Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[Arsenal]

Not discussed yet is that if Harden resigns, then we should also lock up Maxey long-term. I'd offer a 5/$150M extension and see if he bites. Pretty much anything under the MAX would be beneficial for the team.

[Arsenal]

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Lowry at vet min as our backup PG would be ideal. Seems inevitable that he would finally come home.

If we get him I'd trade Melton for value and roll with Lowry and Springer as our backup guards behind Harden and Maxey.

[Sportfan73]

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Lowry at vet min as our backup PG would be ideal. Seems inevitable that he would finally come home.

If we get him I'd trade Melton for value and roll with him and Springer as our backup guards behind Harden and Maxey.

Yeah the flexibility to use melton to upgrade/enhance a Tobias deal from Lowry coming for cheap would be very ideal

[Kobblehead]

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/lists/3-free-agent-guards-that-fit-make-sense-for-the-philadelphia-76ers/

Whoever wrote this article is on the same wavelength as me.

I think signing Seth Curry and Hamidou Diallo would be a fantastic offseason. Both can be had for cheap.

[spikeslovechild]

What do we do to Tucker? If Nurse implements more ball and player movement, I can’t see him starting because he can’t shoot 3s other than corner 3s, he’s not a good cutter, he’s not a lob option and he is not good at finishing around the rim.

I don't see how we move him without it being part of a larger deal to take a bad contract back.

That is why I would have been adverse to Beal. You are going to have to find a star or quasi star that is kind of overpaid then include Harris expiring and Tucker money inside the deal.

I just don't see how we can justify giving up any of our limited assets in a one-off deal to move Tucker. He isn't going to open up cap room. The other issue is if Nurse does plan on reducing his role we need to move him now because his value will only continue to further decline to the point he'd probably have to get bought out.

I also don't know if at this point whether he'd accept a trade to a non-contending team. Maybe you could sucker a team like the Kings into his leadership and get someone like Malik Monk for him I dunno

[the_process]

If Miami wants to send Lowry, Oladipo, and a couple firsts for Beal... that sounds to me like they're saving up for another deal (Dame) as well.

[Ksny13]

Even if Harden comes back there isn't a realistic avenue for this team to get better and compete with teams like Denver, Phoenix, Boston and Miami. There just are not many tradable assets on this team. Nobody is trading for Harris without picks and there are none. Maxeys value was at the highest last off season and salary wise doesn't help much. It will be an interesting off season and an important one for Morey.

[youngcrev]

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Lowry at vet min as our backup PG would be ideal. Seems inevitable that he would finally come home.

If we get him I'd trade Melton for value and roll with Lowry and Springer as our backup guards behind Harden and Maxey.

That would be huge for this team.

Don't get me wrong, he's pretty cooked. But his skill set would still be useful here, and his leadership would be invaluable.

Not sure what that would mean for Melton. Trade him is a possibility. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Nurse has him penciled into his starting lineup right now next to Maxey and Harden. If Nurse wants to do some more scrambling defensively and prioritizes ball pressure, Melton is the best option we have on the roster. I kinda think Harden slots in more as a forward defensively.

[youngcrev]

Even if Harden comes back there isn't a realistic avenue for this team to get better and compete with teams like Denver, Phoenix, Boston and Miami. There just are not many tradable assets on this team. Nobody is trading for Harris without picks and there are none. Maxeys value was at the highest last off season and salary wise doesn't help much. It will be an interesting off season and an important one for Morey.

If Harden leaves they have less assets, not more. I agree that they don't have a ton of trade assets to make meaningful improvement, I just disagree that there isn't enough on this team to compete with the ones you have listed. There's no juggernaut out there. The Sixers odds aren't great... But nobody's are.

[Jailblazers7]

Not discussed yet is that if Harden resigns, then we should also lock up Maxey long-term. I'd offer a 5/$150M extension and see if he bites. Pretty much anything under the MAX would be beneficial for the team.

I think we’re kinda lucky that Herro/Poole have set the market for score first guards at ~30M and the new cap rule put more scrutiny on max contracts. I think he’ll probably end up at ~35M which feels pretty reasonable for both sides.

[youngcrev]

If Miami wants to send Lowry, Oladipo, and a couple firsts for Beal... that sounds to me like they're saving up for another deal (Dame) as well.

Saving what? They'd be pretty wiped of assets beyond Herro, who's value seems debatable at this point.

I read it as the Wizards having more interest in clearing salary and fully rebuilding. Seems they prefer the expirings over Herro/Ayton in these deals.

[youngcrev]

What do we do to Tucker? If Nurse implements more ball and player movement, I can’t see him starting because he can’t shoot 3s other than corner 3s, he’s not a good cutter, he’s not a lob option and he is not good at finishing around the rim.

I think he probably just fills the same role (since it's the only role he can fill) as a man defender, corner 3, hustle guy, only in a lesser capacity off the bench.

Only thing that might change is that Nurse might let him go after offensive rebounds more.

I think he'll still have value to the team as a matchup/chess piece in a series.

It's still gonna be an Embiid/Harden led offense. Don't expect some massive changes to way this team operates on that end, particularly when it comes to player/ball movement.

[Arsenal]

I'll be shocked if Tobias hasn't issued a trade demand. No way he wants to stay in the last year of his contract as the 4th option. He only stays if Harden goes.

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[sixers hoops]

Even if Harden comes back there isn't a realistic avenue for this team to get better and compete with teams like Denver, Phoenix, Boston and Miami. There just are not many tradable assets on this team. Nobody is trading for Harris without picks and there are none. Maxeys value was at the highest last off season and salary wise doesn't help much. It will be an interesting off season and an important one for Morey.

If Harden leaves they have less assets, not more. I agree that they don't have a ton of trade assets to make meaningful improvement, I just disagree that there isn't enough on this team to compete with the ones you have listed. There's no juggernaut out there. The Sixers odds aren't great... But nobody's are.

Maybe on a two year deal. On a three year deal, I don’t see Harden as an asset. I think he would have negative value.

Can the Sixers win a title next year? Sure. I didn’t think Denver had much of a shot this year. I didn’t think the Bucks or Raptors had greats chances a few years back, so the odds going into the seasons don’t matter very much.

We are currently viewed as third in the East and sixth in the league. However, I just don’t know that we have the personnel to win big playoff games with this roster. Forget conference finals or finals, they haven’t been able to win key games in the second round.

Can Nick Nurse turn roughly the same roster into a champion? My guess is no, but this might be the first time Embiid and company have a coach who is known more for scheming his team to victories as a tactician. Maybe we won’t have the late-game collapses if our coach implements a strategy that puts us in a better position for success.

[youngcrev]

I'll be shocked if Tobias hasn't issued a trade demand. No way he wants to stay in the last year of his contract as the 4th option. He only stays if Harden goes.

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Is Fred Armisen plugged in?

[Arsenal]

Even if Harden comes back there isn't a realistic avenue for this team to get better and compete with teams like Denver, Phoenix, Boston and Miami. There just are not many tradable assets on this team. Nobody is trading for Harris without picks and there are none. Maxeys value was at the highest last off season and salary wise doesn't help much. It will be an interesting off season and an important one for Morey.

If Harden leaves they have less assets, not more. I agree that they don't have a ton of trade assets to make meaningful improvement, I just disagree that there isn't enough on this team to compete with the ones you have listed. There's no juggernaut out there. The Sixers odds aren't great... But nobody's are.

Maybe on a two year deal. On a three year deal, I don’t see Harden as an asset. I think he would have negative value.

Can the Sixers win a title next year? Sure. I didn’t think Denver had much of a shot this year. I didn’t think the Bucks or Raptors had greats chances a few years back, so the odds going into the seasons don’t matter very much.

We are currently viewed as third in the East and sixth in the league. However, I just don’t know that we have the personnel to win big playoff games with this roster. Forget conference finals or finals, they haven’t been able to win key games in the second round.

Can Nick Nurse turn roughly the same roster into a champion? My guess is no, but this might be the first time Embiid and company have a coach who is known more for scheming his team to victories as a tactician. Maybe we won’t have the late-game collapses if our coach implements a strategy that puts us in a better position for success.

The coaching factor is important. Prime Embiid has been stuck with a notorious playoff choker of a coach thus far. Nurse knows our playoff issues and has a plan to fix them.

[Arsenal]

I'll be shocked if Tobias hasn't issued a trade demand. No way he wants to stay in the last year of his contract as the 4th option. He only stays if Harden goes.

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Is Fred Armisen plugged in?

Who knows but I don't need the tweet to know that either Harden or Harris will not be here next year. It's totally obvious.

[youngcrev]

I'll be shocked if Tobias hasn't issued a trade demand. No way he wants to stay in the last year of his contract as the 4th option. He only stays if Harden goes.

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Is Fred Armisen plugged in?

Who knows but I don't need the tweet to know that either Harden or Harris will not be here next year. It's totally obvious.

Well, one guy has a decision to make, and the other is going to depend on the trade market. I don't know that their necessarily that intertwined.

I imagine Morey will be shopping Tobias pretty hard regardless.

I'd also be pretty surprised if Tobias asked out. Just doesn't seem like something he'd do.

Back to that report though, why would the Grizzlies be looking to move Jones when Ja is getting suspended?

[youngcrev]

Even if Harden comes back there isn't a realistic avenue for this team to get better and compete with teams like Denver, Phoenix, Boston and Miami. There just are not many tradable assets on this team. Nobody is trading for Harris without picks and there are none. Maxeys value was at the highest last off season and salary wise doesn't help much. It will be an interesting off season and an important one for Morey.

If Harden leaves they have less assets, not more. I agree that they don't have a ton of trade assets to make meaningful improvement, I just disagree that there isn't enough on this team to compete with the ones you have listed. There's no juggernaut out there. The Sixers odds aren't great... But nobody's are.

Maybe on a two year deal. On a three year deal, I don’t see Harden as an asset. I think he would have negative value.

Can the Sixers win a title next year? Sure. I didn’t think Denver had much of a shot this year. I didn’t think the Bucks or Raptors had greats chances a few years back, so the odds going into the seasons don’t matter very much.

We are currently viewed as third in the East and sixth in the league. However, I just don’t know that we have the personnel to win big playoff games with this roster. Forget conference finals or finals, they haven’t been able to win key games in the second round.

Can Nick Nurse turn roughly the same roster into a champion? My guess is no, but this might be the first time Embiid and company have a coach who is known more for scheming his team to victories as a tactician. Maybe we won’t have the late-game collapses if our coach implements a strategy that puts us in a better position for success.

And if they do somehow manage to win, Nurse will get way more credit than he probably deserves.

NBA talk is so narrative driven. The mind set tends to be this hasn't happened, so it can't happen... until it does, and then we ignore all that bad stuff we said before.

Dirk can win, he's soft. Warriors can't win in the playoffs shooting all those 3s. Jokic is a defensive liability, can't win in the playoffs with that guy. Ect.

A Sixers title will require the same things pretty every team needs. Transcendent play from our star(s), health, and quite a bit of luck.

Doc calling the playoffs emotional terrorism feels even more true for the fans. And we've dealt with enough failure to lose most of our belief.

[FireMorey]

Beal to the Suns. So we know one time who won’t be winning a title next season.