The Scoot Henderson Thread

[JustBuzzin]

This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.

Why not get the best shooter in the draft in Miller?

[SWedd523]

The way you talk makes me think you view Scoot in a better light than Melo

Now it makes sense.

[JMAC3]

This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

[JustBuzzin]

This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

I tried to tell people Melo/Scoot will struggle with this roster. Bridges/Mark are guaranteed starters. That's 3 non shooters in the lineup. 2 pg's creating with no spacing is going to struggle to win games.

I'll say it again if we draft Scoot we better be prepared to trade Melo in the near future. These guys will just be in each other's way. If Scoot could shoot then this could totally work. I just don't see how they are a long term fit.

[wilson115]

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

Then trade Terry and/or Gordon's expiring for 3&d guys who can stay on the floor. Worked the last time.

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And are all "2nd round talents" not good enough to play when it counts? Or maybe you mean just ours?

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Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers

And what's this supposed to mean? Don't player development staffs exist?

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[BeesWax]

This is cool and all but we are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league last year. What good is it to have Scoot/Melo playmaking if we don't have shooters around them?

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

Denver got 22.8 3PA from its starters and shot 31.2 a game as a team at a 38% clip. They were a good shooting team and did a fantastic job spacing. Are we going to be them? No and that doesn't matter who we draft. What we need to do is get to around 35 threes a game at about 35-36% to be middle of the pack in attempt and percentage. I believe that a starting lineup of Scoot/Melo/Bridges/Washington/Williams would be close to good enough that some decent bench shooters would land us there.

Bridges shot 6 at 33% in 21-22
Melo shot 10 at 37.6% this season
Washington shot 6 at 35% this season

So out of that group we are looking at 35% and 22 threes there. Now I know with everyone else that will change but I think the total attempts for each my drop a bit but I expect Washington to improve him percentage when he isn't the focal point and can be more selective. We don't have to be the best shooting team because we can attack the rim with Bridges and Scoot and finish there. Melo can create easy shots for others. Williams can anchor a defense and let us gamble on steals some for easy buckets. I don't know that either player changes this outcome a ton. They both bring different things to the table and if used correctly can be effective with our other players.

[KingCat]

Season before last the Hornets were 6th league-wide in 3FG% and 5th in attempts. What happened? No Miles=no rim pressure. No LaMelo=no playmaking. No question NBA teams can't ever have enough shooting but we've got four more picks to get shooters with after #2.

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

Denver got 22.8 3PA from its starters and shot 31.2 a game as a team at a 38% clip. They were a good shooting team and did a fantastic job spacing. Are we going to be them? No and that doesn't matter who we draft. What we need to do is get to around 35 threes a game at about 35-36% to be middle of the pack in attempt and percentage. I believe that a starting lineup of Scoot/Melo/Bridges/Washington/Williams would be close to good enough that some decent bench shooters would land us there.

Bridges shot 6 at 33% in 21-22
Melo shot 10 at 37.6% this season
Washington shot 6 at 35% this season

So out of that group we are looking at 35% and 22 threes there. Now I know with everyone else that will change but I think the total attempts for each my drop a bit but I expect Washington to improve him percentage when he isn't the focal point and can be more selective. We don't have to be the best shooting team because we can attack the rim with Bridges and Scoot and finish there. Melo can create easy shots for others. Williams can anchor a defense and let us gamble on steals some for easy buckets. I don't know that either player changes this outcome a ton. They both bring different things to the table and if used correctly can be effective with our other players.

There are a lot of people acting like this pick is the only way we can improve this team lol. If we don't take Miller, I'm sure we will have plently of options to pick up more shooters. Shooting isn't exactly an ultra-rare talent in this post 2015 NBA

[JDR720]

This is what team building is about. You have your best players, and you fill the gaps with role players. Neither Scoot or Miller are playing much next year. We're building for the future, not next season. Rozier, Gordon, Oubre etc. aren't relevant and should have 0 impact on who we draft.

There were 23 teams that made between 10.8 and 13.8 per game. The average team shoots around 35%. You don't need to be the Warriors to be a good 3pt shooting team. The 3pt gap between most teams isn't much. But as we saw in the playoffs, you need ways to score when the 3's aren't falling.

[JustBuzzin]

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

Denver got 22.8 3PA from its starters and shot 31.2 a game as a team at a 38% clip. They were a good shooting team and did a fantastic job spacing. Are we going to be them? No and that doesn't matter who we draft. What we need to do is get to around 35 threes a game at about 35-36% to be middle of the pack in attempt and percentage. I believe that a starting lineup of Scoot/Melo/Bridges/Washington/Williams would be close to good enough that some decent bench shooters would land us there.

Bridges shot 6 at 33% in 21-22
Melo shot 10 at 37.6% this season
Washington shot 6 at 35% this season

So out of that group we are looking at 35% and 22 threes there. Now I know with everyone else that will change but I think the total attempts for each my drop a bit but I expect Washington to improve him percentage when he isn't the focal point and can be more selective. We don't have to be the best shooting team because we can attack the rim with Bridges and Scoot and finish there. Melo can create easy shots for others. Williams can anchor a defense and let us gamble on steals some for easy buckets. I don't know that either player changes this outcome a ton. They both bring different things to the table and if used correctly can be effective with our other players.

There are a lot of people acting like this pick is the only way we can improve this team lol. If we don't take Miller, I'm sure we will have plently of options to pick up more shooters. Shooting isn't exactly an ultra-rare talent in this post 2015 NBA

We also don't have to take Scoot we already have a similar player in DSJ who everyone seems to forget had a bounce back season.

[JDR720]

We also don't have to take Scoot we already have a similar player in DSJ who everyone seems to forget had a bounce back season.

By that logic we don't need to take Miller either because we already have Oubre.

[JMAC3]

Great, but half that team won't be playing big minutes for this team anymore.
Terry mins are going down/traded- made the most threes per game at 37+%
Hayward shot 39%% that year, guaranteed to be gone by end of this year.
Oubre 3rd on team in makes, FA, probably gone if we take Scoot.

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers and that means you are trying to fill minutes with 2nd round talents to cover shooting? Those guys simply don't play enough minutes to be impactful. It is the same issue we have with Martin and DSJ as our best defenders, they aren't going to play a big enough mins to impact the defense heavily. Especially in the last 6 mins of games.

Then trade Terry and/or Gordon's expiring for 3&d guys who can stay on the floor. Worked the last time.

Watch on YouTube

And are all "2nd round talents" not good enough to play when it counts? Or maybe you mean just ours?

Read on Twitter

Mark, Miles and Scoot aren't good floor spacers

And what's this supposed to mean? Don't player development staffs exist?

Read on Twitter

So your solution is just have our 2nds be as good as Heat.
Trade 2 guys that aren't hot commodities for guys that every NBA team wants in 3D players.
and just count on Scoot, Mark and Miles being better shooters.

Great plan, hard to argue with that.

[JDR720]

The core argument around drafting Miller seems to boil down to he is a better shooter, and we should draft him because he fits better with the current roster because of that shooting.

But that ignores the fact that everyone on the team besides Melo, Mark and Miles (assuming he is back) are either future role players at best (Cody, Thor, Richards, DSJ etc), or shouldn't be relevant at all for the teams future (Rozier, Gordon, Oubre, ).

None of those guys should have any impact at all on who we draft. Role players don't fit? Trade them for ones that do. Old players don't fit? Trade them or let them leave when they expire.

This also ignores that we have 4 other picks, one late 1st and a few high/mid 2nd'. What is more likely at those spots, finding good 3pt shooters, or finding high upside playmakers?

[SWedd523]

The core argument around drafting Miller seems to boil down to he is a better shooter, and we should draft him because he fits better with the current roster because of that shooting.

But that ignores the fact that everyone on the team besides Melo, Mark and Miles (assuming he is back) are either future role players at best (Cody, Thor, Richards, DSJ etc), or shouldn't be relevant at all for the teams future (Rozier, Gordon, Oubre, ).

None of those guys should have any impact at all on who we draft. Role players don't fit? Trade them for ones that do. Old players don't fit? Trade them or let them leave when they expire.

This also ignores that we have 4 other picks, one late 1st and a few high/mid 2nd'. What is more likely at those spots, finding good 3pt shooters, or finding high upside playmakers?

I don't really care what the 10th, 11th, 12th guy on the roster do (in regards to this pick). They have no bearing.

There are 5 dudes on the floor at any given time.

I care about the long term viability of the starting lineup, because the #2 pick should be penciled in as a long term starter.

The starting lineup for the next half decade or so is looking like Melo, #2, Miles, PJ, and Mark. Do you think that provides enough of a shooting threat to keep opposing teams honest? I don't.

Mark isn't a threat outside the paint, Miles is a mediocre outside shooter, PJ is streaky, and Scoot's range maxes out around 20ft despite already having two years to adjust to the pro three point line.

Box-and-1 Melo every game and dare the rest to shoot.

[KingCat]

I see no world where guys like PJ (as much as I love him) and Miles (not forgetting about his pink Lemonade habits either) are guaranteed long term starters.

[JMAC3]

The core argument around drafting Miller seems to boil down to he is a better shooter, and we should draft him because he fits better with the current roster because of that shooting.

But that ignores the fact that everyone on the team besides Melo, Mark and Miles (assuming he is back) are either future role players at best (Cody, Thor, Richards, DSJ etc), or shouldn't be relevant at all for the teams future (Rozier, Gordon, Oubre, ).

None of those guys should have any impact at all on who we draft. Role players don't fit? Trade them for ones that do. Old players don't fit? Trade them or let them leave when they expire.

This also ignores that we have 4 other picks, one late 1st and a few high/mid 2nd'. What is more likely at those spots, finding good 3pt shooters, or finding high upside playmakers?

Drafting Scoot 100% dictates how you have to build the roster around him tho. And personally I don’t think he is so good that you draft him and then start rebuilding around him and extending the rebuild further.

[JMAC3]

The core argument around drafting Miller seems to boil down to he is a better shooter, and we should draft him because he fits better with the current roster because of that shooting.

But that ignores the fact that everyone on the team besides Melo, Mark and Miles (assuming he is back) are either future role players at best (Cody, Thor, Richards, DSJ etc), or shouldn't be relevant at all for the teams future (Rozier, Gordon, Oubre, ).

None of those guys should have any impact at all on who we draft. Role players don't fit? Trade them for ones that do. Old players don't fit? Trade them or let them leave when they expire.

This also ignores that we have 4 other picks, one late 1st and a few high/mid 2nd'. What is more likely at those spots, finding good 3pt shooters, or finding high upside playmakers?

I don't really care what the 10th, 11th, 12th guy on the roster do (in regards to this pick). They have no bearing.

There are 5 dudes on the floor at any given time.

I care about the long term viability of the starting lineup, because the #2 pick should be penciled in as a long term starter.

The starting lineup for the next half decade or so is looking like Melo, #2, Miles, PJ, and Mark. Do you think that provides enough of a shooting threat to keep opposing teams honest? I don't.

Mark isn't a threat outside the paint, Miles is a mediocre outside shooter, PJ is streaky, and Scoot's range maxes out around 20ft despite already having two years to adjust to the pro three point line.

Box-and-1 Melo every game and dare the rest to shoot.

PJ is probably the next player to be replaced, so you are removing your 2nd best shooter from a team that desperately needs shooting.

[SWedd523]

I see no world where guys like PJ (as much as I love him) and Miles (not forgetting about his pink Lemonade habits either) are guaranteed long term starters.

They're about to pay PJ starter money to stick around for the next 4 years or so

Miles is more tenuous, but if they stuck with him through his past season, I don't see them moving on now.

[JDR720]

The core argument around drafting Miller seems to boil down to he is a better shooter, and we should draft him because he fits better with the current roster because of that shooting.

But that ignores the fact that everyone on the team besides Melo, Mark and Miles (assuming he is back) are either future role players at best (Cody, Thor, Richards, DSJ etc), or shouldn't be relevant at all for the teams future (Rozier, Gordon, Oubre, ).

None of those guys should have any impact at all on who we draft. Role players don't fit? Trade them for ones that do. Old players don't fit? Trade them or let them leave when they expire.

This also ignores that we have 4 other picks, one late 1st and a few high/mid 2nd'. What is more likely at those spots, finding good 3pt shooters, or finding high upside playmakers?

I don't really care what the 10th, 11th, 12th guy on the roster do (in regards to this pick). They have no bearing.

There are 5 dudes on the floor at any given time.

I care about the long term viability of the starting lineup, because the #2 pick should be penciled in as a long term starter.

The starting lineup for the next half decade or so is looking like Melo, #2, Miles, PJ, and Mark. Do you think that provides enough of a shooting threat to keep opposing teams honest? I don't.

Mark isn't a threat outside the paint, Miles is a mediocre outside shooter, PJ is streaky, and Scoot's range maxes out around 20ft despite already having two years to adjust to the pro three point line.

Box-and-1 Melo every game and dare the rest to shoot.

Again, team building. And I wouldn't say PJ is a locked in starter, we may not bring him back if he gets paid to much. And even if we do keep him, he's not good enough to be locked in.

But say he is, can he shoot 35% (league average)? Yes, his career average is 36%. Can Miles shoot 35%? Yes, his career average is 35%. Including a season when he shot 40%. Melo is an élite shooter. And for what seems like the millionth time, surly Scoot can improve as a shooter. He isn't a non-shooter by any means.

Another thing is having a generational playmaker and another high level playmaker generally leads to getting good shots. And in this case, Mark a lot of lobs. He'll create gravity in the paint because of his lob threat and elite rebounding.


So, is Miller going to be a SG? Is he athletic enough for that? Can he create his own shot for that? If Miles and PJ are locked in, that is the only place he can play. Or are we drafting him to...be a 3&D player?

Drafting Scoot 100% dictates how you have to build the roster around him tho. And personally I don’t think he is so good that you draft him and then start rebuilding around him and extending the rebuild further.

So...we're drafting a guy #2 overall...to not build around him? Once again, the current roster outside of Mark/Miles/Melo aren't relevant. We need to continue building regardless of who we pick. Neither are playing much next year. We have Steve Clifford as coach. He isn't going to bench Rozier, Gordon, Oubre (if we keep him) for a rookie. He glued Mark to the bench and Swarm half the year because we had Mason Plumlee.

[SWedd523]

So, is Miller going to be a SG? Is he athletic enough for that? Can he create his own shot for that? If Miles and PJ are locked in, that is the only place he can play. Or are we drafting him to...be a 3&D player?

I mean maybe? He obviously makes one of PJ or Miles expendable. Nice thing about Miller is that he can conceivably play 2-4 as he fills out. That's some useful versatility.

For much the same reason I didn't mention Rozier as a long term starter despite having an extended contract because we're talking about Scoot being the assumed pick.

[JMAC3]

So, is Miller going to be a SG? Is he athletic enough for that? Can he create his own shot for that? If Miles and PJ are locked in, that is the only place he can play. Or are we drafting him to...be a 3&D player?

He could play 8 mins per game at the 2, 20 at the 3 and 8 at the 4. That still leaves plenty of mins for PJ and Miles. Those 3 guys are all versatile and have versatile skill sets. No problem playing them all 3 together for stretches.