Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[marson]

The lack of respect by these NBA players for Jimmy and Bam who have gone to 2 finals out of 4 years and is mind-boggling.

So its star power at the end of the day huh?

[HeatIn5]

Option A-

Herro, Duncan to CHA for Hayward, Cody, pick 27, future protected pick
Lowry, Dipo, Jovic, pick 18 to WAS for Beal
Strus S&T to OKC for our own 2025 1st

FA - Westbrook, McGruder
Resign - Vincent, Yurt

Pick 27 - Ben Sheppard or Dariq Whitehead

Westbrook/Vincent/Bouyea
Beal/Rookie
Jimmy/Cody/Cain
Caleb/Hayward/Highsmith
Bam/Yurt/ORob



Option B-

Herro to Orlando for pick 11, Cole Anthony, Chuma Okeke (or Bol Bol)
Lowry, Dipo, Jovic, pick 18 to WAS for Beal
Strus S&T to OKC for our own 2025 1st

Resign - Vincent (Westbrook if we cannot), Yurt
FA - McGruder, Trey Lyles

Pick 11 - Keyonte George

Vincent (or WB)/Anthony/Bouyea
Beal/George
Jimmy/Duncan/McGruder
Caleb/Highsmith
Bam/Lyles/Yurt

[Beenie]

Herro for Tyus jones, Xavier Tillman, Brandon Clarke and the 25th pick - who says no?

Man, if Brandon Clarke could shoot

Tus Jones alone is better overall than Herro and is on one of the best value contracts in the L if anything the Heat would be sending their pick plus Jovic for Jones/Clark/25th I don't see any reason the Grizzlies do that than to help out the Heat.

Jones is an 8 year vet who has been career backup and has averaged less than 20 mins a game; 24 last year.

He’s not better than Herro

That said, he’s a solid player and if Mia could nab him and Clark, it would be a fine get for the team.

[HeatIn5]

The Beal package to me is

Lowry
Duncan or Oladipo (but likely Oladipo)

2 of the 3 of - Jovic, Highsmith, pick 18

1 pick swap

[powerball1373]

I have to imagine that PHX aren't including Ayton in this trade and its centered around CP3.

Feel like the only reason they would be forced to include Ayton is because they have no picks and we are offering picks in a Lowry centric deal.

I really don't see a scenario where we are unable to give the best package here. If worst case scenario we are forced to include Herro and its a Ayton and no picks vs Herro and no picks then I think that's pretty close to a wash and if both are on the table Miami can always trump with Jovic and/or pick/s.

If PHX tell Pat their going to take the PHX offer unless we add a pick then I think he will.

But I don't think it will get that far because I don't think Beal will waive his NTC for a Beal/Booker/KD trio with nothing else.

You're crazy if you think Beal wouldn't waive his NTC to play with Booker and KD in Phoenix. I don't know if it's youthful naivete, or blind homerism, but it's not logical lol. Sure - they might not be the BEST fit, but it's a clear upgrade over his current situation and he still gets to play with two of the best players in the league, regardless of what the rest of the roster looks like at the moment.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Beal package to me is

Lowry
Duncan or Oladipo (but likely Oladipo)

2 of the 3 of - Jovic, Highsmith, pick 18

1 pick swap

Why are we treating Highsmith like some treasured asset? There’s Highsmith’s all over the G league and up and down the 2nd round. Jovic is the tough one to give up because his skill set can potentially be the perfect fit next to Bam. Jovic and Highsmith attachements had to be mentioned to get this deal closer to a match for Beal’s salary and to attempt to stay under the second apron. As a matter a fact these two additions in the deal keep us just under.

[HeatIn5]

The Beal package to me is

Lowry
Duncan or Oladipo (but likely Oladipo)

2 of the 3 of - Jovic, Highsmith, pick 18

1 pick swap

Why are we treating Highsmith like some treasured asset? There’s Highsmith’s all over the G league and up and down the 2nd round. Jovic is the tough one to give up because his skill set can potentially be the perfect fit next to Bam. Jovic and Highsmith attachements had to be mentioned to get this deal closer to a match for Beal’s salary and to attempt to stay under the second apron. As a matter a fact these two additions in the deal keep us just under.

oh we are in 100% agreement there. he should not be a hold up by any means.

I think were moreso trying to see if we can keep either Jovic or pick 18. Going to need a starting 4

[insfo]

The lack of respect by these NBA players for Jimmy and Bam who have gone to 2 finals out of 4 years and is mind-boggling.

So its star power at the end of the day huh?

Don't worry, we have the #1 recruiter in the league.

Seriously though, at the end of the day, Beal seems like someone who doesn't want to ruffle feathers. So if he feels the situation is similar in PHX & MIA, he might just go with whomever gives the Wizards the better deal just so that they will think well of him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The lack of respect by these NBA players for Jimmy and Bam who have gone to 2 finals out of 4 years and is mind-boggling.

So its star power at the end of the day huh?

Don't worry, we have the #1 recruiter in the league.

Seriously though, at the end of the day, Beal seems like someone who doesn't want to ruffle feathers. So if he feels the situation is similar in PHX & MIA, he might just go with whomever gives the Wizards the better deal just so that they will think well of him.

Most Wiz fans think the Suns deal is an absolute slap in face with zero chance of happening with the Suns.

[Rapaz]

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Based Milberg is already scouting possible Wizard selections at #18. Talks must be progressing favorably.

[Lennyzinho]

Fellas we have the answers. Be patient.

Beal isn't forcing anything, he probably told the Wiz he'd play for X teams and listed them. Wiz want a trade before deadline so they can draft someone that they want and want to avoid the Dame sweepstakes and being pushed aside if it were to happen.

PHX knows Beal is by far the best they can get. So ofc they're going for it, why wouldn't they want to turn CP3 and Payne into Beal? And ofc Beal would be down to play with KD and Book.

Miami wants Beal but it's probably a super low ball offer of Lowry Dipo (who hasn't opted in btw, this could v well be what's holding this up) Haywood and a swap. And Wiz are like no we want #18 and jovic. And Miami is like no take it or we will wait on Dame. And Wiz are like well if you take too long we are taking the PHX deal. Which is BS because PHX will never pull that deal because it's a dream for them. And Miami knows that, so they are playing hardball which is what you'd want. This trade probably doesn't get done until Monday Tuesday.

Draft is Thursday. Pretty confident it happens. And it'll be on our terms, it's a much better off than PHX cuz we are actually giving them assets and they have years to go. I hope it gets done cuz I think we have 1% at Dame.

Pajama pat got this.

[Timantha]

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[Pokuokic]

Man, if Brandon Clarke could shoot

Tus Jones alone is better overall than Herro and is on one of the best value contracts in the L if anything the Heat would be sending their pick plus Jovic for Jones/Clark/25th I don't see any reason the Grizzlies do that than to help out the Heat.

Jones is an 8 year vet who has been career backup and has averaged less than 20 mins a game; 24 last year.

He’s not better than Herro

That said, he’s a solid player and if Mia could nab him and Clark, it would be a fine get for the team.

The Grizzlies minus Morrant were an elite team with Jones as the PG they had something like a 24-7 record or similar to it. When you compare contracts/impact he's much better imo.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm still puzzled how all this gets done looking at the current roster and raw cap figures. The amount of cap gymnastics is going to be really impressive especially if trying to stay under the second tax apron this year and beyond. If we use the tax payer MLE it immediately hard caps us at the 2nd apron. One of Lowry, Duncan, or Herro salaries have to be off the books by next year if we end up signing our own free agents for us not be in living in super tax hell.

*Bradley Beal SG $46,741,590

Jimmy Butler SF $45,183,960

Bam Adebayo C $32,600,06

Kyle Lowry PG $29,682,540

Tyler Herro SG $27,000,000

Duncan Robinson SF $18,154,000

Victor Oladipo SG $9,450,000 (Most likely out for the year)

Caleb Martin SF $6,802,950

Nikola Jovic SF $2,352,000

Haywood Highsmith F $1,902,137

9 players currently signed with 1 player out for the year leaving 8 playable players on the current roster. 6 roster spots to fill. Not even factoring let's say the minimum to resign Vincent and Strus for a conservative figure of under 18 million combined.


2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $162,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $173,127,647
Current Luxury Tax Space $-11,127,647
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $19,069,120

"Super Tax" Apron
2023 NBA Super-Tax Apron $179,500,000
Super-Tax Apron Space $3,872,353

[Timantha]

I'm still puzzled how all this gets done looking at the current roster and raw cap figures. The amount of cap gymnastics is going to be really impressive especially if trying to stay under the second tax apron this year and beyond. If we use the tax payer MLE it immediately hard caps us at the 2nd apron. One of Lowry, Duncan, or Herro salaries have to be off the books by next year if we end up signing our own free agents for us not be in living in super tax hell.

*Bradley Beal SG $46,741,590

Jimmy Butler SF $45,183,960

Bam Adebayo C $32,600,06

Kyle Lowry PG $29,682,540

Tyler Herro SG $27,000,000

Duncan Robinson SF $18,154,000

Victor Oladipo SG $9,450,000 (Most likely out for the year)

Caleb Martin SF $6,802,950

Nikola Jovic SF $2,352,000

Haywood Highsmith F $1,902,137

9 players currently signed with 1 player out for the year leaving 8 playable players on the current roster. 6 roster spots to fill. Not even factoring let's say the minimum to resign Vincent and Strus for a conservative figure of under 18 million combined.


2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $162,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $173,127,647
Current Luxury Tax Space $-11,127,647
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $19,069,120

"Super Tax" Apron
2023 NBA Super-Tax Apron $179,500,000
Super-Tax Apron Space $3,872,353

You really like doing math to get us out the tax huh? Quite simple honestly, just dump Herro for a 2025 or 2026 pick. Now Miami can trade their 2024 or 2027 pick

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm still puzzled how all this gets done looking at the current roster and raw cap figures. The amount of cap gymnastics is going to be really impressive especially if trying to stay under the second tax apron this year and beyond. If we use the tax payer MLE it immediately hard caps us at the 2nd apron. One of Lowry, Duncan, or Herro salaries have to be off the books by next year if we end up signing our own free agents for us not be in living in super tax hell.

*Bradley Beal SG $46,741,590

Jimmy Butler SF $45,183,960

Bam Adebayo C $32,600,06

Kyle Lowry PG $29,682,540

Tyler Herro SG $27,000,000

Duncan Robinson SF $18,154,000

Victor Oladipo SG $9,450,000 (Most likely out for the year)

Caleb Martin SF $6,802,950

Nikola Jovic SF $2,352,000

Haywood Highsmith F $1,902,137

9 players currently signed with 1 player out for the year leaving 8 playable players on the current roster. 6 roster spots to fill. Not even factoring let's say the minimum to resign Vincent and Strus for a conservative figure of under 18 million combined.


2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $162,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $173,127,647
Current Luxury Tax Space $-11,127,647
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $19,069,120

"Super Tax" Apron
2023 NBA Super-Tax Apron $179,500,000
Super-Tax Apron Space $3,872,353

You're really into trying to get us out the tax huh Quite simple honestly, just dump Herro for a 2025 or 2026 pick. Now Miami can trade their 2024 or 2027 pick

Trying to get us out of the super tax makes the most sense. Unless Micky is turning over a new leaf but even with that he really chose the most worst time to decide it was time to spend way over the tax when the rules implemented are specifically put in place to prevent that. Dumping Herro for a pick also looks really crappy on our part.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Facts

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we send Herro to the magic I want WCJ

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we send Herro to the magic I want WCJ

Herro to the Magic for Markelle Fultz and the 11th pick work for me

[Timantha]

I'm still puzzled how all this gets done looking at the current roster and raw cap figures. The amount of cap gymnastics is going to be really impressive especially if trying to stay under the second tax apron this year and beyond. If we use the tax payer MLE it immediately hard caps us at the 2nd apron. One of Lowry, Duncan, or Herro salaries have to be off the books by next year if we end up signing our own free agents for us not be in living in super tax hell.

*Bradley Beal SG $46,741,590

Jimmy Butler SF $45,183,960

Bam Adebayo C $32,600,06

Kyle Lowry PG $29,682,540

Tyler Herro SG $27,000,000

Duncan Robinson SF $18,154,000

Victor Oladipo SG $9,450,000 (Most likely out for the year)

Caleb Martin SF $6,802,950

Nikola Jovic SF $2,352,000

Haywood Highsmith F $1,902,137

9 players currently signed with 1 player out for the year leaving 8 playable players on the current roster. 6 roster spots to fill. Not even factoring let's say the minimum to resign Vincent and Strus for a conservative figure of under 18 million combined.


2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $162,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $173,127,647
Current Luxury Tax Space $-11,127,647
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $19,069,120

"Super Tax" Apron
2023 NBA Super-Tax Apron $179,500,000
Super-Tax Apron Space $3,872,353

You're really into trying to get us out the tax huh Quite simple honestly, just dump Herro for a 2025 or 2026 pick. Now Miami can trade their 2024 or 2027 pick

Trying to get us out of the super tax makes the most sense. Unless Micky is turning over a new leaf but even with that he really chose the most worst time to decide it was time to spend way over the tax when the rules implemented are specifically put in place to prevent that. Dumping Herro for a pick also looks really crappy on our part.

I killed all the long term salary and got us back an expiring 4 who we can sign to a cheap contract. We will no longer be in the tax , but the fans will scream at Micky for not being serious about contending