Scoot Henderson

[Upperclass]

Miller being Tatum is laughable. Scoot's closest comparison imo would be young Marbury

[mattao313]

I don't think either is that level of player.

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Scoot's path to getting to a Morant level player is way clearer and more obvious than Miller getting to Tatum level, and I actually have Scoot as a better prospect than Ja coming out.

either way this was never the discussion and the dude is just throwing out random stuff. two completely different players with different skill sets.

This I agree with and I am a Ja stan.

I mean what does this prove? It doesn't mean he'll have the same development path.

People had Jalen Green as a better prospect then Anthony Edward yet Edward's is much better. That statement has no meaning.

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[clyde21]

if Charlotte messes this up just void the new ownership deal and fold the franchise.

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sounds like he measured 6'4" in shoes. that's good size. but it also sounds like they are making up the 6'9" wingspan.

[SeattleJazzFan]

if Charlotte messes this up just void the new ownership deal and fold the franchise.

they won't mess it up - they are taking miller. but i agree, if they do pass on him, just be done with it, sell to a Seattle ownership group and get a teach back there.

[vincecarter4pres]

if Charlotte messes this up just void the new ownership deal and fold the franchise.

they won't mess it up - they are taking miller. but i agree, if they do pass on him, just be done with it, sell to a Seattle ownership group and get a teach back there.

I want to like Miller, really do. But can’t get past the low release, the suspect elevation on his shot, the middling athleticism and lack of a first step and burst, the folding against top competition, too skinny for the 4, the murder thing, the list goes on.

I just see a guy putting up a middling efficient 13/5/2 most of his career on somewhat bad teams. I can see some big raw numbers for a year or two, like OJ Mayo, where he fools people into believing.

[MasterIchiro]

Vecenie - Scoot 2
Wasserman - Scoot 2
Spinella - Scoot 2

Givony? He's just an entertainer at this point over at Entertainment and Sports Programming Network (ESPN).

Smaller outfits are running circles around these guys this cycle.

KOC on the other hand apparantly is just auditioning at this point, associating Scoot with "hype" while ESPN puts Miller on equal ground, as if that is not the pinnacle of hype.

The serious draft people consider Scoot BPA at 2, the ones I trust at least. Vecenie in particular wrote an encyclopedia for a draft guide.

[CP3nthusiast]

Miller doesn't have "a lot of the same skills" as Scoot

I meant to say a 6'9 wing who can handle the ball, shoot, pass and is way more versatile defensively. I'd much rather bet on that guy being the best player on a contender than a 6'3 guard whose calling card is his athleticism, which, in the NBA, doesn't count for very much.

Put it this way - would you rather have Tatum or Morant?

he can't handle or pass anywhere near Scoot, nor is he anywhere near Scoot's archetype and don't play the same position or role. so I still don't know what you mean when you say he has a lot of the same skills.

and even if you compare both to Tatum/Morant, how do Tatum and Morant "have the same skill sets"?

They're both polished offensive players, at least in comparison to the rest of the lottery, who can create offense for themselves and others. Yes, obviously they are different players but the way people talk about BMill here, you'd think he was just a tall slasher with some catch and shoot capabilities and that Scoot was Chris Paul in D-Wade's body.

Make your list of the 10 best players in the NBA right now. How many of those players are guards under 6'6?
Curry is a lock. Lillard has a very strong case. Who's next? Ja Morant? Jamal Murray? Darius Garland? Donovan Mitchell? Trae Young?

Scoot is a hyperathletic 6'3 guard with pretty good but not great finishing, a decent handle, a good mid-range jumpshot, a below average three point jumpshot, good but not great passing and vision, a substandard FTR for a player with his shot profile and an uninspiring in-game IQ. I struggle to see how this guy could be better or more valuable to a championship contender than a 6'9 forward who is a much better shooter, can get to the line at a much higher rate and is really not that far behind with his finishing, handle and passing.

[HiDef]

I meant to say a 6'9 wing who can handle the ball, shoot, pass and is way more versatile defensively. I'd much rather bet on that guy being the best player on a contender than a 6'3 guard whose calling card is his athleticism, which, in the NBA, doesn't count for very much.

Put it this way - would you rather have Tatum or Morant?

he can't handle or pass anywhere near Scoot, nor is he anywhere near Scoot's archetype and don't play the same position or role. so I still don't know what you mean when you say he has a lot of the same skills.

and even if you compare both to Tatum/Morant, how do Tatum and Morant "have the same skill sets"?

They're both polished offensive players, at least in comparison to the rest of the lottery, who can create offense for themselves and others. Yes, obviously they are different players but the way people talk about BMill here, you'd think he was just a tall slasher with some catch and shoot capabilities and that Scoot was Chris Paul in D-Wade's body.

Make your list of the 10 best players in the NBA right now. How many of those players are guards under 6'6?
Curry is a lock. Lillard has a very strong case. Who's next? Ja Morant? Jamal Murray? Darius Garland? Donovan Mitchell? Trae Young?

Scoot is a hyperathletic 6'3 guard with pretty good but not great finishing, a decent handle, a good mid-range jumpshot, a below average three point jumpshot, good but not great passing and vision, a substandard FTR for a player with his shot profile and an uninspiring in-game IQ. I struggle to see how this guy could be better or more valuable to a championship contender than a 6'9 forward who is a much better shooter, can get to the line at a much higher rate and is really not that far behind with his finishing, handle and passing.

I think it's really telling that after all this time, still nobody can make an argument for Miller without saying "he's 6'9"

When Ingram was coming out, we weren't saying "oh **** he's tall." When Tatum came out, it wasn't "oh **** he's tall."

Just a slasher? Miller isn't even a slasher

[Big J]

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How the hell did he go from 6-1 to 6’4? Is he wearing **** ing platforms? Obviously if he grew this changes everything.

[CP3nthusiast]

he can't handle or pass anywhere near Scoot, nor is he anywhere near Scoot's archetype and don't play the same position or role. so I still don't know what you mean when you say he has a lot of the same skills.

and even if you compare both to Tatum/Morant, how do Tatum and Morant "have the same skill sets"?

They're both polished offensive players, at least in comparison to the rest of the lottery, who can create offense for themselves and others. Yes, obviously they are different players but the way people talk about BMill here, you'd think he was just a tall slasher with some catch and shoot capabilities and that Scoot was Chris Paul in D-Wade's body.

Make your list of the 10 best players in the NBA right now. How many of those players are guards under 6'6?
Curry is a lock. Lillard has a very strong case. Who's next? Ja Morant? Jamal Murray? Darius Garland? Donovan Mitchell? Trae Young?

Scoot is a hyperathletic 6'3 guard with pretty good but not great finishing, a decent handle, a good mid-range jumpshot, a below average three point jumpshot, good but not great passing and vision, a substandard FTR for a player with his shot profile and an uninspiring in-game IQ. I struggle to see how this guy could be better or more valuable to a championship contender than a 6'9 forward who is a much better shooter, can get to the line at a much higher rate and is really not that far behind with his finishing, handle and passing.

I think it's really telling that after all this time, still nobody can make an argument for Miller without saying "he's 6'9"

When Ingram was coming out, we weren't saying "oh **** he's tall." When Tatum came out, it wasn't "oh **** he's tall."

Just a slasher? Miller isn't even a slasher

Yes, size does matter in the NBA

[Duke4life831]

I meant to say a 6'9 wing who can handle the ball, shoot, pass and is way more versatile defensively. I'd much rather bet on that guy being the best player on a contender than a 6'3 guard whose calling card is his athleticism, which, in the NBA, doesn't count for very much.

Put it this way - would you rather have Tatum or Morant?

he can't handle or pass anywhere near Scoot, nor is he anywhere near Scoot's archetype and don't play the same position or role. so I still don't know what you mean when you say he has a lot of the same skills.

and even if you compare both to Tatum/Morant, how do Tatum and Morant "have the same skill sets"?

They're both polished offensive players, at least in comparison to the rest of the lottery, who can create offense for themselves and others. Yes, obviously they are different players but the way people talk about BMill here, you'd think he was just a tall slasher with some catch and shoot capabilities and that Scoot was Chris Paul in D-Wade's body.

Make your list of the 10 best players in the NBA right now. How many of those players are guards under 6'6?
Curry is a lock. Lillard has a very strong case. Who's next? Ja Morant? Jamal Murray? Darius Garland? Donovan Mitchell? Trae Young?

Scoot is a hyperathletic 6'3 guard with pretty good but not great finishing, a decent handle, a good mid-range jumpshot, a below average three point jumpshot, good but not great passing and vision, a substandard FTR for a player with his shot profile and an uninspiring in-game IQ. I struggle to see how this guy could be better or more valuable to a championship contender than a 6'9 forward who is a much better shooter, can get to the line at a much higher rate and is really not that far behind with his finishing, handle and passing.

But I mean if we go by this standard, how many 6'9 wings that are at best average athletes (I think Miller will be a below average athlete for NBA starting wing, but we can give him average for this argument) are in the top 10 for the NBA?

You can say Tatum maybe, but Tatum is still the better athlete and the much better frame. Looking at the past All NBA teams, I see a lot more 6'6 or smaller guards on those teams than average athletic wings. And even if we get past the top 10 guys, how far down the list do you have to go to find the next average athletic wing? Ingram? Ingram is a lot longer (and has a jumper that uses his length) and he has a pretty elite skill set on offense. Not sure Im sold on Miller matching BI's total offensive skill set. But even if he does, no one is claiming BI to be a top 10 player in the game.

[clyde21]

can we stop comparing every 6-9 guy that can semi shoot and dribble to Tatum? there is a reason there is only 1 Tatum and a dozen Jeff Greens.

[Big J]

can we stop comparing every 6-9 guy that can semi shoot and dribble to Tatum? there is a reason there is only 1 Tatum and a dozen Jeff Greens.

Paul George?

[The-Power]

can we stop comparing every 6-9 guy that can semi shoot and dribble to Tatum? there is a reason there is only 1 Tatum and a dozen Jeff Greens.

But you did compare Jabari Smith to Tatum, and you also acknowledged that you can see that comparison for GG Jackson. Seems like everyone should be allowed to get their crack at the Tatum-comparison, and I think Miller is closer to Tatum than the aforementioned Smith and Jackson (even though there are still very obvious differences).

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sounds like he measured 6'4" in shoes. that's good size. but it also sounds like they are making up the 6'9" wingspan.

there's a video of Scoot and Steph shooting and he clearly looks shorter than Steph who is 6'3" in sneakers so the 6'4" measurement, like most of these "official" measurements, is likely completely b.s. He's probably sub 6'1" in socks. It's not ideal and it's this along with his shooting woes that made me drop him from #2.

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sounds like he measured 6'4" in shoes. that's good size. but it also sounds like they are making up the 6'9" wingspan.

there's a video of Scoot and Steph shooting and he clearly looks shorter than Steph who is 6'3" in sneakers so the 6'4" measurement, like most of these "official" measurements, is likely completely b.s. He's probably sub 6'1" in socks. It's not ideal and it's this along with his shooting woes that made me drop him from #2.

If Scoot were truly 6'4" tall in (regular) shoes, I doubt he skips the combine measurements.

[clyde21]

can we stop comparing every 6-9 guy that can semi shoot and dribble to Tatum? there is a reason there is only 1 Tatum and a dozen Jeff Greens.

But you did compare Jabari Smith to Tatum, and you also acknowledged that you can see that comparison for GG Jackson. Seems like everyone should be allowed to get their crack at the Tatum-comparison, and I think Miller is closer to Tatum than the aforementioned Smith and Jackson (even though there are still very obvious differences).

and I shouldn't have comp'd Jabari to Tatum, Jabari is actually a 4/5 while Tatum is a 3/4

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sounds like he measured 6'4" in shoes. that's good size. but it also sounds like they are making up the 6'9" wingspan.

there's a video of Scoot and Steph shooting and he clearly looks shorter than Steph who is 6'3" in sneakers so the 6'4" measurement, like most of these "official" measurements, is likely completely b.s. He's probably sub 6'1" in socks. It's not ideal and it's this along with his shooting woes that made me drop him from #2.

i watched that vid a bunch of times and didn't see them next to each other at all, do you have a pic?