The Scoot Henderson Thread

[BeesWax]

Please don't put words in my mouth.
I had said I don't think it's likely Scoot becomes a good defender, good shooter and elite scorer. That is nearly impossible for a 6-2 guard. Also, don't think him shooting in a gym with Steph automatically makes him a great shooter. Guess I am hater. Never had I said anything crazy such as "I will be done with this team if they take Scoot" or have said "Miller is the BPA in the draft over and over and over".

Miller I have been pretty reasonable with the takes, solid defender, solid playmaker, good shooter. Defended him against posters who said he can't dribble by posting clips of him dribbling.

I said Miller could avg 4-5 assists, meanwhile someone said Scoot could avg 12-14 assists.

but yeah I am the one saying crazy things... got it.

You and the other Millerites have said we say he can walk on water because we say he has a good looking shot and feel he can improve from range. You have put words into our mouths for a while now.

You have ignored that Miller isn't any of those things against good opponents. You write it off with one excuse or another and then ask for proof that Miller can improve then when given the list write that off too. You have called people crazy for saying someone can improve while ignoring the flaws of your guy so yes I would say you contributed to your half of this issue as much as anyone on here.

I hope if we pick Scoot his shooting improves and he continues to grow as a playmaker like he has shown.

I hope if we pick Miller he learns to adjust his game so he can play well against good players and not struggle like he did.

Either way we have someone who needs work and hopefully will be willing to put the work in and become what his main supports believe he can be.

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

I'm just trying to stay in the middle ground and take things at face value. That is that both of these guys project to be pretty damn good players. Maybe not hall of famers but at least fringe-allstars at worst.

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

[luciano-davidwesley]

You and the other Millerites have said we say he can walk on water because we say he has a good looking shot and feel he can improve from range. You have put words into our mouths for a while now.

You have ignored that Miller isn't any of those things against good opponents. You write it off with one excuse or another and then ask for proof that Miller can improve then when given the list write that off too. You have called people crazy for saying someone can improve while ignoring the flaws of your guy so yes I would say you contributed to your half of this issue as much as anyone on here.

I hope if we pick Scoot his shooting improves and he continues to grow as a playmaker like he has shown.

I hope if we pick Miller he learns to adjust his game so he can play well against good players and not struggle like he did.

Either way we have someone who needs work and hopefully will be willing to put the work in and become what his main supports believe he can be.

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

I'm just trying to stay in the middle ground and take things at face value. That is that both of these guys project to be pretty damn good players. Maybe not hall of famers but at least fringe-allstars at worst.

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

I disagree. I think the pro Scoot crowd has done the exact same thing. Some of the early takes on Miller on this board by Scoot fans were insulting to intelligent discussion. The pro-Scoot and the pro-Miller crowds have both been guilty of some pretty off-base and blatantly biased comments regarding their alternative.

[SWedd523]

Also what is a Millerites?

[SWedd523]

You and the other Millerites have said we say he can walk on water because we say he has a good looking shot and feel he can improve from range. You have put words into our mouths for a while now.

You have ignored that Miller isn't any of those things against good opponents. You write it off with one excuse or another and then ask for proof that Miller can improve then when given the list write that off too. You have called people crazy for saying someone can improve while ignoring the flaws of your guy so yes I would say you contributed to your half of this issue as much as anyone on here.

I hope if we pick Scoot his shooting improves and he continues to grow as a playmaker like he has shown.

I hope if we pick Miller he learns to adjust his game so he can play well against good players and not struggle like he did.

Either way we have someone who needs work and hopefully will be willing to put the work in and become what his main supports believe he can be.

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

I'm just trying to stay in the middle ground and take things at face value. That is that both of these guys project to be pretty damn good players. Maybe not hall of famers but at least fringe-allstars at worst.

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

The gaslighting is real

This entire draft process started as Scoot Stans lambasting Miller saying he doesn't belong in the same realm as Scoot. Even now guys like fats are in full meltdown considering the thought that Miller might get drafted.

Then folks (including myself) came to the defense of Miller, calling out the wazoo claims about Scoot as a prospect and positing that Miller deserves to be in the conversation and now, apparently, the turns have tabled.

What a time to be alive.

[SWedd523]

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

Scootettes out here in these streets rolling DEEP

[JustBuzzin]

You and the other Millerites have said we say he can walk on water because we say he has a good looking shot and feel he can improve from range. You have put words into our mouths for a while now.

You have ignored that Miller isn't any of those things against good opponents. You write it off with one excuse or another and then ask for proof that Miller can improve then when given the list write that off too. You have called people crazy for saying someone can improve while ignoring the flaws of your guy so yes I would say you contributed to your half of this issue as much as anyone on here.

I hope if we pick Scoot his shooting improves and he continues to grow as a playmaker like he has shown.

I hope if we pick Miller he learns to adjust his game so he can play well against good players and not struggle like he did.

Either way we have someone who needs work and hopefully will be willing to put the work in and become what his main supports believe he can be.

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

I'm just trying to stay in the middle ground and take things at face value. That is that both of these guys project to be pretty damn good players. Maybe not hall of famers but at least fringe-allstars at worst.

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

If you pay attention to the mocks and you had Woj say today that Brandon Miller will be the pick.

Then you have Scoot fans say well this is just speculation.lol

Woj went on Nat'l tv and said the pick will be Brandon Miller.


Gotta love this board. I guess we all have to wait it out until Thursday. I find it odd most mocks are saying Miller and the insiders are now saying it's Miller. But hey it's speculation...

[JustBuzzin]

Miller GanG vs Scoot GanG


May the best GanG win!

[yosemiteben]

Seriously this is childish. If JDR is a Millerite you and others are Scottettes.

I'm just trying to stay in the middle ground and take things at face value. That is that both of these guys project to be pretty damn good players. Maybe not hall of famers but at least fringe-allstars at worst.

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

If you pay attention to the mocks and you had Woj say today that Brandon Miller will be the pick.

Then you have Scoot fans say well this is just speculation.lol

Woj went on Nat'l tv and said the pick will be Brandon Miller.


Gotta love this board. I guess we all have to wait it out until Thursday. I find it odd most mocks are saying Miller and the insiders are now saying it's Miller. But hey it's speculation...

Woj is connected with agents and teams, but our team doesn't leak anything and specifically has no incentive to here given that trades are an option.

Woj also tweets stuff he actually knows.

[JDR720]

The draft is a week away and MJ still hasn't had his meeting with either player.

Woj doesn't know everything and how much of this are his sources doing the same thing we're all doing? Making assumptions. It's why even most Scoot fans think Miller will be the pick, not that it's the preferred option.

[JustBuzzin]

I think some people are but I haven't seen anyone be as anti one and pro another as he has. It has felt like people attacked Scoot to boost Miller if there were his fans. I haven't seen anyone down Miller near as much as a Scoot fan. There has seemed to be some very irrational hate from Miller fans on Scoot to justify picking him where Scoot fans have mostly said they were fine with either but preferred Scoot.

I mean this board always has some negative tilt but the attacks on one of the prospects has been pretty crazy this year. Then when questions are asked and numbers are provided they goal posts are moved and the attack continues.

If you pay attention to the mocks and you had Woj say today that Brandon Miller will be the pick.

Then you have Scoot fans say well this is just speculation.lol

Woj went on Nat'l tv and said the pick will be Brandon Miller.


Gotta love this board. I guess we all have to wait it out until Thursday. I find it odd most mocks are saying Miller and the insiders are now saying it's Miller. But hey it's speculation...

Woj is connected with agents and teams, but our team doesn't leak anything and specifically has no incentive to here given that trades are an option.

Woj also tweets stuff he actually knows.

Well that was foolish if he said this on live tv with no insight. Seemed pretty confident Miller was the pick.


If he didn't know why would he say something like that on live tv?

[JustBuzzin]

The draft is a week away and MJ still hasn't had his meeting with either player.

Woj doesn't know everything and how much of this are his sources doing the same thing we're all doing? Making assumptions. It's why even most Scoot fans think Miller will be the pick, not that it's the preferred option.

They both meet MJ on Monday if im not mistaken.

[yosemiteben]

If you pay attention to the mocks and you had Woj say today that Brandon Miller will be the pick.

Then you have Scoot fans say well this is just speculation.lol

Woj went on Nat'l tv and said the pick will be Brandon Miller.


Gotta love this board. I guess we all have to wait it out until Thursday. I find it odd most mocks are saying Miller and the insiders are now saying it's Miller. But hey it's speculation...

Woj is connected with agents and teams, but our team doesn't leak anything and specifically has no incentive to here given that trades are an option.

Woj also tweets stuff he actually knows.

Well that was foolish if he said this on live tv with no insight. Seemed pretty confident Miller was the pick.


If he didn't know why would he say something like that on live tv?

To get attention? Same reason lots of people throw stuff out there?

It wasn't tweeted, no one is going to call him on it if it's different.

Do you think our FO is communicating the way they are leaning? Why?

[JustBuzzin]

Woj is connected with agents and teams, but our team doesn't leak anything and specifically has no incentive to here given that trades are an option.

Woj also tweets stuff he actually knows.

Well that was foolish if he said this on live tv with no insight. Seemed pretty confident Miller was the pick.


If he didn't know why would he say something like that on live tv?

To get attention? Same reason lots of people throw stuff out there?

It wasn't tweeted, no one is going to call him on it if it's different.

Do you think our FO is communicating the way they are leaning? Why?

He's not going to tweet it and spoil the draft. The NBA would be pissed if the top 2 picks are already announced.

[fatlever]

big difference between woj saying he wont spoil the picks DURING the draft and thinking woj wouldnt tweet solid intel about who we are leaning towards drafting a week out, if he had it. lol, come on.

he might know something leaked from us, doubtful, unless its a low-level staffer
he might be hearing some chatter via agents (take source with grain of salt for draft)
or just leaping to conclusions for the corp overloads

[wilson115]

Here's what I consider the best argument for Scoot: economics.

We just saw Miami make the NBA finals with a roster built around Adebayo, Butler, and a bench made up of vets nearing their 40s and undrafted 3&D guys. If it's true the new CBA's going to make it harder to build teams around more than 1-2 stars, obviously they have to be the right kind of "star" to make efficient use of the cap or else. Objectively, the most valuable--therefore hard to obtain--NBA skill is legit playmaking/shot creation ability. Shooting and defense, we can get in the 2nd round, free agency, Europe, the G-League, etc. But how often will this franchise be in a position to draft potentially 8 or so years of cheap starter-or-better-level lead guard production over LaMelo's rookie-scale contract years? Or, do we really want to risk getting stuck paying a 3&D guy #2-pick-overall money?

It’s teams like Boston which built meticulously in order to accommodate Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum on super-maxes that are now facing a pathway that is inordinately more difficult. Sustainable building takes on an entirely new meaning, and the super max will once again be nerfed. We have already seen the immense difficulty in putting together a competitive roster with even one player making 35% of the salary cap and effective hard cap on rosters will now make this proposition even more difficult. The value of players on rookie scale maxes relative to the larger percentage maxes will be disproportionately higher.

https://intheno.substack.com/p/the-crunch-is-coming

Currently, the most marketable skill in the NBA is offensive creation. The median salary among the 61 creators who played at least 200 minutes this year was $8 million (in red). In comparison, the 89 rim protectors (in blue) and the 67 floor-spacers (in yellow) commanded lower wages, with median salaries of $3.5 and $3.0 million, respectively. Players who have more than one essential skill (in orange, green, or purple) tend to sign the biggest deals.

https://fansided.com/2020/07/29/nylon-calculus-spotting-nba-market-inefficiency/

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[BuzzCityRell]

Interesting that Rod Boone from the observer, put out his mock and has us taking Scoot.

[BeesWax]

I think Woj is hearing things just not sure from where. Also at this point all these guys throw out anything they hear and just say something changed when it gets closer to the draft. He will say the meeting with Jordan or something along those lines moved the needle.

[NO-KG-AI]

Woj is connected with agents and teams, but our team doesn't leak anything and specifically has no incentive to here given that trades are an option.

Woj also tweets stuff he actually knows.

Well that was foolish if he said this on live tv with no insight. Seemed pretty confident Miller was the pick.


If he didn't know why would he say something like that on live tv?

To get attention? Same reason lots of people throw stuff out there?

It wasn't tweeted, no one is going to call him on it if it's different.

Do you think our FO is communicating the way they are leaning? Why?

Woj literally got bodied on TV last year by how badly he whiffed and doubled down on his “intel” about Orlando and Jabari Smith. I wouldn’t believe anything.

I think all the smoke is to possibly drum up trade interest from Portland at 3. I think Scoot is just head and shoulders above Miller even if you don’t care about the whole murder involvement thing lol.

[BuzzCityRell]

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Seems like it’s been what many of us have thought. A bunch of smoke in the air. It’s clear Scoot is the #2 player in this draft

[Liver_Pooty]

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Seems like it’s been what many of us have thought. A bunch of smoke in the air. It’s clear Scoot is the #2 player in this draft

I know everyone has who they prefer, but its not crystal clear at all.