Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[bballsparkin]

I'm open to change. I love Siakam but last season was brutal to watch.

I generally don't put much stock into draft projections over a year away. Apart from the top 3, this 2023 draft has been marked as a weak draft as well, and yet we still highly value our 13th pick for good reason.

I don't buy that the 2023 is a weak draft at all. I think the top of the draft got overrated. And there will be as many hits as misses in the first round. I trust the FO to get the pick right.

[MoneyBall]

I'm open to change. I love Siakam but last season was brutal to watch.

I generally don't put much stock into draft projections over a year away. Apart from the top 3, this 2023 draft has been marked as a weak draft as well, and yet we still highly value our 13th pick for good reason.

I don't buy that the 2023 is a weak draft at all. I think the top of the draft got overrated. And there will be as many hits as misses in the first round. I trust the FO to get the pick right.

That's the thing with projections, they're often inaccurate or flat out wrong. I just remember hearing Bill Simmons talking with Ryen Russilo not that long ago and they both said in agreement that their intel was telling them that this was a weak draft. Who really knows.

[bballsparkin]

Well, Bill Simmons hehe. We shall see. As long as the Raptors get the pick right I'm not worried about the rest of them.

[TorontoBarneys]

Doesn't make sense to me that they'd trade Siakam shortly after aquiring Poeltl for our 2024 FRP with light protection.

If one of the primary initial reasons for obtaining Poeltl was to pair him with Siakam again then, hopefully, Masai isn't succumbing to sunk cost fallacy and is willing to deal Siakam if it makes sense and convince Poeltl to stay regardless of what happens.

I mean, we have Jakob's bird rights, no? Worst case we match and retain him no matter what, and can then trade him at the deadline to retain value if he truly wants out.

We have Jakob's bird rights but he's still unrestricted, we don't get to just match his contract. In any case, I'm not too worried about him walking away this summer.

If we trade Siakam for prospects we're looking lottery bound, which is a hard pill to swallow given that we traded away our 2024 pick. Masai knew that when he made the trade. There's not much that has happened between the deadline and today that would make me think Masai regrets making the trade. I really don't think Masai is thinking rebuild at all. Sure, it could happen if he gets an offer he can't refuse, but I seriously doubt that's gonna happen.

I mean, we are lottery bound WITH Siakam. We did just grab the #13 pick after all. That's within the lottery. We were slated to pick #6 before we dumped even more future picks to retain additional help in Poeltl.

We really aren't giving up THAT much if we trade Siakam. Gotta put it into perspective. He's an amazing #2, completely mediocre #1.

[LoveMyRaps]

What would that trade even look like....

[TorontoBarneys]

What would that trade even look like....

I tried it in the trade simulator and no matter what it's highway robbery for the Blazers. These guys are high.

[LoveMyRaps]

What would that trade even look like....

I tried it in the trade simulator and no matter what it's highway robbery for the Blazers. These guys are high.

LOOOL SAME. That's the only trade JRoy would ever sign off on.

Blazers fans smoking that Oregon Oregano.

[NinjaBro]

What would that trade even look like....

No need to wonder because it doesn't exist

[Reeko]

What would that trade even look like....

There's only one 3rd overall pick lol. What's the incentive for either one of Brooklyn or Toronto to be involved if they're not getting the pick? Especially if Portland is adamant about keeping Sharpe. That makes no sense.

[ontnut]

What would that trade even look like....

No need to wonder because it doesn't exist

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

POR goes all in with Lillard/Sharpe/Bridges/OG/Claxton. They'd have Nurk or a re-signed Grant and OPJ I guess? Plus they will have the MLE to spend. I mean, short of making a deal for a superstar, that's probably the best looking lineup they'll see, and it might contend. It's got all the right ingredients.

TOR would be fine with Simons and #3. Nurkic, #3, multiple 2nds and a swap? Maybe, but less appealing.
BKN, I just don't know enough about how highly they view Bridges (I imagine very highly), and what direction they wanna take, but by the looks of their roster, they could just go super tank mode for a couple years after this deal. Sell off Cam, Dinwidde, Harris, DFS etc., they'd have a very nice haul of picks plus some easily moveable pieces like Simons/Little/Grant to get more picks and try and remake their superteam in 2-3 years. 2 unprotected picks plus 2 swaps and young pieces for Bridges doesn't seem that far off (altho the picks are obviously far out).

[NinjaBro]

What would that trade even look like....

No need to wonder because it doesn't exist

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

[ontnut]

No need to wonder because it doesn't exist

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah I imagine not, but in theory, it does work. Bridges for 2 unprotected picks, 2-3 swaps, Little, and Simons/Grant? I mean, that's a considerable haul, it's not scraps. Considering they could easily flip Simons/Grant for another 1st, is Bridges worth MORE than 3 unprotected 1sts and 2-3 swaps, plus Little? I mean, I'd easily take that for OG, and granted Bridges is viewed more highly, I don't think the value is that far off for a rebuilding team like BKN. Not that Bridges is old at 26, but BKN is so far off from contending that I think those picks might have more value to them in the end, as they are fullllly loaded for the next big superstar trade.

[navyblue]

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah I imagine not, but in theory, it does work. Bridges for 2 unprotected picks, 2-3 swaps, Little, and Simons/Grant? I mean, that's a considerable haul, it's not scraps.

Bkn turned down 4 picks for bridges. Plus they owe picks to Houston so they don't want to tank. Plus the owner wants to be competitive.

[ontnut]

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah I imagine not, but in theory, it does work. Bridges for 2 unprotected picks, 2-3 swaps, Little, and Simons/Grant? I mean, that's a considerable haul, it's not scraps.

Bkn turned down 4 picks for bridges. Plus they owe picks to Houston so they don't want to tank. Plus the owner wants to be competitive.

Fair points.
Again, I did say it was unlikely they'd take that deal and that I don't know their exact motivation at the moment, but it DOES work as a trade, so it's not impossible - so to speak. And in theory, they wouldn't necessarily be tanking as in some iterations they'd still have Simons and Grant, plus Dinwiddie, Harris, Simmons, DFS, Cam, Mills, Sharpe? They won't be great, but they won't be at the bottom either (Simmons is a huge x factor, altho clearly nobody expects much from him).

[Zeno]

No need to wonder because it doesn't exist

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah, it would have to be the 3 going to the Nets. We’d be getting OG for #24, Blazers 26,28,30, Little, Thybulle(sign and trade)
A load of unprotected Blazers picks is tempting but O can’t imagine this is something Masai would do.

[ontnut]

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah, it would have to be the 3 going to the Nets. We’d be getting OG for #24, Blazers 26,28,30, Little, Thybulle(sign and trade)
A load of unprotected Blazers picks is tempting but O can’t imagine this is something Masai would do.

Agreed. Haven't heard much about BKN trying to grab #3, which is why I figure any iteration would have #3 coming to the Raps. And tbh, if we're in the dynasty building business, and/or trying to find that #1 option, grabbing those picks for OG would be step #1. Imagining someone like Doncic or whoever shakes loose in the future, a Barnes plus those POR (or our) picks could be just the type of package to get that deal done.

Just a fantasy scenario, but imagining we re-sign Trent and Poeltl this offseason, and Doncic demands a trade this season (with the likelihood of Kyrie not returning DAL is completely hamstrung):
We could send Barnes, Trent (Or preferably Boucher+salary), 4 unprotected picks plus swaps (should be possible) for Doncic. I imagine that's as good a deal as anyone could offer.

Tor: Doncic/Trent/MLE/Siakam/Poeltl, Achiuwa 6th. It's not QUITE a chip contender, but damn is it close.

It's not a beautiful or clear plan, and it's highhhhly unlikely, but it does provide us a roadmap to getting a superstar without tanking...

Would I rather move OG for Scoot? Sure, it gives more immediate fit and helps the anti-2024 tank, but moving him for picks might be the type of move that produces dividends down the road. That said, we're historically a more risk averse trade partner, so I can't see Masai taking that type of deal. It might be something that MLSE, a rock solid owner that has the benefit of looking years into the future, should consider though.

[grant101]

Well I mean, how many future 1sts is POR trading? lol.

Technically speaking it would be this:
To BKN: Simons, Little, '26 unprotected 1st, '28 unprotected 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Nurkic, #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton

This works in the simulator. You can fiddle with the picks however you like, as long as TOR gets #3. I imagine we'd look for some 2nds and whatever swap(s) BKN doesn't receive, for taking on Nurkic's deal. 4 years of Nurk is kinda rough.

If enough picks convey to BKN, I could kinda see them going for it? Maybe? They'd be super loaded with future picks to make the next big star deal. I think TOR would go for it too if we get some additional compensation for taking on Nurk. But then we let Poeltl walk? I dno.

Another iteration/idea is that they involve Grant in a S&T, probably to BKN, but might work to TOR as well but we'd prob need to add salary:

To BKN: S&T Grant, Little, '26 1st, '28 1st, +swaps?
To TOR: Simons, #3
or
To BKN Simons, Little, picks
To TOR: S&T Grant #3
To POR: OG, Bridges, Claxton, OPJ/Flynn/whatever salary ballast

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah, it would have to be the 3 going to the Nets. We’d be getting OG for #24, Blazers 26,28,30, Little, Thybulle(sign and trade)
A load of unprotected Blazers picks is tempting but O can’t imagine this is something Masai would do.

If Portland is willing to make those picks unprotected, you take that and run. 4 frp and two potential rotation players is incredible value! 2026 is also the Cooper Flagg draft

[Zeno]

Bridges has way more value than that. He's locked up for another 3 years at a great contract and he's upped his game. They're not trading him for Portland's scraps.

Yeah, it would have to be the 3 going to the Nets. We’d be getting OG for #24, Blazers 26,28,30, Little, Thybulle(sign and trade)
A load of unprotected Blazers picks is tempting but O can’t imagine this is something Masai would do.

Agreed. Haven't heard much about BKN trying to grab #3, which is why I figure any iteration would have #3 coming to the Raps. And tbh, if we're in the dynasty building business, and/or trying to find that #1 option, grabbing those picks for OG would be step #1. Imagining someone like Doncic or whatever shakes loose in the future, a Barnes plus those POR (or our) picks could be just the type of package to get that deal done.

Okay I got a trade in the checker I would agree to lol.

Nets trade: Claxton, Bridges
Nets get: Simons, Nurkic, #3

Portland trades: Simons, Nurkic, #3,#23, 2026 1st, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
Portland gets: Bridges, OG, Claxton

Raps trade: OG
Raps get: Royce O'Neal, #23, 2026 1st, 2028 1st, 2030 1st. we also get a 9 million dollar TPE

[navyblue]

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; otherwise seconds.

[Zeno]

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; otherwise seconds.

So they call them up and remove the protection. Bulls won't say no.