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Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin & Isaiah Todd TRADED to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, six 2nd rounders, & pick swaps

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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#281 » by Jadoogar » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:10 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Sorry wizard fans. Terrible deal. I don't think we'll see anymore no trade clauses for a long time.

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You need to be in the league for minimum of 8 years and atleast 4 years with the team to even qualify for NTC.
2 time MVP Steph Curry didn't get a NTC but the wizards felt it was necessary to give one to Brad Beal? It made absolutely no sense at the time, who were you competing with? No one else could offer him this much money, why throw on the NTC?
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Post#282 » by TGW » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:14 pm

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XtremeDunkz wrote:Sorry wizard fans. Terrible deal. I don't think we'll see anymore no trade clauses for a long time.

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You need to be in the league for minimum of 8 years and atleast 4 years with the team to even qualify for NTC.
2 time MVP Steph Curry didn't get a NTC but the wizards felt it was necessary to give one to Brad Beal? It made absolutely no sense at the time, who were you competing with? No one else could offer him this much money, why throw on the NTC?


Because this is a pitiful franchise. One that wanted to reward "their guy" for his service, even though he never accomplished shxt here. A mom & pop organization that values nice guys over winners.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#283 » by WallToWall » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:14 pm

NatP4 wrote:Yeah, it’s a very dumb point made in an obnoxiously over the top condescending manner. YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH FANS, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS, I DO!!

The wizards obviously could’ve just waited a bit and not rushed into such an awful return. They let Beal and his agent fully dictate the entire process/timeline. Total joke.

They could not wait past June. If they did, he would be owed another 15% in salary when traded, and that would make an already bad contract even “bad-er”. The trade kicker would have been a problem. The draft would be over, and effectively, we would be kicking the can down the road till the start of the season. There would be more wasting time.
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Re: Bradley Beal traded to the Phoenix Suns for CP3, Shamet, 2nd round picks, and pick swaps 

Post#284 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:37 pm

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The Phoenix Suns will reportedly get some unexpected extra depth in their trade for Bradley Beal from the Washington Wizards. Jordan Goodwin has reportedly been informed he's being included in the deal and being sent to the Suns.

Goodwin was signed to a standard contract from his two-way deal in late-February of this past season. In 62 games (seven starts) with the Wizards, Goodwin averaged 6.6 points per game on 44.8% shooting from the field.

Phoenix is short on depth, with only six players under contract after this trade. Beal and Goodwin will join Deandre Ayton, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and Cameron Payne as the only Suns with contracts for the 2023-24 season, as free agency opens.


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Clearly The Suns were in the drivers seat.
Beal was in the driver's seat. I'm would not be surprisedif he demanded this.

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Yes, that is my take -- Goodwin was one of his AAU team kids.
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Post#285 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:50 pm

AFM wrote:In what way was it "clever"? We were given trade packages from 4 teams and were forced to take the absolute worst one. We had practically zero agency, this was between Beal and PHX--hard to see how we did anything at all notable, let alone clever.


AFM wrote:By the way, was it clever to include Jordan Goodwin too?

Easy there, young fella! :)

This is not the trade you, I, or anyone would have wanted.
But, there was no way to get that trade, because Brad had all the power in the situation. Power we gave him, obviously, in return for... nothing! For him signing the absolutely richest contract possible! Complete ineptitude....

But that was the previous regime. Winger & Dawkins were dealing with the reality they were handed. Nothing they could do about it.

It's the way they handled it that I find clever.

Or, to put it another way -- I'd rather this trade than to take on Herro's awful contract & Robinson's awful contract.

Let's see what they do w/ CP3.

As to Goodwin -- that ticks me off as well. But, that too reflects Beal's power: Goodwin is his protege from his AAU team.
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Post#286 » by DCZards » Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:56 pm

PIF...there's a perfectly good reason why they traded Goodwin: To make way for our boy Q. Jackson. :)
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Post#287 » by dorianwrite » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:02 pm

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Tyrone Messby wrote:It is a new day gentleman. We have this loser off our team finally with his ridiculous contract so that’s one thing to be thankful for to start off this Monday.


The addition by subtraction component of all of this aside from his contract is just pure bliss right now. Not having to witness him chumming it up with other players constantly, the dribbling off his foot or slipping on the court when it's clutch time, not having to watch him not play games where he would laugh and dance on the sidelines in games his team was getting destroyed, no more of the whiney messaging through his parasites, etc. etc. etc.

Pure bliss thinking about this.


I'd like to add that when we play the Celtics, we'll no longer have to witness the pure vanity that was Beal's insistence on guarding Jayson Tatum, a player he is in no way qualified to defend. There are many of these little moments that crystalize why Beal, for all his talents, is so frustrating to root for.
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Post#288 » by PaulinVA » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:13 pm

Excerpts from Aldridge's latest column:

"I thought giving Beal the no-trade, on top of the $251 million max contract last year, was, if unpleasant, a not-awful intangible to include to make sure you kept your star player happy. I wrote it. I said it. And I was wrong. Way wrong. Stupid wrong. Dewey Defeats Truman wrong...it doesn't matter if it was Tommy Sheppard’s idea, or Mark Bartelstein’s, or if the folks down in AI cooked it up: Leonsis is the Wizards’ governor. He OK’d it. He has to wear it. Forever."

"Paul will, almost certainly, never play a second in D.C. At 38, he clearly wants to expend whatever hoop energy he has left playing on a contending team. There was reporting Sunday that the Clippers will want to reacquire Paul, the Mayor of Lob City from 2011-17. And, look, Winger certainly knows that roster better than anyone; if there’s someone he truly covets, that could happen. (Do I like Terance Mann? No. I love Terance Mann!)."

"Digesting this bad deal will provide, at long last, a path to relevance, with clean books in the near future, and new draft picks in the offing, with a clear-eyed, unsentimental group now in charge — seeking to right a ship that has, for so, so long, listed to port."


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Post#289 » by daSwami » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:21 pm

Man, I'm going to bask in the schadenfreude of watching the Suns come to regret this trade.
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Post#290 » by TGW » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:34 pm

daSwami wrote:Man, I'm going to bask in the schadenfreude of watching the Suns come to regret this trade.


Yup, they better get used to this:

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Post#291 » by montestewart » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:44 pm

Lots of good takes on the trade, from all over the spectrum. The Consiglieri is really hitting and kicking this thread.

I’m not really feeling the Beal hate. He was far from my favorite Wizard, but he’s not the first player who took advantage of perceived management/ownership weakness to get the best deal he could for himself. Arenas and Wall, two players I liked much more than Beal, both did the same thing. That’s business, and really, Terd has much more power than any of those players, he’s a billionaire. Not being a billionaire myself, I’m usually inclined to side with labor over management. Get the best deal you can.

Loyalty in sports is largely a fiction. Players and management make the best deals they can for themselves, and then retrofit perceptions of loyalty. There are a lot of things I won’t miss about Beal, but mostly I won’t miss his lack of leadership at that price tag. But Terd didn’t keep him and and didn’t give him an NTC because of loyalty. He gave Beal what he wanted so the Wizards could market the team. Terd pays lip service to both winning and loyalty, but he seems more about marketing and profit margin. The only way to get him to connect winning with profit margin is to not give them any money for a losing team.

On its face, that doesn’t seem like much value in return for someone that was a 30 point a game scorer just a couple of seasons back. But from Beal’s perspective, why watch your career slip away with a team that is going nowhere with you as the number one option, when you can use whatever leverage the no trade clause gives you to get yourself on a team of stars that might compete for a championship, while your new team surrenders little in return? He might be wrong about that, and the Suns might suck, but if that’s what he really believes, that makes sense.

No hard feelings Beal, but I’m glad you’re gone. My ill will now is directed towards management, as is usually the case. So many years of buckling under to (not super) stars — MJ, Arenas, Wall, and now Beal — gives Wizards ownership and management a perception problem. No one ever wants to offer the Wizards the best deal, because history says they will settle for less. I don’t know whether this was the best deal the Wizards could’ve possibly gotten, but I think this deal has Terd’s sticky, bumbling fingers all over it, just as the NTC did.

One thing that puzzles me: I thought the league automatically investigated any trade involving Chris Paul.

Not as upset about this one as I am about some of the ones in the past (Webber trade, #5 pick trade, Vesely pick). I have a lot of sympathy for the people that are really upset, as this is the culmination of long festering general disappointment over Beal.

The Beal-Wizards relationship reminds me of a pulp novel or movie, where a wealthy, nebbish fellow is trying to hang onto a much younger and really hot girlfriend. Everyone knows she’s bad for him, everyone knows she will leave him crying, and she does. The question now is, will he turn into the real killer on an episode of Perry Mason, or will he enjoy his newfound freedom and move on?

That’s all I got for now, until I read Nivek’s take. Regardless, I’m ready to move on from the Beal era.
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Post#292 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:51 pm

With all those 2nd rounds picks maybe we can actually move up into the late 1st. There are teams that will move back. For example we did when we traded a 1st to move back into the 2nd round to draft Todd.
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Post#293 » by daSwami » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:34 pm

montestewart wrote:Lots of good takes on the trade, from all over the spectrum. The Consiglieri is really hitting and kicking this thread.

I’m not really feeling the Beal hate. He was far from my favorite Wizard, but he’s not the first player who took advantage of perceived management/ownership weakness to get the best deal he could for himself. Arenas and Wall, two players I liked much more than Beal, both did the same thing. That’s business, and really, Terd has much more power than any of those players, he’s a billionaire. Not being a billionaire myself, I’m usually inclined to side with labor over management. Get the best deal you can.



I completely get the Beal hate - we all need a vessel, and he's an easy one, although dragging Gil into this conversation is blasphemous. My memory (albeit rose-tinted) is that Arenas took a voluntary pay cut so the Wizards had enough cash available to extend Jamison.
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Post#295 » by montestewart » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:42 pm

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montestewart wrote:Lots of good takes on the trade, from all over the spectrum. The Consiglieri is really hitting and kicking this thread.

I’m not really feeling the Beal hate. He was far from my favorite Wizard, but he’s not the first player who took advantage of perceived management/ownership weakness to get the best deal he could for himself. Arenas and Wall, two players I liked much more than Beal, both did the same thing. That’s business, and really, Terd has much more power than any of those players, he’s a billionaire. Not being a billionaire myself, I’m usually inclined to side with labor over management. Get the best deal you can.



I completely get the Beal hate - we all need a vessel, and he's an easy one, although dragging Gil into this conversation is blasphemous. My memory (albeit rose-tinted) is that Arenas took a voluntary pay cut so the Wizards had enough cash available to extend Jamison.

My memory was that no one was offering as much as the Wizards offered Arenas, with Golden State, being the closest second, because he was injured and no one could predict whether he would come back completely (and he didn’t). The deal Arenas offered was discounted from the Wizards overpay that included an additional year, motivated by his desire to have a decent team, appear to be a nice guy, and still end up with more money than any other team could’ve offered. Not knocking him, he did throw a bone to the highest bidder.
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Post#296 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:57 pm

leswizards wrote:Since so many people are crying over this deal, I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Wizards just fleeced the Phoenix Suns. ...Chris Paul is a much better player on a cheaper contract than Beal. He is also more durable, and the Wizards are already in the process of flipping him for more assets. And the Wizards got several 2nd round picks in the deal.

Hear hear! I agree 100%.
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Post#297 » by daSwami » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:57 pm

Gil also asked for an extra penny, b/c he idolized Penny Hardaway as a kid. Total money grab.
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Post#298 » by montestewart » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:00 pm

daSwami wrote:Gil also asked for an extra penny, b/c he idolized Penny Hardaway as a kid. Total money grab.

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