 games twice in his career and if you look at his career as a whole he has historically missed a ton of games.

I don't see how moving Brown for Beal as the centerpiece of a trade makes Boston better.

[bisme37]

Solid convo about Beal on ESPN. Basically they say Beal is a very good impact player but it will be hard to find a suitor because of his contract. Both the dollar amount and no-trade clause. The no-trade clause goes with him to the new team and he has a player option for $57M (!!) in 27/28 when he'll be past his prime.

Perk of course wants a JB for Beal trade since his latest schtick is the Jays need to be broken up. But Windhorst says the C's want to get the JB deal done and aren't especially interested in Beal.

Watch on YouTube

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

They're too busy...

Watch on YouTube

[165bows]

Good they should not be. The guy has missed 121 game over the past 4 seasons. Go luck to any team that wants to pay that much to a part time player.

I am not a JB fan but I would rather have him than Beal.

2 of the past 4 seasons, there was only 72 games in the season - not 82.

Plus, a lot of the games Beal did miss, it was just because of COVID protocols, not injury. The wizards also held him out of a bunch of games because they were tanking.

The only surgery Beal has had was on his wrist, so nothing too serious. And JB also had wrist surgery recently..

Good point i forget about the 72 games. So he has missed 101 games. Regardless Beal has only played 82 games twice in his career and if you look at his career as a whole he has historically missed a ton of games.

I don't see how moving Brown for Beal as the centerpiece of a trade makes Boston better.

Yeah it only makes sense if they can get Beal for super cheap and make a huge *** haul for Brown.

I’d assume WAS waits a week until they see what Porzingis does.

[Hal14]

Smart move by the hornets leaking this.

If you want Scoot, you better be prepared to offer a LOT. Like a Tatum type of offer, which obviously isn't gonna happen but hey, if they can somehow score a deal like that, they mine as well try haha.

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[Curmudgeon]

Put me down for Brown and Brogdon to Washington for Beal and Demi Avdija. Keep Tatum happy by getting Beal and a good young PF.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Jay King in today's Athletic (Cr: DeJesus)

The Celtics will not trade Jaylen Brown
Brown did not have a good series against the Heat. He recognized how poorly he played during the Game 7 loss to Miami. He needs to stem the turnover issues that have popped up consistently deep in the playoffs. He needs to avoid the tunnel vision that occasionally takes him captive. Given the restrictions of the new collective bargaining agreement and the way the last couple of seasons have ended, it’s fair to question whether the Celtics will ever be able to win a championship with Tatum and Brown as their two best players and taking up a massive amount of their team’s salary.

The Celtics still won’t deal Brown this summer. Even if they wanted to consider such a massive change to their core, now would not be the right time to move on the idea. Brown has just one year left on his existing contract. Though he is now eligible to sign a supermax extension with Boston, no other team that traded for him would be able to offer him the same contract extension. The extend-and-trade rules limit what a trade partner could offer Brown immediately; he would be crazy to accept even the biggest possible offer a team could give him under such circumstances. So, if the Celtics trade him, the receiving team would likely be acquiring Brown without any promise that he would stay beyond the final year of his contract. That’s usually not the best recipe for maximizing the return in a trade.

Plus, Brown is really good. He’s still just 26. The Celtics have accomplished plenty already with him as a franchise pillar. They haven’t won a title with him, but they have come close enough that taking a torch to the current nucleus would be a major risk.

3. The Celtics will sign Brown to a supermax extension
Brown signing a five-year, $295 million extension this summer seems the most likely outcome, especially after Brad Stevens’ recent comments about the wing’s future. Even if Brown wonders what life would be like on another team, players usually accept the supermax extension and figure out the rest later.

For the Celtics, a similar mentality could be warranted. They would have one year before Brown’s extension kicks in and two years before Tatum’s seemingly inevitable extension does the same; that’s enough time to give the current core another shot or two before settling on a more decisive path for the future. If Tatum and Brown take a step forward and win a ring, it would likely be obvious to keep them together for as long as possible. If the Celtics keep flopping in a similar fashion in the playoffs, they could be tempted to try a different formula instead, especially as the new CBA threatens to deplete the talent of their supporting cast.


Brown’s an All-Star who keeps himself in great shape and should be entering his prime years. As long as he stays healthy, he should have trade value throughout his next contract. If the Celtics eventually want to move on, they can do so while he still has years left on his deal and suitors won’t need to be so concerned about a flight risk. Boston would not be able to trade Brown for one year after he signs the extension agreement, but would be trying to win with him next season anyway. As disappointing as their Eastern Conference Finals loss was, the Celtics could be just a few small tweaks or a few minor improvements away from achieving a more desirable outcome. If they eventually decide they aren’t, well, they would still have time to deal with that one day
King also speculates that Boston will move on from Brogdon and may pursue a deal for another starting quality PF/big assuming they can make it fit cap-wise.

[lon3lytoaster]

Boston not interested in Beal.

Moving on.

Can you share a list of possible names they are interested in?

This is a silly question. The answer is “our guys.”

[Larry_Russell]

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Reuniting with an old friend?

Malcolm Brogdon for Evan Fournier and draft asset

Analysis: This would be a move that would be more about setting up the team for the future (and CBA limitations) rather than the present. Fournier was a DNP-CD for much of last season with the Knicks after falling out of their rotation. However, his contract is cheaper than Brogdon’s by a few million dollars and it’s an expiring deal so it solves a long-term luxury tax crunch issue for Boston.

Would Fournier be capable of a bounce-back season in Boston? If not, Boston could shop him with draft assets for a different fit. Would the Knicks be open to adding another guard to their young crowded backcourt? If so, this is a logical, if not underwhelming potential match that helps Boston more long-term than immediately.

Clippers

Malcolm Brogdon for pricy supporting player X (Eric Gordon, Norm Powell, Marcus Morris etc.)

Analysis: There is a high level of urgency right now for a Clippers squad that keeps coming up short in the postseason thanks to injuries to their stars. One other issue in LA is the lack of a reliable point guard. The John Wall experiment failed. Russell Westbrook did better but doesn’t seem like the championship answer. Could Boston sell the Clippers on Brogdon as their point guard solution? Powell or Gordon would provide some needed reinforcements on the wing although Powell’s long-term deal may be too pricy for Boston to want to take on. Marcus Morris is also surely available too if the Celtics want the expiring contract and maybe another player or draft asset.

The powell deal...yeah...it has been propsed here. Fair deal. I like Powell, even more if brown is moved.

The fournier deal? If that happened Wyc would need to publicly humiliate Brad and then let the fans tear Brad apart