Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[WeekapaugGroove]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

I think Phoenix would do it. I don't have a good feel for what Portland is going to do this summer at all.

This is exactly the type of deal the suns should be looking for where it gives them depth, size to replace Ayton and expiring contracts that allow them to dip under the second apron next summer if they feel they need to.
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[machu46]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Feels like a no-brainer for Phoenix and Milwaukee. Not sure Ayton has this level of value...guessing Portland would be the ones to say no but it's hard to know for sure. Guessing #23 doesn't need to be included at all.

[Frank Nova]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Seems like we’re getting slighted pretty bad and Phx is making out like bandits. #23 should be coming to Milwaukee in this deal and I could be sold.

You could argue Portis is the best player in the trade..

Ayton is insanely overrated. He’s limited, lazy and still living off his draft profile as 1st overall pick which still holds true today was an absolute blunder by Phoenix. Bobby, Nurkic and Grayson is more than enough value for Ayton, probably even too much. No way Phx gets 23 too.

I’d rather go after Poole, Rozier, IQ or Buddy over Simons if we’re not getting a 1st round pick back as well. Simons is young and offensively gifted but he’s an injury concern and a very 1 sided player..

[RiotPunch]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Feels like a no-brainer for Phoenix and Milwaukee. Not sure Ayton has this level of value...guessing Portland would be the ones to say no but it's hard to know for sure. Guessing #23 doesn't need to be included at all.

Yeah, I was on the fence with the pick. I agree and think PHX takes it without.

[RiotPunch]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Seems like we’re getting slighted pretty bad and Phx is making out like bandits. #23 should be coming to Milwaukee in this deal and I could be sold.

You could argue Portis is the best player in the trade..

Ayton is insanely overrated. He’s limited, lazy and still living off his draft profile as 1st overall pick which still holds true today was an absolute blunder by Phoenix. Bobby, Nurkic and Grayson is more than enough value for Ayton, probably even too much. No way Phx gets 23 too.

I’d rather go after Poole, Rozier, IQ or Buddy over Simons if we’re not getting a 1st round pick back as well. Simons is young and offensively gifted but he’s an injury concern and a very 1 sided player..

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

[rayallenscalves]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Feels like a no-brainer for Phoenix and Milwaukee. Not sure Ayton has this level of value...guessing Portland would be the ones to say no but it's hard to know for sure. Guessing #23 doesn't need to be included at all.

Yeah, I was on the fence with the pick. I agree and think PHX takes it without.

I'd be hesitant to package Bobby, Grayson and Patty in a 3-for-1, knowing that'd likely destroy our depth. I like Simons, but if the Bucks went the 3-for-1 route, I'd want someone better (bigger, better defender) in return.

[RiotPunch]

Another spitball in the same vein.

MKE: Quickley, Hartenstein, Fournier
NYK: Ayton, Allen
PHX: Portis, Robinson, Connaughton

[Ron Swanson]

I'd easily talk myself into Simons if all it took was any combination of Bobby/Grayson/Pat. Jrue/Simons/Middleton/Giannis/Lopez is about as balanced a starting lineup as there is. All 5 can all give you 20+ on good efficiency any given night, and Simons is really your only bad defender. I might even include a pick swap to get it done.

[Frank Nova]

Another spitball in the same vein.

MKE: Quickley, Hartenstein, Fournier
NYK: Ayton, Allen
PHX: Portis, Robinson, Connaughton

I like this 1 much more than Simons. All 3 players coming to Milwaukee are solid fits for the roster and legit replacement players for what we’re sending out. I actually think Fournier could have a resurgence of sorts if he could get away from Thibs. He’s not built for a coach that demands so much on defense where he struggles and doesn’t care about the type of offense he excels at. IQ and Jrue is a dynamo pairing and IH is a very solid 15-20mpg backup center that could play with Brook or Giannis all his minutes. This is fantastic for Milwaukee…

Probably need a pick of some sort heading to NYK but I only say that because I don’t value Ayton the same the NBA GMs likely do.. maybe he’s seen as a prize? Also think Phoenix makes out like bandits again due to the same reason, over valuing Ayton…. You could be spot on tho, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I just personally don’t see the excitement with Ayton but I’m far from a NBA decision maker lol.

[WeekapaugGroove]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

Seems like we’re getting slighted pretty bad and Phx is making out like bandits. #23 should be coming to Milwaukee in this deal and I could be sold.

You could argue Portis is the best player in the trade..

Ayton is insanely overrated. He’s limited, lazy and still living off his draft profile as 1st overall pick which still holds true today was an absolute blunder by Phoenix. Bobby, Nurkic and Grayson is more than enough value for Ayton, probably even too much. No way Phx gets 23 too.

I’d rather go after Poole, Rozier, IQ or Buddy over Simons if we’re not getting a 1st round pick back as well. Simons is young and offensively gifted but he’s an injury concern and a very 1 sided player..

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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[RiotPunch]

Another spitball in the same vein.

MKE: Quickley, Hartenstein, Fournier
NYK: Ayton, Allen
PHX: Portis, Robinson, Connaughton

I like this 1 much more than Simons. All 3 players coming to Milwaukee are solid fits for the roster and legit replacement players for what we’re sending out. I actually think Fournier could have a resurgence of sorts if he could get away from Thibs. He’s not built for a coach that demands so much on defense where he struggles and doesn’t care about the type of offense he excels at. IQ and Jrue is a dynamo pairing and IH is a very solid 15-20mpg backup center that could play with Brook or Giannis all his minutes. This is fantastic for Milwaukee…

Probably need a pick of some sort heading to NYK but I only say that because I don’t value Ayton the same the NBA GMs likely do.. maybe he’s seen as a prize? Also think Phoenix makes out like bandits again due to the same reason, over valuing Ayton…. You could be spot on tho, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I just personally don’t see the excitement with Ayton but I’m far from a NBA decision maker lol.

Can't believe Fournier is only 30. At the very least he has some length, shooting, and playmaking ability. Worst case he sucks and comes off the books next summer.

[German Athens]

I’ve cooled some on simons over the past month, largely due to the question marks on defense, particularly team defense. But if you bring him in alongside our core 4 - he’s someone who could conceivably displace Jrue immediately as that third guy offensively, and simons still has the potential to blossom into something more on that end.

He’s has one of the quickest most beautiful strokes in the league, he’s very quick and bouncy, and he has a pretty slick handle. All of those things would be welcomed here.

[RiotPunch]

I’ve cooled some on simons over the past month, largely due to the question marks on defense, particularly team defense. But if you bring him in alongside our core 4 - he’s someone who could conceivably displace Jrue immediately as that third guy offensively, and simons still has the potential to blossom into something more on that end.

He’s has one of the quickest most beautiful strokes in the league, he’s very quick and bouncy, and he has a pretty slick handle. All of those things would be welcomed here.

I do think his defense could improve a decent bit under Griff. I think he is willing and athletic enough, he just doesn't have a **** clue right now. Plus, he seems like a super high-character kid, which we obviously value highly.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’ve cooled some on simons over the past month, largely due to the question marks on defense, particularly team defense. But if you bring him in alongside our core 4 - he’s someone who could conceivably displace Jrue immediately as that third guy offensively, and simons still has the potential to blossom into something more on that end.

He’s has one of the quickest most beautiful strokes in the league, he’s very quick and bouncy, and he has a pretty slick handle. All of those things would be welcomed here.

I do think his defense could improve a decent bit under Griff. I think he is willing and athletic enough, he just doesn't have a **** clue right now. Plus, he seems like a super high-character kid, which we obviously value highly.

Yeah I think we underestimate how much effort and accountability factor into NBA defense. If you try and stay mentally locked in almost any player can play at least passable D.

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[Frank Nova]

Seems like we’re getting slighted pretty bad and Phx is making out like bandits. #23 should be coming to Milwaukee in this deal and I could be sold.

You could argue Portis is the best player in the trade..

Ayton is insanely overrated. He’s limited, lazy and still living off his draft profile as 1st overall pick which still holds true today was an absolute blunder by Phoenix. Bobby, Nurkic and Grayson is more than enough value for Ayton, probably even too much. No way Phx gets 23 too.

I’d rather go after Poole, Rozier, IQ or Buddy over Simons if we’re not getting a 1st round pick back as well. Simons is young and offensively gifted but he’s an injury concern and a very 1 sided player..

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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Ayton is probably still butt hurt over Phoenix matching his offer sheet to Indiana when he begged them not to and he was already out of favor with Monty Williams. Still an unprofessional look and he’s shown that he prioritizes his own selfishness over what’s best for his team. Not saying he’s a bad player but he drew comparisons to David Robinson and he’s a far cry from that type of player. Excelling on a bad team like you’re suggesting still doesn’t warrant and haul in trade assets.. I’d take Bobby over Ayton for multiple reasons..

[msiris]

Feels like a no-brainer for Phoenix and Milwaukee. Not sure Ayton has this level of value...guessing Portland would be the ones to say no but it's hard to know for sure. Guessing #23 doesn't need to be included at all.

Yeah, I was on the fence with the pick. I agree and think PHX takes it without.

I'd be hesitant to package Bobby, Grayson and Patty in a 3-for-1, knowing that'd likely destroy our depth. I like Simons, but if the Bucks went the 3-for-1 route, I'd want someone better (bigger, better defender) in return.

I don't think you should worry about 3 guys who disappear in the playoffs.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah, I was on the fence with the pick. I agree and think PHX takes it without.

I'd be hesitant to package Bobby, Grayson and Patty in a 3-for-1, knowing that'd likely destroy our depth. I like Simons, but if the Bucks went the 3-for-1 route, I'd want someone better (bigger, better defender) in return.

I don't think you should worry about 3 guys who disappear in the playoffs.

Patty C is a big balls playoff performer. He's be the one guy I'd hesitate to trade in this deal.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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Ayton is probably still butt hurt over Phoenix matching his offer sheet to Indiana when he begged them not to and he was already out of favor with Monty Williams. Still an unprofessional look and he’s shown that he prioritizes his own selfishness over what’s best for his team. Not saying he’s a bad player but he drew comparisons to David Robinson and he’s a far cry from that type of player. Excelling on a bad team like you’re suggesting still doesn’t warrant and haul in trade assets.. I’d take Bobby over Ayton for multiple reasons..

Yeah he's no **** Admiral. People have always confused his body and what he physically looks like with what his game is actually like. Play style he's way more LaMarcus Aldridge where he wants to face you up and shoot vs the bruising Cs people comp him with.

I think he was most butt hurt about the fact Phoenix wouldn't give him the 5 yr max than anything else. There's also kind of a weird deal with him and Booker, off the court they seem to be fine (Ayton is a very affable guy) but in the court he was Bookers whipping boy getting death stares or straight up screamed at when he's not playing hard.

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[buckboy]

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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Ayton is probably still butt hurt over Phoenix matching his offer sheet to Indiana when he begged them not to and he was already out of favor with Monty Williams. Still an unprofessional look and he’s shown that he prioritizes his own selfishness over what’s best for his team. Not saying he’s a bad player but he drew comparisons to David Robinson and he’s a far cry from that type of player. Excelling on a bad team like you’re suggesting still doesn’t warrant and haul in trade assets.. I’d take Bobby over Ayton for multiple reasons..

I never heard that comparison. I'd just like to take this opportunity to laugh at anyone who made it.

[RiotPunch]

Just getting all of these out of my system.

MKE: Kenrich, Nwaba, Wiggins, #12
PHX: Portis, Allen
OKC: Ayton

Worst case, take a shot on a late lotto pick and add three role players. Best case, #12 is more attractive to Portland in a Lillard deal than our guys.