Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[D21]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

[Jamaaliver]

Thoughts? That 2029 Lakers 1st Rounder would be a straight up lottery ticket.
Could be a gamechanger or could be absolute garbage.

[jayu70]

Question: who's gonna get these guys the ball when teams triple team Trae? Who's gonna run the offense?.I've seen.this movie before.
Not saying Murray was perfect, but against Miami in particular they were unable to overload the defense vs Trae with Murray available.
Are we trying to actually be a better team and be top 4 in the easy win or just reduce pay role and keep resetting the timeline by getting younger?
Ressler was unhappy with another play-in year, I don't think he wants that for a 3rd consecutive year.

[Jamaaliver]

Question: who's gonna get these guys the ball when teams triple team Trae? Who's gonna run the offense?.I've seen.this movie before.
Not saying Murray was perfect, but against Miami in particular they were unable to overload the defense vs Trae with Murray available.
Are we trying to actually be a better team and be top 4 in the easy win or just reduce pay role and keep resetting the timeline by getting younger?
Ressler was unhappy with another play-in year, I don't think he wants that for a 3rd consecutive year.

I mean, there are other Guards in the league available this summer.

And if our other 4 starters can't consistently score the ball when playing 4-on-2, we have bigger problems than just the fit between Trae and DeJounte.



NOTE: Why are we so concerned about making the top-4 next year? What are we afraid of should we come in at #5? Ressler's already changed the GM, the coach and half our roster.

[jayu70]

Question: who's gonna get these guys the ball when teams triple team Trae? Who's gonna run the offense?.I've seen.this movie before.
Not saying Murray was perfect, but against Miami in particular they were unable to overload the defense vs Trae with Murray available.
Are we trying to actually be a better team and be top 4 in the easy win or just reduce pay role and keep resetting the timeline by getting younger?
Ressler was unhappy with another play-in year, I don't think he wants that for a 3rd consecutive year.

I mean, there are other Guards in the league available this summer.

And if our other 4 starters can't consistently score the ball when playing 4-on-2, we have bigger problems than just the fit between Trae and DeJounte.



NOTE: Why are we so concerned about making the top-4 next year? What are we afraid of should we come in at #5? Ressler's already changed the GM, the coach and half our roster.

Pick one and how much are you paying them.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-shooting-guards/
Edit: Trading Murray in a pick centric deal still doesn't give us any real free agent money to spend on these FAs.
I'm more concerned about avoiding the play-in for a 3rd consecutive year....top 6.

[jayu70]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

The Turner fit with Collins yes.
Didn't we just give up a Buddy like player in Huerter for DJ since he offered more than just floor spacing?
I think the main issue we had was Trae and JCs 3pt shooting drop off under Nate.

[Jamaaliver]

Pick one and how much are you paying them.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-shooting-guards/
Edit: Trading Murray in a pick centric deal still doesn't give us any real free agent money to spend on these FAs.
I'm more concerned about avoiding the play-in for a 3rd consecutive year....top 6.

Jayu, I promise that the Hawks will survive DeJounte Murray's eventual departure. He is eminently replaceable.

There are dozens of SGs/SFs around the NBA who could serve as secondary creator next to Trae.

Spoiler:

• Bogdan Bogdanovic
• AJ Griffin
• Paul George
• Norm Powell
• Anfernee Simons
• Caris Levert
• Spencer Dinwiddie
• Alec Burks
• Russ Westbrook
• D'Angelo Russell
• Markelle Fultz
• Cole Anthony
• Tim Hardaway Jr.
• Tyler Herro
• Chris Duarte
• Delon Wright
• Kyle Anderson
• Deni Avdija
• Nickeil Alexander-Walker
• Cory Joseph
• Gabe Vincent
• Coby White
• Trey Murphy III
• Landry Shamet
• Terrence Ross

NOTE: I understand wanting to avoid the Play-In. That's a worthy and realistic goal. But it won't really matter if we get a top-4 seed and lose in the first round of the playoffs again. Milwaukee, Cleveland, Sacramento, Memphis all had top-4 seeding, each were eliminated in the first round.

We need to load up for a deep playoff run while remaining competitive. I'm just not sure DeJounte is a necessary piece to keep around...mainly cause he's never made it out of the first round himself.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Question: who's gonna get these guys the ball when teams triple team Trae? Who's gonna run the offense?.I've seen.this movie before.
Not saying Murray was perfect, but against Miami in particular they were unable to overload the defense vs Trae with Murray available.
Are we trying to actually be a better team and be top 4 in the easy win or just reduce pay role and keep resetting the timeline by getting younger?
Ressler was unhappy with another play-in year, I don't think he wants that for a 3rd consecutive year.

NOTE: Why are we so concerned about making the top-4 next year? What are we afraid of should we come in at #5? Ressler's already changed the GM, the coach and half our roster.

I think the general idea is to be amongst the other contenders in the East. Typically the bottom 4 teams in the playoffs in each conference are easy licks. Our last 2 playoff exits have shown just that. So hopefully by being top 4, our team as a whole will look the part of a strong team to make a Finals run.

That's assuming the East doesn't fall of a cliff as a whole that is. If we're better than Philly or Boston or Milwaukee, then odds are, we probably have the talent to really go to battle deep into the playoffs instead of getting rolled in the first round with 1 win.

Problem is, we lack that kind of talent right now(or at least it hasn't shown it's face for us yet), and we're not in the best position to really do much to upgrade the roster appropriately. Going after Murray was the right move, but Murray only solved some of our issues. We still lack a real threat in the frontcourt. Trading Cap and starting OO is such a lateral move to the point where it's almost a downgrade considering we will lose the ability to have a strong defender and rebounder coming off the bench.

[jayu70]

Pick one and how much are you paying them.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-shooting-guards/
Edit: Trading Murray in a pick centric deal still doesn't give us any real free agent money to spend on these FAs.
I'm more concerned about avoiding the play-in for a 3rd consecutive year....top 6.

Jayu, I promise that the Hawks will survive DeJounte Murray's eventual departure. He is eminently replaceable.

There are dozens of SGs/SFs around the NBA who could serve as secondary creator next to Trae.

Spoiler:

• Bogdan Bogdanovic
• AJ Griffin
• Paul George
• Norm Powell
• Anfernee Simons
• Caris Levert
• Spencer Dinwiddie
• Alec Burks
• Russ Westbrook
• D'Angelo Russell
• Markelle Fultz
• Cole Anthony
• Tim Hardaway Jr.
• Tyler Herro
• Chris Duarte
• Delon Wright
• Kyle Anderson
• Deni Avdija
• Nickeil Alexander-Walker
• Cory Joseph
• Gabe Vincent
• Coby White
• Trey Murphy III
• Landry Shamet
• Terrence Ross

NOTE: I understand wanting to avoid the Play-In. That's a worthy and realistic goal. But it won't really matter if we get a top-4 seed and lose in the first round of the playoffs again. Milwaukee, Cleveland, Sacramento, Memphis all had top-4 seeding, each were eliminated in the first round.

We need to load up for a deep playoff run while remaining competitive. I'm just not sure DeJounte is a necessary piece to keep around...mainly cause he's never made it out of the first round himself.

I'm not saying we won't survive, but who wants to only survive. I want us to thrive....some of these suggested trades 'Is Not the Way'

[D21]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

The Turner fit with Collins yes.
Didn't we just give up a Buddy like player in Huerter for DJ since he offered more than just floor spacing?
I think the main issue we had was Trae and JCs 3pt shooting drop off under Nate.

Note that I want more spacing from the C spot, more than from any other spot. I would only take Hield if he has to be part of a Turner trade, but it's not a problem for me, Hield was on the same impact than Murray now that he played with a great PG

Now, Murray brought more than floor spacing, yes, but for what result?
First I, that's right, he brought other things, but we had less spacing after loosing Huerter and Gallo (which was a adjusted later with the Bey trade).
But he brought other for what? Having a backcourt looking better in the playoffs than last in 2022?
What I saw is that the four games they lost Vs BOS, both Trae and Murray took almost 45 shots per game, the ball didn't move enough, and the team was dominated the most when they were playing
The two wins? one they shots far better than the in the four L, and the other game was without Murray and they won

Yes, I know, they just had to shoot 10/29 instead of 5/29 in the first game and they could have been at 3-3 instead of 2-4, there didn't get crushed, but the problem is here: is it normal that these Klutch Sports pair took 45 shots per game and ended up having two of the worst Net rating if the team (with Capela between the two, and Bey even worse).
It's our bench guys and Collins who kept ATL in the game


If Quin try to rebuilt a UTA team with Capela instead of Gobert, and with Trae+Murray instead of Conley+Mitchell, the problem will be that Conley was a great defender, he was setting the defense of UTA, while Trae is not as good even if better on offense, and Murray is great at defending on PG, we saw that is was not against good SG

I'm OK with trying with Murray, I've added him in the trade because it would be easier to convince IND to swap Turner for Capela, even if it may require a third team.
But we play with Trae and Murray, the first thing I would change is getting a C that can shoot 3s, because in this case, there's also no need to trade Collins, he would be all over the place with a C able to go outside and defense needing to follow this guy.

[HMFFL]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

Yes, both Indy players are very underrated. If healthy Buddy is playing! He's played 80 or more games in a season five times in his career.

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[D21]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

Yes, both Indy players are very underrated. If healthy Buddy is playing! He's played 80 or more games in a season five times in his career.

This exactly the point that made me think that I would have no problem if we need to receive Hield in a Turner trade, we got so many injuries these last three season (less this last one though) that a guy that can play at good level and stay healthy is welcome.
Checking some stats, I saw that Hield has almost the same Real Plus/Minus than Murray, and among the Top SGs, Murray is 3rd and Hield 4th at Defensive RPM
Compared to playing Murray at SG, we would not lose a lot of defense, but offense might be better.
But losing Murray, a good PG backup would be needed (at the same time, the team was not so good with Murray at PG this season)

[atlantabbq99]

I'm okay with Turner but just to let Hawks fans know, Pacers fans get really annoyed and frustrated how bad of a rebounder Myles is. He is basically ranked last place among all starting centers when it comes to rebounding.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I'm okay with Turner but just to let Hawks fans know, Pacers fans get really annoyed and frustrated how bad of a rebounder Myles is. He is basically ranked last place among all starting centers when it comes to rebounding.

Which is why I don't tget the infatuation with him. We barely rebound enough with Clint. Replacing him just for a shooter at the 5 will tank that even more. I've said it before, but trading Clint will hurt a lot more than people anticipate.

[jayu70]

Pick one and how much are you paying them.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-shooting-guards/
Edit: Trading Murray in a pick centric deal still doesn't give us any real free agent money to spend on these FAs.
I'm more concerned about avoiding the play-in for a 3rd consecutive year....top 6.

Jayu, I promise that the Hawks will survive DeJounte Murray's eventual departure. He is eminently replaceable.

There are dozens of SGs/SFs around the NBA who could serve as secondary creator next to Trae.
There are dozens of SGs/SFs around the NBA who could serve as secondary creator next to Trae.
Spoiler:
Bogdan Bogdanovic
AJ Griffin
Paul George
Norm Powell
Anfernee Simons
Caris Levert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Alec Burks
Russ Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell
Markelle Fultz
Cole Anthony
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Tyler Herro
Chris Duarte
Delon Wright
Kyle Anderson
Deni Avdija
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Cory Joseph
Gabe Vincent
Coby White
Trey Murphy III
Landry Shamet
Terrence Ross

Aren't we trying to add Stars/Allstars to this team? Or even projected ones....someone better than Murray at least. More talented, not less.
Some of these are interesting, some are curious and most are 'underwhelming' Cory Joseph? Really?
The idea to me is to get a guy that can get his own shot, facilitate the offense, defend and play alongside and without Trae.

[HMFFL]

I would clearly prefer this one (if IND thinks they can use Murray with Haliburton, or finding a third team to send Murray and make IND get what they prefer)

We would get more defense and a real 3pts shooting C with Turner, and Hield would be a better fit with Trae than Murray.
And an important point, John would get so much easy plays with a C that can spread the floor, making him a better player that the team need, or even they want to trade him later, he would increase his value a lot
I'm ready to add Bey to convince IND, as even if Ressler agrees to pay the Tax, I'm not sure he's ready to extend Okongwu+Bey (starting only in 2024-25)

Yes, both Indy players are very underrated. If healthy Buddy is playing! He's played 80 or more games in a season five times in his career.

This exactly the point that made me think that I would have no problem if we need to receive Hield in a Turner trade, we got so many injuries these last three season (less this last one though) that a guy that can play at good level and stay healthy is welcome.
Checking some stats, I saw that Hield has almost the same Real Plus/Minus than Murray, and among the Top SGs, Murray is 3rd and Hield 4th at Defensive RPM
Compared to playing Murray at SG, we would not lose a lot of defense, but offense might be better.
But losing Murray, a good PG backup would be needed (at the same time, the team was not so good with Murray at PG this season)

I would just focus on Buddy and his $18.5 million expiring contract. I won't ever forget the high praise Kobe Bryant had of Buddy and there are plenty of YouTube videos that back it. Now, 31 years of age, Buddy is by no means an elite talent, but he's exactly what we need.

John Collins
CC
Bogdan
De'Andre Hunter

All of those guys will make more money than Buddy. Buddy came in #2 with 288 three pointers made. Trade and extend him and hookup the two Sooner, Trae Young, and Buddy to be a force.

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[Jamaaliver]

Aren't we trying to add Stars/Allstars to this team? Or even projected ones....someone better than Murray at least. More talented, not less.

Some of these are interesting, some are curious and most are 'underwhelming' Cory Joseph? Really?
The idea to me is to get a guy that can get his own shot, facilitate the offense, defend and play alongside and without Trae.

Yes.

But, I don't believe that Star/All Star needs to play the SG position, though. (I believe the ideal backcourt mate is an elite 3 & D SG, like what Klay has been for Steph.)

I also don't know if the path to acquiring that player is a one-move play that happens this summer. Locking into a long term, overpriced deal for DeJounte is an understandable approach, but it seems likely to leave us in a similar lurch like we are with Collins right now: Paying drastically more money for an ill-fitting player with declining production.

The suggested deal above keeps us competitive, provides depth and adds two long term assets to our treasure chest in our quest to add another star to our roster.

It ain't perfect, but it's a solid first move that doesn't see us commit huge long term money to a role player and a limited, fringe all star.

[GTR11]

Hello guys coming here to share my trade idea and would like to hear your takes on it. It's just after reading few rumors I connected the dots and was thinking about this trade:

BK send -> Cam Johnson, DFS and 21 with 22 picks.
BK get -> Bey and 7th pick

Indy send -> 7th pick
Indy get -> Collins, CamJ and 22 BK pick

ATL send -> Bey and Collins
ATL get -> DFS and 21 pick PHX

Trade machine says it works and you guys will be shedding 16m of your cap. Also getting experienced 3&D guy on amazing contract. Thoughts?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hello guys coming here to share my trade idea and would like to hear your takes on it. It's just after reading few rumors I connected the dots and was thinking about this trade:

BK send -> Cam Johnson, DFS and 21 with 22 picks.
BK get -> Bey and 7th pick

Indy send -> 7th pick
Indy get -> Collins, CamJ and 22 BK pick

ATL send -> Bey and Collins
ATL get -> DFS and 21 pick PHX

Trade machine says it works and you guys will be shedding 16m of your cap. Also getting experienced 3&D guy on amazing contract. Thoughts?

Looks good to me. DFS is versatile enough to defend 4's, and the 21 pick for the 5 2nds we gave up is more than enough to replace Bey

[dms269]

Hello guys coming here to share my trade idea and would like to hear your takes on it. It's just after reading few rumors I connected the dots and was thinking about this trade:

BK send -> Cam Johnson, DFS and 21 with 22 picks.
BK get -> Bey and 7th pick

Indy send -> 7th pick
Indy get -> Collins, CamJ and 22 BK pick

ATL send -> Bey and Collins
ATL get -> DFS and 21 pick PHX

Trade machine says it works and you guys will be shedding 16m of your cap. Also getting experienced 3&D guy on amazing contract. Thoughts?

it's fine, though I figure that neither the nets or pacers would like it.

I for one am not a major fan of DFS. He is a 3&D what has seen a massive regression in his 3 and outside of that is awful on offense. His lack of the ability to rebound, paired with planning next to Hunter worries me.