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2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1901 » by deeps6x » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:37 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:Cason Wallace


Jordan Hawkins


Still my two favourites.


I'm still hoping Wallace is available at #13.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1902 » by Psubs » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:46 pm

deeps6x wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:Cason Wallace


Jordan Hawkins


Still my two favourites.


I'm still hoping Wallace is available at #13.


C-Wall, can't breach the Sea Wall. :nod:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/video/raptors-no-13-pick-why-195717692.html

Tight handle, good footwork, a paint presence in the sense that he knows how to make that kick pass, he knows exactly where it has to go. He's pretty damn good. You bring him into your roster and your lineup and your team, you're going to be like, OK, this kid, he's wise beyond his years here.


I guess Keyonte George has more "potential" than Cason, but Cason might help you win more than another chucker. Like a shorter Kelly Oubre, who's putting up like 20ppg but doesn't help you win.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1903 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:59 pm

Gotta trust them Kentucky guards. Hopefully his back isn't as cooked as some people are making it out to be.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1905 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:36 pm

There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1906 » by grant101 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:01 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1907 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:07 pm

grant101 wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


I'd be so down to move back take Podz and then grab Utah's late 1st for Masai to work his magic with.
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Post#1908 » by HangTime » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:27 pm

grant101 wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


Maybe they don't like him.
It could be part of their plan. Hope some team takes him, which would let another player drop to them at 16.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1909 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:28 pm

We need Wutang to go find out the rate of saxophone players who pan out in the NBA because Cam Whitmore, Cason Wallace and Max Lewis all play the sax. Possibly even more.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1910 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:28 pm

grant101 wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


Brought it up earlier.

13 for 16/28.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1911 » by grant101 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:30 pm

HangTime wrote:
grant101 wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


Maybe they don't like him.
It could be part of their plan. Hope some team takes him, which would let another player drop to them at 16.


That's why you only threaten to take George and see if Utah blinks...unless of course the Raps are fans of Keyonte
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1912 » by Yallbecrazy » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:36 pm

grant101 wrote:
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grant101 wrote:
Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


Maybe they don't like him.
It could be part of their plan. Hope some team takes him, which would let another player drop to them at 16.


That's why you only threaten to take George and see if Utah blinks...unless of course the Raps are fans of Keyonte


I think we would need NO or Atlanta to threaten to take George (although Utah is probably smokescreening themselves) to swing that trade.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1913 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:54 pm

Anthony Black is such a polarizing prospect. He's a legitimate point guard, not just some big athlete who teams want to experiment with as a guard, he has the skills and feel of a true floor general. When he's locked in on defense he looks like he has all-nba defense potential and he makes super quick passes and reads as a connector. He's much more of a connector than a guy who is going to draw defenders in and create space for his teammates but he's lightning quick in that regard. Very good in transition. Good positional rebounder. He's gritty, highly energetic and fights for loose balls. Can bang down low in mismatches and get to the stripe.

Absolutely everything is in place in terms of what you'd look for in a prospect you're hoping will be a future all-star except for his self-creation and shooting.

So the question is, if the self-creation and shooting never get to an average level for a starting NBA guard, what do you have in him? Can his deficiencies be masked by who you surround him with? Is he so good in every other regard that it won't even matter and he'll still provide incredible value on the floor?

Or is his horrendous shooting and ability to separate going to prove to be a liability at the highest level, where NBA teams will know how to play him and his value on the floor will decrease especially come playoff time when teams really focus on exposing their opponents' weaknesses.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1914 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:06 pm

grant101 wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:There were rumors the Jazz are really interested in Keyonte if he's still on the board after their first selection.


Interesting! Depending on how the board falls, I'd be very interested in dropping back to 16 and trying to squeeze a future 1st out of the Jazz by threatening to take George


Ainge smokescreening to get the Wiz to think of him as a Beal replacement so they can get Black.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1915 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:08 pm

Anthony Black shot 28 of 93 from 3. Let's add 5 made 3s to that. All of sudden, his 3 pt% goes from 30.1 to 35.5. Many past players drafted high went on to be decent perimeter shooters while having around a 30% 3 pt shot college. Lot of the college stats are small samples, lot of them are conference/teammate/situation/etc dependent. I think his form wasn't the greatest but projecting these kind of players is tough.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1916 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:22 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Anthony Black shot 28 of 93 from 3. Let's add 5 made 3s to that. All of sudden, his 3 pt% goes from 30.1 to 35.5. Many past players drafted high went on to be decent perimeter shooters while having around a 30% 3 pt shot college. Lot of the college stats are small samples, lot of them are conference/teammate/situation/etc dependent. I think his form wasn't the greatest but projecting these kind of players is tough.


But against top 50 competition he shot 17.5% from deep and I can't remember what that number was against top 100 competition but it was in the low 20s I think maybe 22-23%?

Honestly you can make the comparison between a guy like him and Scottie Barnes as guys who fill it up everywhere but have offensive concerns that can possibly be worked out. I would argue it's more important for a guard to be able to space the floor especially if he's operating on-ball at the top of the arc so often but I guess Black should be viewed in a similar light as Scottie was coming out of college.

I guess for Black I should ask myself what is Scottie going to be if his offensive ceiling stalls and it seems like his floor is still a quality NBA-starter due to what he can do in transition, as a facilitator in the halfcourt, rebounding, defending, etc...
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1917 » by Son Goku 25 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm

Raptor players in this draft in our range:

Ant Black
Cason
Bilal
L Miller
Sidy
Bufkin?

Wouldn't be surprised if we take one of those with 13th pick or more potentially with trades.
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