Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

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[Cmon_Son-_-]

Our offseasons are always the most interesting year to year for us to only pick up a center off the street mid season as our only transaction of the year lol

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Bye strus lol

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The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

This is definitely either smokescreen from Washington themselves being the ones trying to drive interest to get Miami to improve the purse they probably offered. Beal most likely gave a couple of names of contenders he wouldn't mind going to, however if I was a betting man, they probably didn't get movement on half of those teams. Think about Boston, is worried about their own now with those big extensions, and until that is settled they aren't entertaining anything. Philly, needs to figure out the Beards situation, if hes staying or going before they can dip their toes into this. That leaves Milwaukee, Lakers, Knicks, but it looks like Milwaukee does not feel like swapping Middleton for Beal will get them over the hump necessarily, so their trying to keep him, but its not looking feasible. The Lakers are rumored but don't have the trade assets in picks to supplement expiring contracts, so not much happening there. LA is also probably more in favor of Kyrie as a priority. That leaves New York, whom has the draft capital, and players to make the swap, however I feel like they have been really quiet, so they might have other plans, maybe looking at going in on a big man. The Brooklyn Nets are likely dead-set on Lillard, this kinda has us in line of sight in lead to be honest here.

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The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

This is definitely either smokescreen from Washington themselves being the ones trying to drive interest to get Miami to improve the purse they probably offered. Beal most likely gave a couple of names of contenders he wouldn't mind going to, however if I was a betting man, they probably didn't get movement on half of those teams. Think about Boston, is worried about their own now with those big extensions, and until that is settled they aren't entertaining anything. Philly, needs to figure out the Beards situation, if hes staying or going before they can dip their toes into this. That leaves Milwaukee, Lakers, Knicks, but it looks like Milwaukee does not feel like swapping Middleton for Beal will get them over the hump necessarily, so their trying to keep him, but its not looking feasible. The Lakers are rumored but don't have the trade assets in picks to supplement expiring contracts, so not much happening there. LA is also probably more in favor of Kyrie as a priority. That leaves New York, whom has the draft capital, and players to make the swap, however I feel like they have been really quiet, so they might have other plans, maybe looking at going in on a big man. The Brooklyn Nets are likely dead-set on Lillard, this kinda has us in line of sight in lead to be honest here.

Knicks make lots of sense actually. And they have a ton of assets. Forgot about them. Real threat altho haven't seen any smoke about them, not that that means they aren't trying.

Curious if nets want to go right back into trying to compete or go the OKC route and Mikal will be their SGA. I think they go the latter and keep draft picks.

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The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

This is definitely either smokescreen from Washington themselves being the ones trying to drive interest to get Miami to improve the purse they probably offered. Beal most likely gave a couple of names of contenders he wouldn't mind going to, however if I was a betting man, they probably didn't get movement on half of those teams. Think about Boston, is worried about their own now with those big extensions, and until that is settled they aren't entertaining anything. Philly, needs to figure out the Beards situation, if hes staying or going before they can dip their toes into this. That leaves Milwaukee, Lakers, Knicks, but it looks like Milwaukee does not feel like swapping Middleton for Beal will get them over the hump necessarily, so their trying to keep him, but its not looking feasible. The Lakers are rumored but don't have the trade assets in picks to supplement expiring contracts, so not much happening there. LA is also probably more in favor of Kyrie as a priority. That leaves New York, whom has the draft capital, and players to make the swap, however I feel like they have been really quiet, so they might have other plans, maybe looking at going in on a big man. The Brooklyn Nets are likely dead-set on Lillard, this kinda has us in line of sight in lead to be honest here.

Knicks make lots of sense actually. And they have a ton of assets. Forgot about them. Real threat altho haven't seen any smoke about them, not that that means they aren't trying.

Curious if nets want to go right back into trying to compete or go the OKC route and Mikal will be their SGA. I think they go the latter and keep draft picks.

They can have as must interest as they want if Beal says no he ain’t going.

[MHeat0279]

i still cant comprehend why he wasnt used this year

Yurt was an oaf in the speed category, slow azz molasses with steel concrete filled boots on every time we saw him on the court in garbage time, I am sure there was zero confidence in him, I mean the coaches look at this guys in practice vs each other. We are problebly one of the better teams out there that use undrafted players from one day to the next based on their impact and work hard attitudes. If he looked any which way dominant he would of gotten minutes, Orlando Robinson got minutes over him even after he came back from injury that should tell you everything you need to know about why he didn't get playing time.

Might be in the minority here but I liked what Yurt showed last season. Going into the season wasn't he supposed to be a key member of the rotation until the foot injury?

He was never the same after he got benched when Bam came back from injury, very promising until Spo neutered him.

[MHeat0279]

Nuggets scoring:

Game 5 - 94
Game 4- 108
Game 3 - 109
Game 2 - 108
Game 1 - 104

I’m not impressed, let’s add some firepower and run it back

Imagine if we had a bulkier taller defender to limit his easy passes and scoring i foot away from the rim, we need a solid defensive center to back up Bam.

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This is definitely either smokescreen from Washington themselves being the ones trying to drive interest to get Miami to improve the purse they probably offered. Beal most likely gave a couple of names of contenders he wouldn't mind going to, however if I was a betting man, they probably didn't get movement on half of those teams. Think about Boston, is worried about their own now with those big extensions, and until that is settled they aren't entertaining anything. Philly, needs to figure out the Beards situation, if hes staying or going before they can dip their toes into this. That leaves Milwaukee, Lakers, Knicks, but it looks like Milwaukee does not feel like swapping Middleton for Beal will get them over the hump necessarily, so their trying to keep him, but its not looking feasible. The Lakers are rumored but don't have the trade assets in picks to supplement expiring contracts, so not much happening there. LA is also probably more in favor of Kyrie as a priority. That leaves New York, whom has the draft capital, and players to make the swap, however I feel like they have been really quiet, so they might have other plans, maybe looking at going in on a big man. The Brooklyn Nets are likely dead-set on Lillard, this kinda has us in line of sight in lead to be honest here.

Knicks make lots of sense actually. And they have a ton of assets. Forgot about them. Real threat altho haven't seen any smoke about them, not that that means they aren't trying.

Curious if nets want to go right back into trying to compete or go the OKC route and Mikal will be their SGA. I think they go the latter and keep draft picks.

They can have as must interest as they want if Beal says no he ain’t going.

Beal may not want anything to do with the NY media, and the chance to fall flat over there getting destroyed for every little thing. If there was an inkling of a chance NY was going after him or Beal had interest Steven A Smith and First take guys would be blowing up the narrative of him going to NY. There has been opportunity for that the last couple days and they have completely went away from it, tells you they probably know he doesn't want to go there. Also the team that gets mentioned with Beal a lot is the sixers, there's a connection there, however the sixers are trying to worry about a lot of other moving pieces right now.

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Correct, even with just vet mins on the final 5 roster spots would take us past the second apron.

Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the midlevel exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. Teams in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade first-round picks seven years in the future or sign players on the buyout market. Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in one of the four subsequent years, its draft pick will get moved to the end of the first round.

So if we do all those things before passing 2nd apron then it’s only restrictive re in-season moves. The following season TBD

Potentially, It's hard to say. The cap and tax aprons may grow with the increases in salary on the roster. But it's likely this would be the case if we close the roster very close to the 2nd apron.

We'd only face the above penalties if our salaries exceeded the 2nd apron. So if we stay under the 2nd apron we can still do all the above. However next year with the increases in everyone's salaries that could potentially take us over the 2024-2025 2nd tax apron.

I'm fairly certain that the aprons will increase commensurate with the salary cap

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The Fischer article basically stated that there hasn't been interest in Beal from PHI/BOS/NY. MIL is the only one but they also want to bring back Middleton and Brook which can't happen with Beal. So MIA is looking like the only real option for him at this moment.

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The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

I believe the 76ers are devoid of FRPs that they can trade

[carnageta]

Bradley, Bam, and Butler will be a finals contender again next season and at least 2-3 years after that. Then, Bam turns 29 and will be in the prime of his career, and Butler and Beal will be off of the books. You can then 'retool' to build another contender.

I like the move.

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No

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So pretty much everyone who was on our 2022 offseason wish list is available again except for Donovan Mitchell lol

[IceColdCubano]

Nuggets scoring:

Game 5 - 94
Game 4- 108
Game 3 - 109
Game 2 - 108
Game 1 - 104

I’m not impressed, let’s add some firepower and run it back

Imagine if we had a bulkier taller defender to limit his easy passes and scoring i foot away from the rim, we need a solid defensive center to back up Bam.

I am finishing a deep dive into the series, breaking down what worked and what didn't, and what hurt the most, I should be posting it later today. You would be surprised what our largest margins of deficiency were. I am only through game 4 now, need a couple more hours to get through the last game. I will open up a its own thread for my breakdowns, there's a lot to digest here. But as an early overview our size at the PF/C spot is literally at the very bottom of our issues as far the impact, we actually on our power rotation were a wash in both Defensive and Offensive rebounding and barely lost within the margins, our largest margins for rebounding differential came from our 1-3 spots on the floor, it was significant, those Lowry/Vincent/Struss lineups were absolutely brutal to our defensive rebounding. Love/Caleb/Bam actually kept even keel or won some games against their biggest three in their power rotation. Our worst offenders on their assist came from back cuts at the guard/wing spots again. Comparing this to Lakers, LA did a much better at protecting the middle of the court but suffered just as bad on cuts & Pick & roll, that tells me their offensive schemes are built to break down big lineups, biggest problems for both us and LA here is were lacking on athletes we both died by the same sword. Looking at our zone this helped shore up some of this but Denver continued to force the switch on the pick and roll until they pulled all our best defenders to the front of the zone, they spammed this into oblivion once they figured it out and started attacking from the angles while our bigger better defenders were on the outer perimeter of the zone incapable of helping.

I will also say this, our scoring differential between 1. Bam/Jimmy vs Jokic/Murray 2. PF/C vs PF/C theirs 3. G/SF VS G/SF theirs was ranked as follows from worse to best #3 then #1 followed by #2 If using FG% values. That tells you that a Jimmy was absolutely brutal, but that our guards and wings suffered the worst offensive deficit in scoring vs theirs. Their power rotation vs ours was not the biggest outlier at all.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

all this talk is making me want to fire up 2k23 and go into GM mode and spend an hour making trades to build this team




and simulate the season

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What are y’all takes on Lavine?

forget Lavine, ASK THE BULLS ABOUT PATRICK WILLIAMS for relatively cheap ( i hope, they arent sure about him)!! he could be our long term project at PF