Shams: Suns and Heat Finalist for Beal

[Texas Chuck]

Lol everyone who said Tobias/melton/first wasn’t in the ballpark that would be the best offer right now if morey woke up

LOL that wasn't a real talking point here. So take the unrelated Sixers persecution posts elsewhere please. This board has consistently said that Washington is going to settle for largely financial relief or going to have to take back some ugly money to get a meaningful asset. An exception was not carved out that said except for Philly who has to provide both.

This board is better when we don't create these kinds of narratives.

[jayjaysee]

Lol everyone who said Tobias/melton/first wasn’t in the ballpark that would be the best offer right now if morey woke up

Probably Morey doesn’t want to sign up for that contract before knowing if Harden is staying? Maybe Morey just doesn’t want to sign up for that contract at all.

If Harden leaves, I’d much rather be in a position to have max cap space next summer with Joel/Maxey than have Joel/Beal..

If Harden stays, Beal isn’t really the best fit with him anyways.

[Texas Chuck]

I think this trade ends up being CP (fully guaranteed) and Shamet.

If Beal is really demanding Ayton not be in the real? It’s clear Phoenix is his preferred and he can just block any potential Miami deal.

Up to the Wiz GM to figure out how much he wants off that contract. If hes willing to accept a salary dump. He just might be

I imagine its the Wizards more than Beal who would rather have Paul than Ayton. Then just buy out Paul. No reason at all for the Wizards finally get off the Beal money just to saddle themselves with Ayton's deal.

[jredsaz]

Heat with the better offer. Probably up to Beal: would assume PHX swap or two would have to be involved if he decides on the desert over south beach.

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[NCHeels2008]

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Wizards really about to just salary dump Beal, huh?

lmao Wizards fans on this board last week "if its a salary dump we will just keep him"

[jredsaz]

Lol everyone who said Tobias/melton/first wasn’t in the ballpark that would be the best offer right now if morey woke up

Looks like Beal is ready for warm winter weather.

[facothomas22]

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Yeah I like this deal better for Wiz.

Lowry, Oladipo, Jovic, 18, MIA27FRP

That's the winning package if offered by Heat. Wiz get expirings and a couple young players next season. They tank hard.

Only way they take Ayton is if they really believe he could expand his game on another team

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I think the Suns offer will be straight salary dump. Like I said in an earlier post, Washington can operate below the cap easily. If they don’t need to aggregate the salary they can take back CP with o my $15.8M guaranteed. Waive home and see if there is anything available for Shamet. Saves them over $20M this season and $160M Over the next three years.

This would a historically bad return if Paul/Shamet for Beal trade happens. They would be better off simply keep Bradley Beal and maybe trade him down the line when there's less years left on his contract. I have to think this may be leverage play to order to get more from the Heat. Ether way, this should be a huge lesson to every team in the NBA. Don't massively overpay for 2nd and 3rd tier stars, while also giving them no trade clauses.

[Texas Chuck]

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Wizards really about to just salary dump Beal, huh?

lmao Wizards fans on this board last week "if its a salary dump we will just keep him"

Again stop with the generalzing please. And this is every fanbase btw. Give us the value we want or we won't trade you our guy. This is going to shock you, but none of us are decision makers.

[MoneyTalks41890]

No chance Philly swoops in here with Harris and Maxey?

[babyjax13]

Heat with the better offer. Probably up to Beal: would assume PHX swap or two would have to be involved if he decides on the desert over south beach.

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If Miami can keep Herro that is a mean backcourt:

SF: Butler
SG: Beal
PG: Herro

They'll have to sort out power forward (a defender), but with Bam that makes them a team with a devastating selection of offensive options.

[gom]

I am conflicted. On the one hand I hope the Suns save the Heat from themselves. On the other, I really like replacing Max Strus with Bradley Beal for next postseason. I'm fine with Martin, Highsmith, and Jovic off the bench at forward. Maybe keep Love and resign Martin and go.

[hoosierdaddy34]

I think this trade ends up being CP (fully guaranteed) and Shamet.

If Beal is really demanding Ayton not be in the real? It’s clear Phoenix is his preferred and he can just block any potential Miami deal.

Up to the Wiz GM to figure out how much he wants off that contract. If hes willing to accept a salary dump. He just might be

I imagine its the Wizards more than Beal who would rather have Paul than Ayton. Then just buy out Paul. No reason at all for the Wizards finally get off the Beal money just to saddle themselves with Ayton's deal.

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

[hoosierdaddy34]

No chance Philly swoops in here with Harris and Maxey?

It all comes down to where Beal wants to go. If he has t ok’d a trade to your destination then there is no point offering

[mademan]

I think this trade ends up being CP (fully guaranteed) and Shamet.

If Beal is really demanding Ayton not be in the real? It’s clear Phoenix is his preferred and he can just block any potential Miami deal.

Up to the Wiz GM to figure out how much he wants off that contract. If hes willing to accept a salary dump. He just might be

I imagine its the Wizards more than Beal who would rather have Paul than Ayton. Then just buy out Paul. No reason at all for the Wizards finally get off the Beal money just to saddle themselves with Ayton's deal.

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

[hoosierdaddy34]

I imagine its the Wizards more than Beal who would rather have Paul than Ayton. Then just buy out Paul. No reason at all for the Wizards finally get off the Beal money just to saddle themselves with Ayton's deal.

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

I don’t think this GM wants anything to do with Beal’s contract.

And I definitely don’t think he wants a malcontent Beal hanging around with that contract.

I think he wants a clean cap slate. I guess Beal is going to test his resolve.

[Texas Chuck]

I imagine its the Wizards more than Beal who would rather have Paul than Ayton. Then just buy out Paul. No reason at all for the Wizards finally get off the Beal money just to saddle themselves with Ayton's deal.

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

Will they? IDK. Would it be a good deal for them? Absolutely I think it would. They are going nowhere with Beal. Clear that money and you can start selling cap space next summer and start building up assets while picking high in the draft. Far better than continuing to throw assets at the mid tier players like they have been and still not being a consistent playoff team.

Not sure what value you think Beal holds on that contract, but I have it as basically none.

[Dadouv47]

I am conflicted. On the one hand I hope the Suns save the Heat from themselves. On the other, I really like replacing Max Strus with Bradley Beal for next postseason. I'm fine with Martin, Highsmith, and Jovic off the bench at forward. Maybe keep Love and resign Martin and go.

As a fan from a team owning 2025 Miami FRP, I wanted Beal to go to the Heat but if the price is so low, it might be good for you guys (even more with dumping some salaries in Lowry and likely Oladipo)

[hoosierdaddy34]

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

Will they? IDK. Would it be a good deal for them? Absolutely I think it would. They are going nowhere with Beal. Clear that money and you can start selling cap space next summer and start building up assets while picking high in the draft. Far better than continuing to throw assets at the mid tier players like they have been and still not being a consistent playoff team.

Not sure what value you think Beal holds on that contract, but I have it as basically none.

At best he has neutral value to some teams, to others Beal and that contract are negative value.

[mademan]

Just going off of what Chris Haynes is saying but yeah, the Wizards may prefer it as well. Which strengthens that argument.

Miami is going to have the better offer but it may not matter if Beal doesn’t agree to it.

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

Will they? IDK. Would it be a good deal for them? Absolutely I think it would. They are going nowhere with Beal. Clear that money and you can start selling cap space next summer and start building up assets while picking high in the draft. Far better than continuing to throw assets at the mid tier players like they have been and still not being a consistent playoff team.

Not sure what value you think Beal holds on that contract, but I have it as basically none.

I dont think Beal holds great value, but he has a star cache and teams want him (because teams always want guys with that cache). Do i think Miami would move 18th and/or Jovic alongside Lowry's expiring for Beal? In a second, imo. The problem for PHX is they cant offer any positive value (and actually negative as Washington would be saddled with Shamet's contract).

[zimpy27]

No chance Philly swoops in here with Harris and Maxey?

That's the only Philly deal that gets them Beal. Embiid has wanted Beal, I feel like if Philly got Beal then Embiid stays after his contract ends.

Had a thread on this but Philly fans are not keen, not even if they took back assets from Wiz like Avdija or Kispert or Wright or Morris.