Is Joker a top 6 Center of all time?

[SpreeS]

Wilt, KAJ, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

Moses, D-Rob

Ewing, Jokic

others

[dygaction]

Wilt, KAJ, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

Moses, D-Rob

Ewing, Jokic

others

This is like ranking Curry below CP3, Stockton, and IT bad

[70sFan]

Wilt, KAJ, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

Moses, D-Rob

Ewing, Jokic

others

This is like ranking Curry below CP3, Stockton, and IT bad

I've been running my CORP estimation for top 60-70 players in the league history and Jokic is still outside top 10 centers ever in that department, while Curry is easily ahead of Stockton and Thomas. So no, this is not similar at all.

[dygaction]

Wilt, KAJ, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

Moses, D-Rob

Ewing, Jokic

others

This is like ranking Curry below CP3, Stockton, and IT bad

I've been running my CORP estimation for top 60-70 players in the league history and Jokic is still outside top 10 centers ever in that department, while Curry is easily ahead of Stockton and Thomas. So no, this is not similar at all.

It's ok before you telling me Duncan is a center, everyone has personal estimation. I would rather have Curry easily ahead of Cp3 but Stockton and Thomas can have an argument although weak.

[70sFan]

This is like ranking Curry below CP3, Stockton, and IT bad

I've been running my CORP estimation for top 60-70 players in the league history and Jokic is still outside top 10 centers ever in that department, while Curry is easily ahead of Stockton and Thomas. So no, this is not similar at all.

It's ok before you telling me Duncan is a center, everyone has personal estimation. I would rather have Curry easily ahead of Cp3 but Stockton and Thomas can have an argument although weak.

The thing is that 2-3 all-time great seasons along with 3 additional all-nba seasons won't make you past someone like Ewing or Gilmore, let alone Moses or Robinson.

[dygaction]

I've been running my CORP estimation for top 60-70 players in the league history and Jokic is still outside top 10 centers ever in that department, while Curry is easily ahead of Stockton and Thomas. So no, this is not similar at all.

It's ok before you telling me Duncan is a center, everyone has personal estimation. I would rather have Curry easily ahead of Cp3 but Stockton and Thomas can have an argument although weak.

The thing is that 2-3 all-time great seasons along with 3 additional all-nba seasons won't make you past someone like Ewing or Gilmore, let alone Moses or Robinson.

Moses I can entertain, DRob maybe, but what did Ewing exactly do to belong in this discussion?

[70sFan]

It's ok before you telling me Duncan is a center, everyone has personal estimation. I would rather have Curry easily ahead of Cp3 but Stockton and Thomas can have an argument although weak.

The thing is that 2-3 all-time great seasons along with 3 additional all-nba seasons won't make you past someone like Ewing or Gilmore, let alone Moses or Robinson.

Moses I can entertain, DRob maybe, but what did Ewing exactly do to belong in this discussion?

Be all-nba player for a decade with MVP-level peak? Such longevity has massive value. Not to mention that he was into many long postseason runs as well, including finals run as the MVP of his team.

[dygaction]

The thing is that 2-3 all-time great seasons along with 3 additional all-nba seasons won't make you past someone like Ewing or Gilmore, let alone Moses or Robinson.

Moses I can entertain, DRob maybe, but what did Ewing exactly do to belong in this discussion?

Be all-nba player for a decade with MVP-level peak? Such longevity has massive value. Not to mention that he was into many long postseason runs as well, including finals run as the MVP of his team.

You know I value longevity less than peak and prime. MVP-level peaks have very different value from real MVPs. He was never considered the best player in the league or even reached top 3 in MVP voting. He was a great player but his overall value is closer to DH than to Jokic.

[70sFan]

Moses I can entertain, DRob maybe, but what did Ewing exactly do to belong in this discussion?

Be all-nba player for a decade with MVP-level peak? Such longevity has massive value. Not to mention that he was into many long postseason runs as well, including finals run as the MVP of his team.

You know I value longevity less than peak and prime. MVP-level peaks have very different value from real MVPs. He was never considered the best player in the league or even reached top 3 in MVP voting. He was a great player but his overall value is closer to DH than to Jokic.

Again, what do you mean by "career value"? Do you know that some people actually try to quantify such things and they come up with the conclusion that Ewing definitely isn't closer to Howard than Jokic in career value?

It's fine if you don't care about anything lesser than MVP seasons, but you should know that these MVP-level, all-nba level and all-star seasons all have tremendous value.

[dygaction]

Be all-nba player for a decade with MVP-level peak? Such longevity has massive value. Not to mention that he was into many long postseason runs as well, including finals run as the MVP of his team.

You know I value longevity less than peak and prime. MVP-level peaks have very different value from real MVPs. He was never considered the best player in the league or even reached top 3 in MVP voting. He was a great player but his overall value is closer to DH than to Jokic.

Again, what do you mean by "career value"? Do you know that some people actually try to quantify such things and they come up with the conclusion that Ewing definitely isn't closer to Howard than Jokic in career value?

It's fine if you don't care about anything lesser than MVP seasons, but you should know that these MVP-level, all-nba level and all-star seasons all have tremendous value.

In my view, there should also be a formula to adjust value taking salary/cap into consideration. Should a player's all-star season but taking MVP salary contributes positive or negative value, like this season PG13 and Harden?

[AEnigma]

Yeah, that is why most all-time peaks occur on the player’s rookie contract, right?

[70sFan]

You know I value longevity less than peak and prime. MVP-level peaks have very different value from real MVPs. He was never considered the best player in the league or even reached top 3 in MVP voting. He was a great player but his overall value is closer to DH than to Jokic.

Again, what do you mean by "career value"? Do you know that some people actually try to quantify such things and they come up with the conclusion that Ewing definitely isn't closer to Howard than Jokic in career value?

It's fine if you don't care about anything lesser than MVP seasons, but you should know that these MVP-level, all-nba level and all-star seasons all have tremendous value.

In my view, there should also be a formula to adjust value taking salary/cap into consideration. Should a player's all-star season but taking MVP salary contributes positive or negative value, like this season PG13 and Harden?

That's a good point.