Shams: Suns and Heat Finalist for Beal

[hoosierdaddy34]

You guys think Washington is gonna trade Beal for what amounts to just cap savings? And not even immediate ones? I mean Washington is gonna want some value, regardless of what Beal is saying, and PHX legit has nothing to offer besides Ayton on value

Will they? IDK. Would it be a good deal for them? Absolutely I think it would. They are going nowhere with Beal. Clear that money and you can start selling cap space next summer and start building up assets while picking high in the draft. Far better than continuing to throw assets at the mid tier players like they have been and still not being a consistent playoff team.

Not sure what value you think Beal holds on that contract, but I have it as basically none.

I dont think Beal holds great value, but he has a star cache and teams want him (because teams always want guys with that cache). Do i think Miami would move 18th and/or Jovic alongside Lowry's expiring for Beal? In a second, imo. The problem for PHX is they cant offer any positive value (and actually negative as Washington would be saddled with Shamet's contract).

Problem is the Wizards surrendered any and all leverage when they foolishly gave him that no trade clause. They made their bed..

[Darthlukey]

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Basically two teams with very little in assets. As I stated in the other thread, his market is very soft.

It's ridiculous, wizards are gonna get reamed by either. Both teams get amazingly better (miami or suns) and pay virtually nothing going out.
Beal is a trash 1st option, but as 1b, 2 or 3 he would be elite

[zimpy27]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

[165bows]

So much for the CBA tempering big spending. Phoenix adding Beal and keeping Ayton or Miami adding him and keeping Herro? $$$$$$

[Scoot McGroot]

So much for the CBA tempering big spending. Phoenix adding Beal and keeping Ayton or Miami adding him and keeping Herro? $$$$$$

How so? If a team wants to spend on luxury tax, then they will. In fact, some might see this as a Phoenix attempt to get out ahead of he new CBA restrictions where they would be severely limited in acquiring talent starting next year, but aren’t limited from now until July 1.

Also, many of he luxury tax penalties don’t get worse until 2024-25. And if Phoenix is willing to fill out the roster with vet minimum guys, they could maybe stay under the apron. If they’re willing to play in that middle ground, hey could stay between the first and second apron’s.

[165bows]

So much for the CBA tempering big spending. Phoenix adding Beal and keeping Ayton or Miami adding him and keeping Herro? $$$$$$

How so? If a team wants to spend on luxury tax, then they will. In fact, some might see this as a Phoenix attempt to get out ahead of he new CBA restrictions where they would be severely limited in acquiring talent starting next year, but aren’t limited from now until July 1.

Also, many of he luxury tax penalties don’t get worse until 2024-25. And if Phoenix is willing to fill out the roster with vet minimum guys, they could maybe stay under the apron. If they’re willing to play in that middle ground, hey could stay between the first and second apron’s.

There hasn’t been volumes of pieces written already saying how the new CBA would inhibit teams accumulating multiple top ticket guys?

Of course there has - anyways I’m with you to some extent, I’ve argued plenty that Celtics should seriously consider just biting the bullet and going into the second apron. Maybe (despite what has been written) teams are more prepared to do so than expected.

[mademan]

Will they? IDK. Would it be a good deal for them? Absolutely I think it would. They are going nowhere with Beal. Clear that money and you can start selling cap space next summer and start building up assets while picking high in the draft. Far better than continuing to throw assets at the mid tier players like they have been and still not being a consistent playoff team.

Not sure what value you think Beal holds on that contract, but I have it as basically none.

I dont think Beal holds great value, but he has a star cache and teams want him (because teams always want guys with that cache). Do i think Miami would move 18th and/or Jovic alongside Lowry's expiring for Beal? In a second, imo. The problem for PHX is they cant offer any positive value (and actually negative as Washington would be saddled with Shamet's contract).

Problem is the Wizards surrendered any and all leverage when they foolishly gave him that no trade clause. They made their bed..

ya, i get that. And im sure they'll work with Beal to get him somewhere he wants, but the trades that PHX can make sans Ayton (if Washington even values Ayton or if a 3rd team would) are more along the lines of the Wizards working for him. Thats just crazy. Miami will offer an expiring of the same size (Lowry) and at the very least some value that PHX just cant match. And even if Miami decided against giving any value, they actually have full expirings for Beal while PHX doesnt.

PHX just doesnt have a place in this deal, and, imo, is just being used to drive up the Beal price. In every way, Miami can offer a better deal, no matter how little that offer might be.

[mademan]

So much for the CBA tempering big spending. Phoenix adding Beal and keeping Ayton or Miami adding him and keeping Herro? $$$$$$

How so? If a team wants to spend on luxury tax, then they will. In fact, some might see this as a Phoenix attempt to get out ahead of he new CBA restrictions where they would be severely limited in acquiring talent starting next year, but aren’t limited from now until July 1.

Also, many of he luxury tax penalties don’t get worse until 2024-25. And if Phoenix is willing to fill out the roster with vet minimum guys, they could maybe stay under the apron. If they’re willing to play in that middle ground, hey could stay between the first and second apron’s.

There hasn’t been volumes of pieces written already saying how the new CBA would inhibit teams accumulating multiple top ticket guys?

Of course there has - anyways I’m with you to some extent, I’ve argued plenty that Celtics should seriously consider just biting the bullet and going into the second apron. Maybe (despite what has been written) teams are more prepared to do so than expected.

It was never eliminating it. It was just making it as disadvantageous as possible. If a team still wants to go the 3 stars route, get hard capped at the 2nd apron and incapable of making future moves, theyre still allowed. It's just very, very, very difficult to be successful doing that.

[165bows]

How so? If a team wants to spend on luxury tax, then they will. In fact, some might see this as a Phoenix attempt to get out ahead of he new CBA restrictions where they would be severely limited in acquiring talent starting next year, but aren’t limited from now until July 1.

Also, many of he luxury tax penalties don’t get worse until 2024-25. And if Phoenix is willing to fill out the roster with vet minimum guys, they could maybe stay under the apron. If they’re willing to play in that middle ground, hey could stay between the first and second apron’s.

There hasn’t been volumes of pieces written already saying how the new CBA would inhibit teams accumulating multiple top ticket guys?

Of course there has - anyways I’m with you to some extent, I’ve argued plenty that Celtics should seriously consider just biting the bullet and going into the second apron. Maybe (despite what has been written) teams are more prepared to do so than expected.

It was never eliminating it. It was just making it as disadvantageous as possible. If a team still wants to go the 3 stars route, get hard capped at the 2nd apron and incapable of making future moves, theyre still allowed. It's just very, very, very difficult to be successful doing that.

Duncan Robinson for Richaun Holmes+ would be an interesting follow up for both teams. Saves a little money for Miami.

[jredsaz]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

Looks like they are waiting on Beal tbh. Mark Stein just had an excellent article on his Substack talking about why the Wiz want to get this finished quickly. I’m guessing it’s up to Beal ultimately.

[Crives]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

Really just comes down to where Beal wants to play actually.

I’m terrified of phx trading for him, if so, that’s it. No more moves to make, for a long time…. Could actually mean phx trading Booker if this falls apart

[Fo-Real]

I would let Beal rot on the bench before I’d trade him for Chris Paul and Landry Shamet.

I would too!!

[jredsaz]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

Really just comes down to where Beal wants to play actually.

I’m terrified of phx trading for him, if so, that’s it. No more moves to make, for a long time…. Could actually mean phx trading Booker if this falls apart

So Stein wrote today that Washington wants to get this done pre-draft so that Miami doesn’t pivot to Dame. Apparently, Miami would prefer Dame and would be willing to give up more to acquire him. But, as of now, Dame is not available. That could change after pick #3 if the Blazers aren’t able to find a legit trade for a star to play next to Dame.

[jredsaz]

I would let Beal rot on the bench before I’d trade him for Chris Paul and Landry Shamet.

I would too!!

I’m not. Get out of the Beal deal with a clean cap sheet moving forward. Not bad, not good either. Just clean.

[zimpy27]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

Really just comes down to where Beal wants to play actually.

I’m terrified of phx trading for him, if so, that’s it. No more moves to make, for a long time…. Could actually mean phx trading Booker if this falls apart

So Stein wrote today that Washington wants to get this done pre-draft so that Miami doesn’t pivot to Dame. Apparently, Miami would prefer Dame and would be willing to give up more to acquire him. But, as of now, Dame is not available. That could change after pick #3 if the Blazers aren’t able to find a legit trade for a star to play next to Dame.

Nets would outcompete Miami in a trade for Lillard anyway. Washington shouldn't worry about that.

[Scoot McGroot]

So much for the CBA tempering big spending. Phoenix adding Beal and keeping Ayton or Miami adding him and keeping Herro? $$$$$$

How so? If a team wants to spend on luxury tax, then they will. In fact, some might see this as a Phoenix attempt to get out ahead of he new CBA restrictions where they would be severely limited in acquiring talent starting next year, but aren’t limited from now until July 1.

Also, many of he luxury tax penalties don’t get worse until 2024-25. And if Phoenix is willing to fill out the roster with vet minimum guys, they could maybe stay under the apron. If they’re willing to play in that middle ground, hey could stay between the first and second apron’s.

There hasn’t been volumes of pieces written already saying how the new CBA would inhibit teams accumulating multiple top ticket guys?

For one, this deal would happen in the old CBA and before the new CBA. For two, I think writers have over exaggerated the restrictions. It won’t stop teams from acquiring talent. It only makes it much harder for teams to add unending salary, unless they’re re signing or extending their own guys.

But mostly, you Can’t stop governors from making stupid moves and spending more than they want to spend, though. This new CBA makes it more painful, but its up to them if its “too painful”.

Of course there has - anyways I’m with you to some extent, I’ve argued plenty that Celtics should seriously consider just biting the bullet and going into the second apron. Maybe (despite what has been written) teams are more prepared to do so than expected.

Long term, the space between the first apron and the second apron is, in just my opinion, likely the sweet space most competing teams will look to occupy.

[zimpy27]

I would let Beal rot on the bench before I’d trade him for Chris Paul and Landry Shamet.

I would too!!

I’m not. Get out of the Beal deal with a clean cap sheet moving forward. Not bad, not good either. Just clean.

It just doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team to care about a clean cap sheet. Makes sense for any other situation. Rebuilding teams often take other teams garbage contracts because it doesn't matter to them.

[jredsaz]

Well another curve ball from the Athletic:

“According to league sources, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the trade talks, Miami would send guards Kyle Lowry and Duncan Robinson, along with multiple first-round picks, to Washington for Beal. Phoenix would send center Deandre Ayton and additional cap filler or include future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul and Landry Shamet to the Wizards for Beal.”

https://theathletic.com/4619216/2023/06/17/bradley-beal-trade-possibilities-wizards-heat-suns/?source=user_shared_article

[Slim Charless]

Seems like this deal is on the table for Beal:

Lowry+Oladipo+18+MIA27FRP


But Wiz are trying to get Herro or a 3rd FRP from the Heat, so they are putting out that they have an enticing deal for Ayton they are thinking about.

Really just comes down to where Beal wants to play actually.

I’m terrified of phx trading for him, if so, that’s it. No more moves to make, for a long time…. Could actually mean phx trading Booker if this falls apart

So Stein wrote today that Washington wants to get this done pre-draft so that Miami doesn’t pivot to Dame. Apparently, Miami would prefer Dame and would be willing to give up more to acquire him. But, as of now, Dame is not available. That could change after pick #3 if the Blazers aren’t able to find a legit trade for a star to play next to Dame.

This is unbelievable. I still think this is a ploy to drum up more value for the Wiz from the Heat. Probably hoping Riley offers another first or Herro. However if this happens......

Not surprising that a number of posters here in the thread don't understand that if Beal comes, Ayton is still here. Which is a HUGE plus as he will still be moved for as many 3&D role players and whatever bigs we can get. Plus I imagine Ish is still planning on buying a pick or come Thursday to get us a few young guys. He's already mentioned that he wants a G-league team in PHX again. This is quite the coup if it happens. All the Ish/JJ haters on our board will be very quiet for once.

[zimpy27]

Well another curve ball from the Athletic:

“According to league sources, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the trade talks, Miami would send guards Kyle Lowry and Duncan Robinson, along with multiple first-round picks, to Washington for Beal. Phoenix would send center Deandre Ayton and additional cap filler or include future Hall of Fame point guard Chris Paul and Landry Shamet to the Wizards for Beal.”

https://theathletic.com/4619216/2023/06/17/bradley-beal-trade-possibilities-wizards-heat-suns/?source=user_shared_article

I think Wright goes out in either deal. Sending Robinson instead of Oladipo puts that in play but it probably costs Miami a little more.