Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[JRoy]

Don't worry JRoy all the news about the Blazers aggressively trying to make trades are just a show for Dame so that the FO can wipe their hands and said "we tried everything we could!"

I think this is very close to what actually happens.

[___Rand___]

I'm not a big Miller guy, so I think targeting something like 4 or even 7 makes sense as well.

I see Miller being compared to PG but he has nowhere near the defensive chops and that's what makes PG so valuable, his elite two way ability.

Draft positions aren't based on "oh this guy doesn't look like Lebron or MJ so he shouldn't be #1." If you look at this year's crop of players and you think Miller is #4 to 7 you haven't watched the young players AT ALL.

You have to remember PG didn't look like this version of PG13 when he came into the league. Heck PG13 went #10 for a reason in that draft.

Miller can shoot the 3, he can finish, can create for himself and others (which PG didn't have when he came into the league). he is long athletic and can defend on a top 10 defensive team in college led by a defensive coach. He wasn't asked to do more on defense yes but he is a good defensive player and you'd know that if you watched a few of their games (or read a few scouting reports). He already has vision and play making ability that is already better than PG13.

His offensive skillsets are quite advanced for a freshman and he will contribute from year 1. Which a lot of lottery draft picks (save Victor) can't and won't do.

I'm saying I'd rather pay a cheaper price for #4 or #7 than overpay for #3 when I'm not convinced Miller is going to be an allstar caliber player

Looking at players through only rose colored glasses leads to the overrating of many of these prospects.

Fork dude two things. 1 - do you know how many top 3 picks turn out to be all-star? VERY FEW. 2 - Rookie scale salaries aren't ALL-STAR SALARIES DUDE. Third. Miller will be a starter in this league and baring any injuries will be for a long time. His game is based on skill, NOT on athleticism nor quickness which fades with time.

Extra point - Charlotte ain't trading the #2 pick, and they are most certainly picking Miller with it. So he isn't available. Scoot might be, but I'm not that high on Scoot. He's a slightly shorter version of Westbrick - can't defend, can't shoot 3. Let's hope we don't trade for him!

[Los_29]

I'm not a big Miller guy, so I think targeting something like 4 or even 7 makes sense as well.

I see Miller being compared to PG but he has nowhere near the defensive chops and that's what makes PG so valuable, his elite two way ability.

Draft positions aren't based on "oh this guy doesn't look like Lebron or MJ so he shouldn't be #1." If you look at this year's crop of players and you think Miller is #4 to 7 you haven't watched the young players AT ALL.

You have to remember PG didn't look like this version of PG13 when he came into the league. Heck PG13 went #10 for a reason in that draft.

Miller can shoot the 3, he can finish, can create for himself and others (which PG didn't have when he came into the league). he is long athletic and can defend on a top 10 defensive team in college led by a defensive coach. He wasn't asked to do more on defense yes but he is a good defensive player and you'd know that if you watched a few of their games (or read a few scouting reports). He already has vision and play making ability that is already better than PG13.

His offensive skillsets are quite advanced for a freshman and he will contribute from year 1. Which a lot of lottery draft picks (save Victor) can't and won't do.

George's assist rate was 22%. Miller's was 12%. Then you factor in defense where George had monster steal and block rates for his position whereas Miller is far behind. Miller was also a very old freshman. He's going to be 21 in like 5 months. He's old enough to be going into his senior year next year.

I like Miller though and think he's going to be a great player but there are certainly a lot of factors that could prevent him from being an all-star caliber player.

[___Rand___]

George's assist rate was 22%. Miller's was 12%. Then you factor in defense where George had monster steal and block rates for his position whereas Miller is far behind. Miller was also a very old freshman. He's going to be 21 in like 5 months. He's old enough to be going into his senior year next year.

I like Miller though and think he's going to be a great player but there are certainly a lot of factors that could prevent him from being an all-star caliber player.

Miller wasn't asked to be a distributor on a Bama team that often ran with 2 PGs or combo guards - Oats loves his guards and his offense revolves arounds them. Despite that his assist numbers are close to PG's college career. George was a jump shooter, and NOT a creator in college. He had to learn that in NBA. Miller had covid season that's why he's 20. Paul George was also 20 when he came out of the draft. Miller added to his game quite a bit in 1 year of college. Miller needs to add strength. But that'll come with physical maturity. In 3 years he should be much stronger than now.

Is he an all-star calibre player? I don't know yet not you not the scouts nor NBA GMs. That will depend on HIM. Just as it did with Paul George, Kawhi, etc. Nobody picked PG and Kawhi to be all-stars when they got drafted. Otherwise they wouldn't have gone where they did either. Does he have weaknesses? Heck who doesn't. Not even Bron was perfect when he came into the league. He had to change and evolve over time in the league. Learn to shoot the ball in Miami. Learn to be a distributor. Play defense better. So it's up to the kid.

[TorontoBarneys]

There’s no way Portland does Simons and 3 for OG and Porter, right?

I don’t think we’re moving Siakam. I think the Poeltl deal happened to pair him with Siakam and to help with the locker room issues.

Barnes/Siakam/Poeltl is such a mediocre frontcourt, though. The fit is just gunk. They have to have seen what we saw this season.

[NinjaBro]

There’s no way Portland does Simons and 3 for OG and Porter, right?

I don’t think we’re moving Siakam. I think the Poeltl deal happened to pair him with Siakam and to help with the locker room issues.

Barnes/Siakam/Poeltl is such a mediocre frontcourt, though. The fit is just gunk. They have to have seen what we saw this season.

Sharpe and Scoot in the backcourt patches up our frontcourt issues.

[TorontoBarneys]

There’s no way Portland does Simons and 3 for OG and Porter, right?

I don’t think we’re moving Siakam. I think the Poeltl deal happened to pair him with Siakam and to help with the locker room issues.

Barnes/Siakam/Poeltl is such a mediocre frontcourt, though. The fit is just gunk. They have to have seen what we saw this season.

Sharpe and Scoot in the backcourt patches up our frontcourt issues.

Not seeing a scenario where you get those guys and retain that same frontcourt.

[youreachiteach]

People call Keyonte George a "three level scorer" but based on the tape I saw I didn't see 2 of the three. He can shoot and has that NBA skill. But he can't really create separation and his handle is suspect. I actually like Jett more even though he has to spin using his back to the defender to get where he wants.

[Rapsfan07]

idk why people are moving like simons isnt a budding star. not doing this is a big mistake. Simons is a perfect fit with scottie barnes as a combo guard with a point forward. that
simons
whatever we can s+t fvv or trent for
Miller
Barnes
Poetl

Idk why we wouldnt do og and siakam for 3 and simons if our development is supposed to be so good. If our organization is as good as they want us to believe this should be an outstanding core to build around... idk why we are sitting here waiting for some magical deal to come to us when we have potential all nba players right infront of us.

OG AND Siakam for #3 lol whoaaaaaaa

Does Portland at least buy as a drink first?

[Zeno]

I don’t know if I’d take it or not but let’s not act like Huerter, Mitchell and 2 1sts isn’t a fair offer. My preference is to extend OG at 140% but if doesn’t take that and this is the best we can do, I’d take it.

[Bruin]

I don’t know if I’d take it or not but let’s not act like Huerter, Mitchell and 2 1sts isn’t a fair offer. My preference is to extend OG at 140% but if doesn’t take that and this is the best we can do, I’d take it.

We don’t NEED to move OG. I’d rather hold onto than trade him for mid pieces

[youreachiteach]

It's fair but I don't want it. Huerter, Monk and 2 firsts is the bare minimum I take back. It's not like we couldn't trade with Indy for a higher pick.

[Zeno]

I don’t know if I’d take it or not but let’s not act like Huerter, Mitchell and 2 1sts isn’t a fair offer. My preference is to extend OG at 140% but if doesn’t take that and this is the best we can do, I’d take it.

We don’t NEED to move OG. I’d rather hold onto than trade him for mid pieces

Even if he won’t extend at the allowable amount this summer?

[Tripod]

Trading Siakam or OG for depth or late picks is just a bad idea. To trade either, you HAVE to at least get 1 piece with replacement level upside.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

idk why people are moving like simons isnt a budding star. not doing this is a big mistake. Simons is a perfect fit with scottie barnes as a combo guard with a point forward. that
simons
whatever we can s+t fvv or trent for
Miller
Barnes
Poetl

Idk why we wouldnt do og and siakam for 3 and simons if our development is supposed to be so good. If our organization is as good as they want us to believe this should be an outstanding core to build around... idk why we are sitting here waiting for some magical deal to come to us when we have potential all nba players right infront of us.

OG AND Siakam for #3 lol whoaaaaaaa

Does Portland at least buy as a drink first?

lmao

All simons can do is score. he's basically a better version of GTJ. no defense no playmaking. he's more closer to a 6th man than a budding star lol

only reason GTJ was starting for the Raptors is because the Raptors suck.

[Bruin]

I don’t know if I’d take it or not but let’s not act like Huerter, Mitchell and 2 1sts isn’t a fair offer. My preference is to extend OG at 140% but if doesn’t take that and this is the best we can do, I’d take it.

We don’t NEED to move OG. I’d rather hold onto than trade him for mid pieces

Even if he won’t extend at the allowable amount this summer?

We could probably get a better package elsewhere

[NinjaBro]

idk why people are moving like simons isnt a budding star. not doing this is a big mistake. Simons is a perfect fit with scottie barnes as a combo guard with a point forward. that
simons
whatever we can s+t fvv or trent for
Miller
Barnes
Poetl

Idk why we wouldnt do og and siakam for 3 and simons if our development is supposed to be so good. If our organization is as good as they want us to believe this should be an outstanding core to build around... idk why we are sitting here waiting for some magical deal to come to us when we have potential all nba players right infront of us.

OG AND Siakam for #3 lol whoaaaaaaa

Does Portland at least buy as a drink first?

lmao

All simons can do is score. he's basically a better version of GTJ. no defense no playmaking. he's more closer to a 6th man than a budding star lol

only reason GTJ was starting for the Raptors is because the Raptors suck.

Gtj is also a much better defender than Simons. Let that sink in.

[JRoy]

Draft positions aren't based on "oh this guy doesn't look like Lebron or MJ so he shouldn't be #1." If you look at this year's crop of players and you think Miller is #4 to 7 you haven't watched the young players AT ALL.

You have to remember PG didn't look like this version of PG13 when he came into the league. Heck PG13 went #10 for a reason in that draft.

Miller can shoot the 3, he can finish, can create for himself and others (which PG didn't have when he came into the league). he is long athletic and can defend on a top 10 defensive team in college led by a defensive coach. He wasn't asked to do more on defense yes but he is a good defensive player and you'd know that if you watched a few of their games (or read a few scouting reports). He already has vision and play making ability that is already better than PG13.

His offensive skillsets are quite advanced for a freshman and he will contribute from year 1. Which a lot of lottery draft picks (save Victor) can't and won't do.

I'm saying I'd rather pay a cheaper price for #4 or #7 than overpay for #3 when I'm not convinced Miller is going to be an allstar caliber player

Looking at players through only rose colored glasses leads to the overrating of many of these prospects.

Fork dude two things. 1 - do you know how many top 3 picks turn out to be all-star? VERY FEW. 2 - Rookie scale salaries aren't ALL-STAR SALARIES DUDE. Third. Miller will be a starter in this league and baring any injuries will be for a long time. His game is based on skill, NOT on athleticism nor quickness which fades with time.

Extra point - Charlotte ain't trading the #2 pick, and they are most certainly picking Miller with it. So he isn't available. Scoot might be, but I'm not that high on Scoot. He's a slightly shorter version of Westbrick - can't defend, can't shoot 3. Let's hope we don't trade for him!

I’m not high on Scoot either.

[Zeno]

We don’t NEED to move OG. I’d rather hold onto than trade him for mid pieces

Even if he won’t extend at the allowable amount this summer?

We could probably get a better package elsewhere

That I agree with.

[HumbleRen]