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Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin & Isaiah Todd TRADED to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, six 2nd rounders, & pick swaps

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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#101 » by JAR69 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:41 pm

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prime1time wrote:The only good thing is that for the first time in years, the front office has made a legitimate decision about the future of the franchise. I expect we will turn into OKC of the East.


The difference is, OKC maxed assets in trades BEFORE the tank commenced, guaranteeing they'd have young elite players AND a giant collection of picks to rebuild around. We just have some second rounders and our own picks. The only good news in this is that if we play this right, we'll never have to give up a first in the horrid Wall trade. But we won't have 1/4 the assets to play with that OKC had in their rebuild. We just have our own because we were too stupid to start this 4, 3, 2 and 1 year ago.


All true, but I'm still fine with this outcome. The new FO is clearing the decks of the crap they were handed. Good. We are in complete agreement that we should dumped (or not resigned) Beal over and over again. At this point, though, I don't think we could realistically get much more for him, if our top priority is clearing the decks. If Miami insisted on including Robinson's anchor so that we could get 18 this year, I'm fine with saying no to that. We are entering BOYD world for 2-3 years. We don't have the same assets as OKC to rebuild, but we will have some and be in much better position on the other side. Getting out of the disaster isn't going to be easy. So I can live with this. To me, it signals a new direction, and that is good enough.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#104 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:42 pm

AFM wrote:Thanks, we had no idea.


It's just a shame your front office didn't see it sooner...

I predict the rest of the NBA will start trading 2nd tier stars like Beal and Jaylen Brown well before that 3rd contract. It limits the max salary and prevents the no-trade clause from coming into play.

Heartbreaking that Wiz had two star guards and signing them to supermax deals basically ruined any chance your team had at building a contender.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#105 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:42 pm

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Wargreymon wrote:Man...not even one 1st rounder or a young prospect in return. This is inexcusable. No fanbase deserves this. I feel for you guys

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Nah. We don't. If you don't learn, than experience teaches you (kind of like nature) and experience is the biggest, meanest, ----- of a teacher around. Hopefully this experience will teach us something. But I doubt it, after 10, 20, 30 and nearly 40 years of this, people were still trying to sell me on the deal of keeping Beal in the '19, '20, '21 and '22 offseasons. If you didn't get that this was coming then, when would you ever get it?

Hopefully now.

Instead of lambasting Beal, lambaste the people who actually had control in 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 until they gave it to Beal, the people who have actually been running this franchise into the ground for nearly 45 years under Pollin and Leonsis.

This was unbelievably easy to see coming, and some of us saw it, but some of us man, some of us we're chumps.

The only thing I'm angry about is that the adults with the power and control were too stupid to do something any GM worth a cent would've known they had to do for freaking YEARS, four in all, and NEVER DID. They are the people to blame. Not Beal. He's got one career to play with and like 99% of athletes, he's gonna do for him first, not you. That some couldn't see this coming is utterly beyond me.
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Post#106 » by Frichuela » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:42 pm

Maybe just maybe we get the 30th pick from the Clippers plus the corpses of Covington and Morris?

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Post#107 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:42 pm

miller31time wrote:One amusing after-effect of this trade will be to see how the DC Sports-equivalent of Fox News is able to spin this disaster.

I’ll be tuning in with popcorn in hand at Chris Miller’s next telecast!


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Post#108 » by badinage » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:44 pm

TGW wrote:I don’t understand the Beal hate right now. He doesn’t owe this pitiful franchise anything. He had a NTC and a trade kicker (which he waived). You don’t blame the player for negotiating the best deal he could and then exercising said components of the deal. You blame the people who made the deal with him in the first place.

Beal is not the first, nor the last nba player to get a deal that he didn’t deserve. But deserve is relative; his reps negotiated a contract, and both sides agreed to it, so in essence, he deserved the contract. Anyway, I don’t think Beal deserves the hate. If anything get mad at the phucking morons in the front office.


Nope.

He showed himself. This is a classless, ruthless act of scorched earth. He left the team with nothing. NOTHING.

Didn’t have to be that way. Could’ve been a win-win.

He f*cked us.

And so now I have only one recourse.

Moving on …
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#109 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:44 pm

This may be the most WTF moment in this God forsaken franchise’s history.

Trading Beal. No problem. Getting two second round picks and meaningless pick swaps? I’m speechless.

We’d have been better off waiting for the deadline.

This does suggest that Winger’s plan is to absolutely bottom out, Process style.

He’s focusing on next years ping pong balls and doesn’t want to walk into any unnecessary wins next year.
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Post#110 » by Tyrone Messby » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:46 pm

Can’t wait for us to get the first overall pick next season in a weak draft :lol:
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Post#111 » by Eli Babak » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:47 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Sorry wizard fans. Terrible deal. I don't think we'll see anymore no trade clauses for a long time.

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It's horrible, but the main problem is that they gave Beal that horrible contract last year. That no-trade clause destroyed everything. It was insane. So, in a way the return was decent, since they will have cap space next year and can start "fresh".
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Post#112 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:48 pm

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badinage wrote:And: I really don’t want to hear considered takes on Beal right now.

Maybe in a while, sure.

A couple years.

Not now. This is disgraceful. Absolutely a gutless act against the team that drafted him, developed him, gave him the keys to the franchise, and gave him an insane amount of money (more than a player of his talent should ever have gotten).

Vindictive. Ruthless.

He will get his. I hope he knows that.


Nah, Beal just did what any player does. He did for himself. We've had a billion examples of this. Some of us have been arguing with fans here for nearly half a decade that you had to trade Beal because this was exactly what would happen but the fan base was insanely deluded (some of them) into thinking his love for DC trumped him ever playing for a contender. He wanted the bag and he wanted to win. If we'd ever built a successful team around him, he would've stayed, but that went down the drain in the winter of '18-'19 and for the last four and a half years, the fan base, front office and owners have been living in denial that this wasn't EXACTLY always what was going to happen if he wasn't traded in the '19, '20, '21, or '22 deadlines or offseasons. This was ALWAYS going to happen unless he was traded. We didn't have one chance to avert this, we had EIGHT. We never took action.

This is 100% on us, not on Beal. He's just doing what any player does, taking care of himself. We were the idiot franchise/fan base that stupidly thought he was an exception, AND that it was smarter to keep him, rather than deal him.

Nature is a cruel teacher, if you don't keep your head, you lose it. We lost it by not trading him FOR YEARS.

We are the idiots.

Instead of blaming Beal, just remember this --- damn lesson for once and do the right thing next time. Forty years of this ---- and it feels like the franchise, ownership, and some of the fans still haven't learned a thing.

All of you could teach rings around me about the right prospects and vets to build around, but the way this played out was team building 101 in the NBA, and how some people never saw this coming was and is utterly beyond me. That they blame Beal for it instead of the people that built this house the big bad wolf could blow down in .01 seconds is just confounding to me.

It isn't his fault we were played this way, if you can't see this coming, you shouldn't play the game in the first place, you/we, should just go home, which, btw, is what all fans should do to punish these idiots for now guaranteeing this team will remain irrelevant for fifty or so years instead of just 40-45.


This franchise being to blame, yes — but that doesn’t mean that what he did is in ANY WAY defensible. It’s a stunning act of cravenness and I-get-mine. Even for a pro athlete.


It was smart, he took the power he had, and used it for his objective: to give him his best chance possible to play for a winner during the last max contract of his career.

I don't disagree, it was and is craven, but at least he's smart and clever, we've seen countless other athletes demand mega trades and the bag and never have the foresight to use tools to their advantage to keep their new team as competitive as possible.

We should've signed him to be our GM, instead of a player, he probably, actually positiviely would have done the rebuild better than any of the last half dozen dog---- GM's we've had that have run this team into the ground over and over the past 43 years.
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Post#113 » by tleikheen » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:48 pm

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Post#114 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:49 pm

badinage wrote:Bradley Beal has shown us who he is.

As a player on the court, he leaves much to be desired. But this action reveals his character in full.

What an act of grubby crassness. What a burning of bridges.

And what does it tell us about all those years of professing loyalty and love for the city? It tells us it was a fraud.

May the fans burn his Jersey as Cavs fans did Lebron’s.

May his number never hang in the rafters.

May his face be scrubbed immediately of all websites.

May he be booed lustily every time he touches the ball at Verizon Center.

May the Suns brazen act fail miserably, and end in dysfunction and implosion.

I don't blame Beal, people have been calling him beta Beal ect.
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Post#115 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:51 pm

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prime1time wrote:The only good thing is that for the first time in years, the front office has made a legitimate decision about the future of the franchise. I expect we will turn into OKC of the East.

yeah. the "future."
the bottom...

who knows? maybe they have something up their sleeve with Porzingas. But if down is up, this world has lost its mind...

What would you have done?


I would have met w/my scouts after Wall fell in the shower, and tried to determine which NBA draft class looked the best between '19, '20 and '21, and trade Beal w/that class in mind. The one thing I wouldn't have done in a MILLION years is what the idiot Wizards did.
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Post#117 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:52 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I don't think we can blame the GM for this! It's not their fault.

Beal spit in the face of Ted. It's disgusting. He's a piece of trash.
Shanets deal is bad CP3 is movable. At the very least.

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Ted said he wanted to get rid of Beal when firing Sheppard. It will be interesting to see if that was the turning point.
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Post#118 » by TGW » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:54 pm

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TGW wrote:I don’t understand the Beal hate right now. He doesn’t owe this pitiful franchise anything. He had a NTC and a trade kicker (which he waived). You don’t blame the player for negotiating the best deal he could and then exercising said components of the deal. You blame the people who made the deal with him in the first place.

Beal is not the first, nor the last nba player to get a deal that he didn’t deserve. But deserve is relative; his reps negotiated a contract, and both sides agreed to it, so in essence, he deserved the contract. Anyway, I don’t think Beal deserves the hate. If anything get mad at the phucking morons in the front office.


Nope.

He showed himself. This is a classless, ruthless act of scorched earth. He left the team with nothing. NOTHING.

Didn’t have to be that way. Could’ve been a win-win.

He f*cked us.

And so now I have only one recourse.

Moving on …


There was no win-win option. As soon as you let a player dictate what he gets traded for, the team that owns the contract will more than likely get screwed.

But you guys can continue to be emotional. That’s for the fans. I’m glad this front office didn’t GAF about Beals history here and just moved on. The wise business decision was to get the better contracts and some picks. Not bench Beal. Not playing hardball with a guy who holds all the cards. It is what it is.
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Post#119 » by JAR69 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:55 pm

tleikheen wrote:Josh Bartlestein : I Love you Dad ,Happy Fathers day
Mark Bartlestein " Enjoy Bradley Beal Son !


We shall see if this is such a gift to PHX. If Beal gets hurt, if KD gets hurt, if Booker doesn't get along with Beal, if they can't figure out a way to turn Ayton into a bench, etc. ... they have Beal, and presumably the contract will still have an NTC. Let's chat Fathers Day 2025.
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Post#120 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:56 pm

Thanks, Ted and Tommy for giving one of the dumbest NTC's in the history of sports. F-Beal. Now, we'll be stuck hoping for our No. 8 and second-round picks to work out. Then again, I'm not sure there's hope or if I'll be around long enough to see a contender in 2030.

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