Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[MorbidHEAT]

I’ve been in some really tough negotiations where nobody is willing to budge, but you know that it’s going to happen. I hope this is that.

[MartyCONLONNN]

reminder that the more time that passes without Wiz + Phx agreeing to an offer, the more incentive Miami has to hunker down and wait. If Beal truly wanted to be there, it would be done already because Phx cannot adjust their bid. Miami is in great position to give very little here.

Ultimately, from the business side of things - there is no reason why PHX should get the privilege of offering a similar salary dump as Miami without including a pick, but Miami should for some arbitrary reason be forced to give one and not PHX? In what world. Washington continues to lose this staring contest with each passing hour and they are lucky we even include a single asset when no1 else is willing to.

[Bishop45]

Honestly don’t mind Duncan’s contract, I’d keep him if he wasn’t on the shortlist of needed assets

[Rapaz]

Honestly don’t mind Duncan’s contract, I’d keep him if he wasn’t on the shortlist of needed assets

I agree. And he played well enough in the playoffs that it shouldn’t necessarily require attaching an asset to move him.

[Hallstar]

The new cap era is pushing max and minimum players, the middle class may start disappearing.

I think we need to look at this from a relative perspective and that things are fluid. Herro at the time he signed his contract it was at par with market value or a slight over pay. Then next season Herro plays ok but was hurt in the playoffs. The real killer is new CBA which now makes his slightly over paid contract at the time more on the negative side. This is mainly because Herro was hurt in the playoffs. Say Herro had a break out playoffs, his contract would be seen in a different light and more of a positive. Again all of this is fluid. Right now Herro is at his lowest. The new CBA will have unintended consequences for players like Grant this offseason. Before he would get a 30+ contract, now it seems highly unlikely.

No... he's nowhere near worth his new contract unless you only care about PPG. For such a good 3pt shooter he's no very efficient even though he has the green light. It's been reported that Spoelstra has to keep talking about his shot selections yet he doesn't seem to care what he's told, this is the type of offensive player that can make you lose playoff games... oh, and toss in he's probably the worst defensive player on the court when Trae Young isn't on the court he's just a bad player. Find a trade to a team that the FO doesn't care about championship aspirations like Minnesota, Charolotte or even Chicago.

Now if Herro limited his game, became a catch and shoot SG and gave good effort on the defensive end, I he could be a high level SG, but he's not going to limit his game like that which is a pity, because pressure doesn't really bother him but neither does Spoelstra talking to him about his bad shot selection.

Isn't it weird Miami has had great success in the playoffs the last 2 years without Herro? Is it also weird they underachieved greatly when he became a starter and Miami had 3 20 ppg guys and the same bench that did pretty well in the playoffs? There's only one common trait in all 3 of those situations, a ton of Herro.

Great success, hot shooting from limited players that evaporated and loss 7 of last 9 games. Why I had no interest in Herro coming back into that **** show. Lord knows you would have found a way to blame him for the Finals loss.

Bro you have no idea what a good offensive player is so just stop it. Herro is taking 8 3s a game, more than Beal has taken every year except the 1 he was jacking up 22 shots a game. How many do you think he should take in your world? You kept harping on numbers without context like thinking PJ Tucker was a good offensive player because of TS%. If the refs called the obvious fouls against the kid the "shot selection" wouldn't be an issue.

And his contract is worth every dollar, he's paid like his peers are. Beal got 50 friggin million and you're talking about Herro's 27?

Stick your cherry picked defensive analysis and leave the offense talk to other people

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan has been horrible for two years and suddenly flashed in the playoffs a bit and now he’s viewed as a positive asset at 18 per lol. You guys are getting suckered again. He’s bound to revert to Clunkin at a moments notice and we are stuck yet again harboring that contract for a third stringer. He’s a no brainer deal. Martin and Strus need to be our backup 2/3

[Hoops3355]

Hero’s contract is fine, with a bigger role on another team, his numbers would explode.

Plus he’s very marketable and flashy someone’s gonna him up.

And then what?

I get the marketing aspect but does his game help you win when he's not all that efficient and a negative on the defensive end?

He needs to be on a team with a true shot blocker down low. He's very much in the realm of a richer JJ Reddick. They both have the same 6'3 wingspan but Herro is a bit bigger and has more dribbling to his game. Get Herro on a team that can protect him with a player down low and he'll be fine.

Yeah. I still think getting a big man opens up our team so much more. You allow Bam to play the 4 where he can still do more of what he’s good at on defensive end and offensively he dominates almost every 4 in league outside of JJJ and Adams combo.

Herro gets another year and you bring back whoever is cheaper between Strus and Gabe potentially. It’s gotta be Gabe imo. Jovic and Highsmith and Cain should improve.


I dunno I can get over excited by Beal but man a big would really have me salivating.


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[HEATVols865]

I feel for Dipo man


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[HEATVols865]

Would Dragic come here for the minimum?


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[Flash4thewin]

Duncan has been horrible for two years and suddenly flashed in the playoffs a bit and now he’s viewed as a positive asset at 18 per lol. You guys are getting suckered again. He’s bound to revert to Clunkin at a moments notice and we are stuck yet again harboring that contract for a third stringer. He’s a no brainer deal. Martin and Strus need to be our backup 2/3

Yeah those "sources" saying the Wiz want him are next level trolling. Just simple common sense here, if you are rebuilding do you want an expiring or do you want a dead weight contract...... it's such a hard choice

[HEATVols865]

Duncan has been horrible for two years and suddenly flashed in the playoffs a bit and now he’s viewed as a positive asset at 18 per lol. You guys are getting suckered again. He’s bound to revert to Clunkin at a moments notice and we are stuck yet again harboring that contract for a third stringer. He’s a no brainer deal. Martin and Strus need to be our backup 2/3

Yeah those "sources" saying the Wiz want him are next level trolling. Just simple common sense here, if you are rebuilding do you want an expiring or do you want a dead weight contract...... it's such a hard choice

And the Wiz did start the trend of giving white unathletic shooters big azz contracts with Bertrans (is that his name?). So either they didn’t learn their lesson or this is bull. I go with bull.


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[Hoops3355]

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. The Suns did it to Ayton and owe him less money than they would have if they just extended beforehand. Herro would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

It literally isn’t. Poole is objectively a worse contract. RJ has the same contract and is not a materially better player.

People need to adjust their expectations in the new cap era. Decent role players get $20 mill these days

The new cap era is pushing max and minimum players, the middle class may start disappearing.

The players association really fleeced the middle class of players.


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[RexBoyWonder]

Read on Twitter

So sounds like wizards are demanding Duncan but we’re trying to keep him out if possible. So it’s gotta be Lowry Dipo and a 1st or something

Why would the Wizards insist on getting Duncan?

It makes very little sense, he has negetive value on his deal - at best he's netural - but so is Dipo. And Dipo is expiring, that's a plus for a rebuilding team.

Something is off here. We should be ones insisting on sending Duncan to help balance our books, not the Wizards.

[Bishop45]

Duncan has been horrible for two years and suddenly flashed in the playoffs a bit and now he’s viewed as a positive asset at 18 per lol. You guys are getting suckered again. He’s bound to revert to Clunkin at a moments notice and we are stuck yet again harboring that contract for a third stringer. He’s a no brainer deal. Martin and Strus need to be our backup 2/3

Outside of his rookie season, he’s only had one subpar shooting season. I’d say there’s enough evidence to call him one of the best/respected shooters in the league. I think I could justify 18 per for that. Especially if he’ll show up in the playoffs

His contract is needed for trade for a star player, so I’m game

[dshearn]

Read on Twitter

So sounds like wizards are demanding Duncan but we’re trying to keep him out if possible. So it’s gotta be Lowry Dipo and a 1st or something

Why would the Wizards insist on getting Duncan?

It makes very little sense, he has negetive value on his deal - at best he's netural - but so is Dipo. And Dipo is expiring, that's a plus for a rebuilding team.

Something is off here. We should be ones insisting on sending Duncan to help balance our books, not the Wizards.

lol....erased this post....

I did not read the tweet and just instead guessed at the reason, that was clearly listed in the tweet

[batterybro42]

Announce the Milsap signing and let’s get ready for next year

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan has been horrible for two years and suddenly flashed in the playoffs a bit and now he’s viewed as a positive asset at 18 per lol. You guys are getting suckered again. He’s bound to revert to Clunkin at a moments notice and we are stuck yet again harboring that contract for a third stringer. He’s a no brainer deal. Martin and Strus need to be our backup 2/3

Outside of his rookie season, he’s only had one subpar shooting season. I’d say there’s enough evidence to call him one of the best/respected shooters in the league. I think I could justify 18 per for that. Especially if he’ll show up in the playoffs

His contract is needed for trade for a star player, so I’m game

Agreed he’s needed in this Beal trade no doubt about that lol

[MorbidHEAT]

Would Dragic come here for the minimum?


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He said in a podcast that he would love to come here and that he can still go 15 to 20 minutes a game. I can’t see him getting more than the minimum anyways. He can take over the Udonis role, but actually play sometimes.

[IceColdCubano]

Were about to lump Lowry and Duncan both together in one package and were in here complaining...what in the actual Fckeru is this.

[heatlejuice]

Were about to lump Lowry and Duncan both together in one package and were in here complaining...what in the actual Fckeru is this.