2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[tiderulz]

Calling Franz the best prospect out of his draft, seems very rose colored glasses.

Who do you like better from that draft?

It’s not rose colored glasses for now. Franz is absolutely in the discussion with Mobley. Now, we don’t know how things progress from here but Franz is definitely in tier 1 of that draft.

tier 1, yes. looking at year 2, a lot are very similar in impact and efficiency.

[jonbob17]

I am at the point where I want two of the following: Black, Hendricks, Cason, Gradey, would also settle for Lively at 11, but prefer 2 of the top 4.

I like Black the most out of this group, but I think Cason is a better fit. I don't hate the idea of Black and Cason either, not sure we should add two guards, but i think they both can play (and guard) multiple positions, and possibly the two BPAs at our pick.

If we pick a Thompson, i will just trust the FO just have a much better read on their games than I do. Just have hard time with their shooting, given they have had two years of nothing but basketball to focus on, and even more specifically the nba draft, and they still can't shoot. Just cant get through how. much of them are hype.

Can't wait until Thursday.

[jonbob17]

Who do you like better from that draft?

It’s not rose colored glasses for now. Franz is absolutely in the discussion with Mobley. Now, we don’t know how things progress from here but Franz is definitely in tier 1 of that draft.

tier 1, yes. looking at year 2, a lot are very similar in impact and efficiency.

I mean who would you trade Franz for from that class straight up. Only ones I would consider is Mobley or Cade, and I'd give the edge to Franz over Mobley just based on position and offense. Franz is a much better player than Cade at the moment, would really have to buy into Cade's potential to choose him.

I am not sure if people will say Franz is the best player in the class ten years from now, but its hard to argue that he isn't right now. Mobley maybe an outside case, but he's also surrounded by all stars, including a really good center, where if Mobley is going to meet his expectations he should end up playing.

[JoshuaPotter]

“Making sure their are pathways for the rookies to play.”

This leans heavily into drafting a guard and possibly Lively. If we like him at 11. I do not think we do. But he did interview.

Do we think Hendricks can play "C"?

0 chance you want 218lb Hendricks to play C.

Do I?

[eyriq]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

[cedric76]

Bilal incoming, he is better than the Thompson Twins at same age while competing against better competition

I d trade 6 for 9 + Future FRPS

Then draft Bilal at 9

[BCS]

I’m warming up on Bilal.

He really has shown a lot of progress since the first game to the last game this season.

Made some nice reads and has shown ability to blow by his opponents.

Much is still left to be desired with his pullup game. But i think his shooting and ability to put the ball down and drive is something to look at. Wouldnt be surprised if he is picked at 11.

Picking him would be like a Giannis type swing of a pick weham did back in milwaukee. Will he be Giannis, no. But I think both their physical tools, skills and motor at the same age have similarities. Of course there is also a chance he turns in a bust. Lol

And with Mikal Bridges becoming a breakout player this year, I think it helps Bilal’s stock

Agree with you. We can pick Ausar/Whitmore at 6, Coulibaly at 11. Since we give up to draft shooters, we can sign GTJ in FA and use Full MLE to sign a backup center who can grab rebounds.

I think if we target ausar and bilal with 6 and 11 respectively would be the biggest swing of a move this front office makes.

Thus said, I doubt it happens. This front office is quite conservative. I think our 11th pick will be contingent on who will be available at 6th. Just my opinion, but i think two projects might be too much for this front office.

If they keep both picks, that is how I have it. Ausar at 6 and Bilal at 11. It is a 2 for 1 homerun type swing. Having said that, I still believe their preference is to package one of the picks and bring in just one.

But if that is how this draft turns out, they better be bringing the top 3pt shooting coach in the world to work 24/7 with our roster.

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[JoshuaPotter]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

In my head, I keep thinking there is some truth to the rumor about wanting a PG and that likely we see Scoot / Amen as one of the two prospects.

But I don't think a deal happens. I think we get Ausar at #6. He won't challenge Suggs for minutes yet and has the chance to grow into his role as a shooter / wing off the bench. His defensive tenacity will hopefully challenge Suggs for playing time forcing them both to become better.

Is it too late to hope that Suggs turns into a PG?

[eyriq]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

In my head, I keep thinking there is some truth to the rumor about wanting a PG and that likely we see Scoot / Amen as one of the two prospects.

But I don't think a deal happens. I think we get Ausar at #6. He won't challenge Suggs for minutes yet and has the chance to grow into his role as a shooter / wing off the bench. His defensive tenacity will hopefully challenge Suggs for playing time forcing them both to become better.

Is it too late to hope that Suggs turns into a PG?

Suggs' development path, now that's an interesting conversation. Even at Gonzaga his assist percentage was combo guardish. He can defend the position though, no doubt about it.

[VFX]

For the record..

I’d rather have Bilal than either Thompson given the information at hand and the dynamics of the rest of the roster.

[Magicman125]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

I'd trade back from 6 to get 8 or 9 to take Hendricks and a future asset, I just like his fit better with our roster as I think another year of chance to prove it from our guard rotation is warranted.

[JoshuaPotter]

Suggs' development path, now that's an interesting conversation. Even at Gonzaga his assist percentage was combo guardish. He can defend the position though, no doubt about it.

Tons of scouting reports say Ausar can too.

For the record..

I’d rather have Bilal than either Thompson given the information at hand and the dynamics of the rest of the roster.

At this point, I am trying to guess management fit. Not what I think works.

[JoshuaPotter]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

I'd trade back from 6 to get 8 or 9 to take Hendricks and a future asset, I just like his fit better with our roster as I think another year of chance to prove it from our guard rotation is warranted.

This is a great idea so to speak. If we had a legit 3rd option. We dont.

We got Paulo, Franz and then its the land of flatsam jetsam, pain panic, henchmen gonna hench.

Unless thats the point with this proposal?

[JoshuaPotter]

The only thing that stood out from me is that Brandon Miller might be completely passed on if he isn't seen as a good "moral" fit.

Unless instead of saying moral he meant morale. I had a lot of background noise.

[davey_wavy]

How about #6, #11, #36, (4) Future FRPs + Franz for San Antonios #1

[The-Stallion70]

Anyone else not thrilled with Cason? A defensive minded guard has limited upside in today's offense-driven NBA where the best player is a chubbyish center who sees the entire floor like Tom Brady.

[Magicman125]

Looking at variations between mocks, there is a lot more uncertainty around our No. 6 pick vs our No.11 pick. Especially when you consider the uncertainty of picks around those selections.

At No. 6 it's lining up to be a choice between Ausar, Black, and Walker

At No. 11 it's lining up to be Gradey Dick, with Bufkin, JHS, Keyonte, NSJ, or Hawkins as options.

Hendricks could slide to 11 based on mocks as well, and Coulibaly will possibly be an option at 11.

Looking good!

I'd trade back from 6 to get 8 or 9 to take Hendricks and a future asset, I just like his fit better with our roster as I think another year of chance to prove it from our guard rotation is warranted.

This is a great idea so to speak. If we had a legit 3rd option. We dont.

We got Paulo, Franz and then its the land of flatsam jetsam, pain panic, henchmen gonna hench.

Unless thats the point with this proposal?

I don't believe in Ausar, Black or Walker at #6 to be that third difference maker. So if we're only going to get complimentary pieces, might as well get one that's maximally complimentary to the two building blocks we're sure on in Paolo and Franz. The cost of teams at 8 or 9 moving up being a future asset would only add to our ability to be ready to trade for that third star/foundational piece when that opportunity arises is my point.

[Ducklett]

6 to Utah for 9 and future 2025 1st.
9 to OKC for 12 and future 2025 1st.

Wallace/Dick/Bilal/Lively at 11 and 12. Now have 3 picks to add to ours to trade for Luka/Giannis/next disgruntled superstar or 4 picks in the next "generational" draft to move up with.

[ogmagicfan]

I gotta ask the small group of people pushing for Dick at #6... why?

I understand we need shooting badly, but I wouldn't take Dick in a weak draft at 6, let alone a deep draft at 6 like this yr at 6. I'm not even sure we take him at 11 even though there's a chance. I like the greater offensive versatality of Kobe Bufkin or Hawkins more personally

It seems like a gross overreaction towards what our biggest weakness is (shooting) instead of taking BPA

[RichCollab]

6 to Utah for 9 and future 2025 1st.
9 to OKC for 12 and future 2025 1st.

Wallace/Dick/Bilal/Lively at 11 and 12. Now have 3 picks to add to ours to trade for Luka/Giannis/next disgruntled superstar or 4 picks in the next "generational" draft to move up with.

We need to consolidate our assets not water down our picks.