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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#881 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:36 am

Dame Lizard wrote:If Scoot were truly 6'4" tall in (regular) shoes, I doubt he skips the combine measurements.


based on what? top prospects don't measure every single season. last year Jabari, Chet and Paolo all didn't measure. the year before Mobley, Cade, Jalen Green all didn't measure either. did all of these guys have something to hide?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#882 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:42 am

Ill say this, I dont buy any of these late reports about guys heights. Especially if its 2 inches over the height that everyone has been going with for a long time, and its a 2 inch gain in height but no change or update on the wingspan. My guess its just the normal pre draft smoke, either coming from his camp or from Portland or Hornets trying to maybe juice up the trade value.

Also with that said, dont really care that much between a PG being 6'2 and 6'4. Unless we are talking about a Smart/Jrue level of defender where we are talking about him being your primary guy for basically any perimeter player. But hell even with that, Smart measured 6'2 with a 6'9 wingspan at the combine...

Im not projecting Scoot to be an all world versatile defender. He most likely is going to be asked to guard 1s and 2s and I dont think an inch or two will have that big of difference for him. And he should be strong enough and explosive enough where if he plays hard enough on the defensive side he wont get picked on. And on the offensive side he doesnt play like a Luka or Giddey where being 6'7 or 6'8 is a thing. We are talking about an athletic slashing guard. An inch or two aint going to be that big of a difference for his style of play.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#883 » by MemphisX » Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:47 am

I still find it wild that folk watched Scoot and still have doubts. He is such a no-brainer at 2 and only a crazy generational prospect is keeping him from being the runaway #1.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#884 » by Dame Lizard » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:If Scoot were truly 6'4" tall in (regular) shoes, I doubt he skips the combine measurements.


based on what? top prospects don't measure every single season. last year Jabari, Chet and Paolo all didn't measure. the year before Mobley, Cade, Jalen Green all didn't measure either. did all of these guys have something to hide?


I don't really recall anybody questioning Jabari, Chet or Paolo's measurements.

Also, on the flip side, they weren't 'apparently' (let's roll with this rumour) 2 inches taller than the media reports. And in Chet's case, an extra 2inches of height probably would have been viewed negatively.

Tbh I actually think Cade had something to hide. Wasn't the reports saying he was 6'6 or 6'7 (i.e. SF height), while he was more 6'5 ish?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#885 » by Mr Peanut » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:18 pm

MemphisX wrote:I still find it wild that folk watched Scoot and still have doubts. He is such a no-brainer at 2 and only a crazy generational prospect is keeping him from being the runaway #1.


This. The fact that Miller seems to be becoming the consensus #2 is mind blowing to me. Will be interesting looking back on these threads in 5-10 years because I think Scoot is going to have by far the better career and everyone will be wondering why Scoot vs Miller was even a discussion.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#886 » by Braggins » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:28 pm

Its a discussion because the most incompetent franchise in the NBA got the 2nd pick.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#887 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:05 pm

Low shooting % (efg and ts%)
Low FTr and 3PTr
Hight TO (6apg on 3 TO/g?)
101 ORtg only

A lot better than Jaden Ivey?
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#888 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:24 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:If Scoot were truly 6'4" tall in (regular) shoes, I doubt he skips the combine measurements.


based on what? top prospects don't measure every single season. last year Jabari, Chet and Paolo all didn't measure. the year before Mobley, Cade, Jalen Green all didn't measure either. did all of these guys have something to hide?


I don't really recall anybody questioning Jabari, Chet or Paolo's measurements.

Also, on the flip side, they weren't 'apparently' (let's roll with this rumour) 2 inches taller than the media reports. And in Chet's case, an extra 2inches of height probably would have been viewed negatively.

Tbh I actually think Cade had something to hide. Wasn't the reports saying he was 6'6 or 6'7 (i.e. SF height), while he was more 6'5 ish?


only people that don't know what they are talking about are questioning Scoots size.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#889 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:25 pm

76ciology wrote:Low shooting % (efg and ts%)
Low FTr and 3PTr
Hight TO (6apg on 3 TO/g?)
101 ORtg only

A lot better than Jaden Ivey?


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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#890 » by Big J » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:30 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
based on what? top prospects don't measure every single season. last year Jabari, Chet and Paolo all didn't measure. the year before Mobley, Cade, Jalen Green all didn't measure either. did all of these guys have something to hide?


I don't really recall anybody questioning Jabari, Chet or Paolo's measurements.

Also, on the flip side, they weren't 'apparently' (let's roll with this rumour) 2 inches taller than the media reports. And in Chet's case, an extra 2inches of height probably would have been viewed negatively.

Tbh I actually think Cade had something to hide. Wasn't the reports saying he was 6'6 or 6'7 (i.e. SF height), while he was more 6'5 ish?


only people that don't know what they are talking about are questioning Scoots size.


Right, because 3 inches is completely meaningless at all at the highest level.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#891 » by KingCat » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:34 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
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clyde21 wrote:if Charlotte messes this up just void the new ownership deal and fold the franchise.


they won't mess it up - they are taking miller. but i agree, if they do pass on him, just be done with it, sell to a Seattle ownership group and get a teach back there.

I want to like Miller, really do. But can’t get past the low release, the suspect elevation on his shot, the middling athleticism and lack of a first step and burst, the folding against top competition, too skinny for the 4, the murder thing, the list goes on.

I just see a guy putting up a middling efficient 13/5/2 most of his career on somewhat bad teams. I can see some big raw numbers for a year or two, like OJ Mayo, where he fools people into believing.


I'm on the same exact boat. PG 13 is one of my top 3 fav players to watch and when I found out a guy in our range can be the next PG 13, I was pumped...

Sadly I quickly found out there is no way Miller can ever be a PG 13 due to his physical deficiencies. His finesse skills are also incredibly overstated and will need to show a lot of improvement in those areas if it is to become a strength in the NBA.

I know Scoot isn't a perfect prospect, but he gives me much less doubt than Miller.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#892 » by Big J » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:42 pm

KingCat wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
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they won't mess it up - they are taking miller. but i agree, if they do pass on him, just be done with it, sell to a Seattle ownership group and get a teach back there.

I want to like Miller, really do. But can’t get past the low release, the suspect elevation on his shot, the middling athleticism and lack of a first step and burst, the folding against top competition, too skinny for the 4, the murder thing, the list goes on.

I just see a guy putting up a middling efficient 13/5/2 most of his career on somewhat bad teams. I can see some big raw numbers for a year or two, like OJ Mayo, where he fools people into believing.


I'm on the same exact boat. PG 13 is one of my top 3 fav players to watch and when I found out a guy in our range can be the next PG 13, I was pumped...

Sadly I quickly found out there is no way Miller can ever be a PG 13 due to his physical deficiencies. His finesse skills are also incredibly overstated and will need to show a lot of improvement in those areas if it is to become a strength in the NBA.

I know Scoot isn't a perfect prospect, but he gives me much less doubt than Miller.


Scoots ceiling is much lower than Miller's though as a small guard who can't shoot.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#893 » by HiDef » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:38 pm

Big J wrote:
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vincecarter4pres wrote:I want to like Miller, really do. But can’t get past the low release, the suspect elevation on his shot, the middling athleticism and lack of a first step and burst, the folding against top competition, too skinny for the 4, the murder thing, the list goes on.

I just see a guy putting up a middling efficient 13/5/2 most of his career on somewhat bad teams. I can see some big raw numbers for a year or two, like OJ Mayo, where he fools people into believing.


I'm on the same exact boat. PG 13 is one of my top 3 fav players to watch and when I found out a guy in our range can be the next PG 13, I was pumped...

Sadly I quickly found out there is no way Miller can ever be a PG 13 due to his physical deficiencies. His finesse skills are also incredibly overstated and will need to show a lot of improvement in those areas if it is to become a strength in the NBA.

I know Scoot isn't a perfect prospect, but he gives me much less doubt than Miller.


Scoots ceiling is much lower than Miller's though as a small guard who can't shoot.


Scoot can improve his shooting, but will Miller ever be able to finish? He's 39% at the rim in the halfcourt
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Post#894 » by Big J » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:53 pm

HiDef wrote:
Big J wrote:
KingCat wrote:
I'm on the same exact boat. PG 13 is one of my top 3 fav players to watch and when I found out a guy in our range can be the next PG 13, I was pumped...

Sadly I quickly found out there is no way Miller can ever be a PG 13 due to his physical deficiencies. His finesse skills are also incredibly overstated and will need to show a lot of improvement in those areas if it is to become a strength in the NBA.

I know Scoot isn't a perfect prospect, but he gives me much less doubt than Miller.


Scoots ceiling is much lower than Miller's though as a small guard who can't shoot.


Scoot can improve his shooting, but will Miller ever be able to finish? He's 39% at the rim in the halfcourt


Finishing at the rim is one of the first things that guys get better at as they fill out. Scoot is already fully formed physically, but Miller has a ton of room to add bulk.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#895 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:12 pm

Miller doesn’t have a big frame though. Hendricks for example same height looks like he could put on 20 pounds of good muscle.


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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#896 » by HiDef » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:33 am

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
Scoots ceiling is much lower than Miller's though as a small guard who can't shoot.


Scoot can improve his shooting, but will Miller ever be able to finish? He's 39% at the rim in the halfcourt


Finishing at the rim is one of the first things that guys get better at as they fill out. Scoot is already fully formed physically, but Miller has a ton of room to add bulk.


Fair enough. I don't really love his potential there, but he's physical and he's got touch. On the other hand, there are definitely worse shooters who have cleaned it up in the first years of their career than Scoot. Shooting development has really gone crazy the past few years, and if Scoot can shoot like Edwards or Donovan Mitchell, he'll be a nightmare.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#897 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:43 am

HiDef wrote:
Big J wrote:
HiDef wrote:
Scoot can improve his shooting, but will Miller ever be able to finish? He's 39% at the rim in the halfcourt


Finishing at the rim is one of the first things that guys get better at as they fill out. Scoot is already fully formed physically, but Miller has a ton of room to add bulk.


Fair enough. I don't really love his potential there, but he's physical and he's got touch. On the other hand, there are definitely worse shooters who have cleaned it up in the first years of their career than Scoot. Shooting development has really gone crazy the past few years, and if Scoot can shoot like Edwards or Donovan Mitchell, he'll be a nightmare.


LaMelo Ball will be whipping passes to him at high velocity and precision. Scoot has the right shooting coach (Steph Curry's). The coach resides in Charlotte.

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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#898 » by Big J » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:32 am

EvanZ wrote:Miller doesn’t have a big frame though. Hendricks for example same height looks like he could put on 20 pounds of good muscle.


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Miller has a similar frame to what Paul George had at Fresno, and PG13 has put on probably 30 lbs of sheer muscle since he joined the league.
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Post#899 » by LukaTheGOAT » Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:38 am

This man has had some really good takes in the past. Curious how this take ends up:

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Post#900 » by EvanZ » Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:57 am

Big J wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Miller doesn’t have a big frame though. Hendricks for example same height looks like he could put on 20 pounds of good muscle.


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Miller has a similar frame to what Paul George had at Fresno, and PG13 has put on probably 30 lbs of sheer muscle since he joined the league.


PG also grew a couple inches after his rookie season. Every inch of height makes it easier to pack on more muscle all else being equal.

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