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[jbk1234]

Mitchell is a 2 way Beal? Oof, not sure I would agree with that.

If all it took to land Beal was Love and a bunch of 2nds, I'd much rather do that than 6 first rounders and an All-Star.

I don't think Beal was waiving his NTC to come to Cleveland without Mitchell on the roster.

I agree, ijs Cavs kinda got bent over. I'd honestly rather have old man KD than Mitchell, for similar packages.

What's done is done, but if we're handing out Mulligans, I just stay the course and do neither trade. Sexton's time in Cleveland was up, so you had to get whatever you could for him, but hitting the accelerator the way we did was unnecessary.

[JujitsuFlip]

Setting aside what the Suns gave up for Durant (and it was arguably more than what the Cavs gave up for Mitchell), is Beal a stud?

Is that even a question? lol

3x All-Star and 1 time All-NBA. If he's not a stud, we're in trouble because Cavs traded for a very similar player.

Player 1 career numbers: 22.1ppg/4.3apg/4.1rpg/1.1 stl/.4 blk/2.2 foul/2.5 TO

Player 2 career numbers: 24.6ppg/4.5apg/4.2rpg/1.3 stl/.3 blk/2.5 foul/2.8 TO

Player 1 career shooting: 52.2% eFG and 56.4% TS

Player 2 career shooting: 52.2% eFG and 56.5% TS

Might wanna be very careful how you answer your own question.

29 year old averaging 51 games per year over the last 4 years, with a declining 3ptRate since 2018 to go along with a climbing ToV rate. Beal exited his peak a while ago.

Mitchell is 26 years old, healthier, a better shooter, plays okay defense, and I struggle to find an advanced state that doesn’t favor him.

Beal is the type of trade you make when your pieces are in place and you are desperately trying to get over the hump. Without Mitchell the Cavs don’t have the team in place to make that type of deal.

This is where handling of Love went awry and why they need to bring back LeVert.

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It's skewed because games were cancelled in 2 of the 4 seasons, due to covid. He played 79.16% of the bubble season and he played 83.33% of the shortened season. That's not awful.

You can nitpick w.e advanced stat you want, they have almost identical career production.

[JujitsuFlip]

The Suns getting the Wizards to throw in Todd and Goodwin into the Beal deal is something I wish the Cavs woulda did in the Mitchell trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

A little silver lining of the KP trade is maybe the Celtics don't pickup Muscala's team option or be more willing to trade him, if they do.

[mcfly1204]

A little silver lining of the KP trade is maybe the Celtics don't pickup Muscala's team option or be more willing to trade him, if they do.

Oh yes, please, I'd love the Cavs to sign a 32 year old end of bench guy. That will fix everything.

[JujitsuFlip]

A little silver lining of the KP trade is maybe the Celtics don't pickup Muscala's team option or be more willing to trade him, if they do.

Oh yes, please, I'd love the Cavs to sign a 32 year old end of bench guy. That will fix everything.

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

[mcfly1204]

A little silver lining of the KP trade is maybe the Celtics don't pickup Muscala's team option or be more willing to trade him, if they do.

Oh yes, please, I'd love the Cavs to sign a 32 year old end of bench guy. That will fix everything.

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

[JujitsuFlip]

Oh yes, please, I'd love the Cavs to sign a 32 year old end of bench guy. That will fix everything.

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

How many minutes do you expect your 3rd or 4th big to play?

In the regular season, Mobley and Allen are only leaving 29 MPG at the 4 and 5. In the playoffs the same duo only left 20 MPG at the 4 and 5.

Muscala is a perfect fit.

[mcfly1204]

I want to be comfortable with the thought of our 3rd big being able to start in the event that Mobley or Allen go down with injury. If you want Muscala to ride pine as an emergency big, I have no problem with that. If you think Mike Muscala will be an impact player, think again.

[JujitsuFlip]

I want to be comfortable with the thought of our 3rd big being able to start in the event that Mobley or Allen go down with injury. If you want Muscala to ride pine as an emergency big, I have no problem with that. If you think Mike Muscala will be an impact player, think again.

We don't need 4 starting bigs on the roster, sorry. You're the 2nd poster to say that.

A front court of Mobley and Allen starting with Wade and a vet like Muscala as the 2 backups and Stevens getting whatever situational minutes, is fine.

Has Allen gotten hurt every single March since the Cavs acquired him? Yes but Cavs have bigger holes to patch, cross your fingers and toes that Allen can actually make it to the end of a season, will some of that Nuggets magic.

[JonFromVA]

Oh yes, please, I'd love the Cavs to sign a 32 year old end of bench guy. That will fix everything.

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

Well, by all means ... if there's a 25 year old big that can defend, rebound, shoot, and start when needed ... let's do that instead.

I'm not agreeing that Muscala would "fix everything" and it's no sure thing we can even work out a rotation that would really leverage him; but something about beggars and choosers comes to mind.

[mcfly1204]

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

Well, by all means ... if there's a 25 year old big that can defend, rebound, shoot, and start when needed ... let's do that instead.

I'm not agreeing that Muscala would "fix everything" and it's no sure thing we can even work out a rotation that would really leverage him; but something about beggars and choosers comes to mind.

We're talking dime a dozen guys who you look to acquire to fill out the bottom of your roster. We have two holes, 3nD wing, and a 3rd big who can stretch the floor. A guy like Muscala can help stretch the floor, but do you really want him as your third big?

[toooskies]

You focus so much on age, it's comical.

The guy is 6'10" and shoots 38% from deep and is making $3.5 million but because he's over 30 you think he can't back-up Mobley and Allen, smfh.

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

How many minutes do you expect your 3rd or 4th big to play?

In the regular season, Mobley and Allen are only leaving 29 MPG at the 4 and 5. In the playoffs the same duo only left 20 MPG at the 4 and 5.

Muscala is a perfect fit.

Arguably you want Allen and Mobley to play fewer minutes than they did last year. You want enough depth so that your starters don't look tired on the court, which is something I thought about both of them during the year and in the playoffs.

[JonFromVA]

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

Well, by all means ... if there's a 25 year old big that can defend, rebound, shoot, and start when needed ... let's do that instead.

I'm not agreeing that Muscala would "fix everything" and it's no sure thing we can even work out a rotation that would really leverage him; but something about beggars and choosers comes to mind.

We're talking dime a dozen guys who you look to acquire to fill out the bottom of your roster. We have two holes, 3nD wing, and a 3rd big who can stretch the floor. A guy like Muscala can help stretch the floor, but do you really want him as your third big?

Well, I see lineups that worked very well with Muscala playing backup C and if we could reasonably reproduce them (which may require other moves), why not?

If you've got another dozen dimes to look at, I'd be glad to take a look and see if they were ever part of productive lineups too; because that's all I'm saying.

My focus is always on bringing in players who can help us win the minutes they are in the game.

[JujitsuFlip]

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

How many minutes do you expect your 3rd or 4th big to play?

In the regular season, Mobley and Allen are only leaving 29 MPG at the 4 and 5. In the playoffs the same duo only left 20 MPG at the 4 and 5.

Muscala is a perfect fit.

Arguably you want Allen and Mobley to play fewer minutes than they did last year. You want enough depth so that your starters don't look tired on the court, which is something I thought about both of them during the year and in the playoffs.

Obviously but that's on the coach too, JB is gonna JB. When we have massive leads late in games, it's clear to pull the starters and JB doesn't, there's one way to fix that and I'll give ya a hint, it's not a player issue.

[JonFromVA]

No, I am focused on a 32 year old stretch 5 who has averaged 15mpg for his career.

How many minutes do you expect your 3rd or 4th big to play?

In the regular season, Mobley and Allen are only leaving 29 MPG at the 4 and 5. In the playoffs the same duo only left 20 MPG at the 4 and 5.

Muscala is a perfect fit.

Arguably you want Allen and Mobley to play fewer minutes than they did last year. You want enough depth so that your starters don't look tired on the court, which is something I thought about both of them during the year and in the playoffs.

If we were to sign Muscala, we might want to build a spread floor rotation with Muscala at C which could lead to plenty of rest for Allen and Mobley.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.fearthesword.com/platform/amp/2023/6/26/23774858/cleveland-cavaliers-brooklyn-nets-nba-paris

Well, that's interesting. Can't imagine the jet lag it'll cause but once in a lifetime chance.

[JujitsuFlip]

Rockets are linked to everyone ahead of FA.

Brooks, Kuzma, and FVV, are already locks by the rumor mill.

[ijspeelman]

Jalen Rose was just waived. He'd be a good candidate for the three

[jbk1234]

The Jazz extending Clarkson is a bad sign for Sexton.