Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[raferfenix]

Does Dame demand out if they keep #3 but bring aboard non—stars to help win now?

Blazers trade: Simons, picks (ideally #23 but we need 2nds too)

Bucks trade: Bobby, Connaughton, Allen


If Portland can turn Bobby and other stuff into a bigger upgrade sure go for it. Reports are saying they don’t want Ayton though:

https://www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2023/6/12/23758343/portland-trail-blazers-not-interested-deandre-ayton-trade-says-phoenix-suns-insider

[RiotPunch]

Does Dame demand out if they keep #3 but bring aboard non—stars to help win now?

Blazers trade: Simons, picks (ideally #23 but we need 2nds too)

Bucks trade: Bobby, Connaughton, Allen


If Portland can turn Bobby and other stuff into a bigger upgrade sure go for it. Reports are saying they don’t want Ayton though:

https://www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2023/6/12/23758343/portland-trail-blazers-not-interested-deandre-ayton-trade-says-phoenix-suns-insider

Ah, did not see that regarding Ayton. Still a nice return for the Blazers, though. Not as sexy on paper, but they'd be better for it.

[ReasonablySober]

#3 or Dame are all I want from Portland. Simons does nothing for me.

[RiotPunch]

#3 or Dame are all I want from Portland. Simons does nothing for me.

Nothing? Not even jokes? NSFW.

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[machu46]

Seems like we’re getting slighted pretty bad and Phx is making out like bandits. #23 should be coming to Milwaukee in this deal and I could be sold.

You could argue Portis is the best player in the trade..

Ayton is insanely overrated. He’s limited, lazy and still living off his draft profile as 1st overall pick which still holds true today was an absolute blunder by Phoenix. Bobby, Nurkic and Grayson is more than enough value for Ayton, probably even too much. No way Phx gets 23 too.

I’d rather go after Poole, Rozier, IQ or Buddy over Simons if we’re not getting a 1st round pick back as well. Simons is young and offensively gifted but he’s an injury concern and a very 1 sided player..

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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I think there’s a reasonable argument to be made that Phoenix put him in a role that’s more limited than his skillset deserves. Not sure having him in a bigger role is necessarily a team’s path to more wins but feels like a reasonable buy low candidate to me.

I know Woj has said Ayton’s market is surprisingly lean or something though.


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[buckboy]

#3 or Dame are all I want from Portland. Simons does nothing for me.

Nothing? Not even jokes?

Watch on YouTube

Not that I know for sure, but a friend of mine told me not to play this with the volume up if you're in an office setting.

Thank God my mom was the only one here and she's basically deaf. She might've had a grabber if she had her hearing aids in.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, Ayton's value is tough to peg. Probably gets a better return than he deserves due to his age and being a former #1 overall pick. Definitely would agree he is not worth this in my eyes. #23 coming back to us would be great if you can sell Portland on Ayton. Was just trying to find an Ayton for depth deal that makes some sense for us.

Ayton is just kind of an enigma in general. I can't stand the dude but it's not like he's a bad player. Heck if you watch him on the right night you'd think he's a very good player. He has all the tools you'd want in a big man he just doesn't always use them.

He's kind of the Tim Thomas of bigs where you aren't quite sure what you're going to get night to night and you see the talent but it also leaves you wanting more.

I think he'd be a good gamble for a bad team. Give him a **** ton of post touches and see what happens. He is that type of big that the more you involve him on O the more he stays locked in on D.

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I think there’s a reasonable argument to be made that Phoenix put him in a role that’s more limited than his skillset deserves. Not sure having him in a bigger role is necessarily a team’s path to more wins but feels like a reasonable buy low candidate to me.

I know Woj has said Ayton’s market is surprisingly lean or something though.


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Yeah there's always been a disconnect between what they needed out of Ayton and what he wants to do.

There's a small but vocal band of Aytonholic suns fans who swear it's been everyone else's fault and if DA was the featured player he'd average 25 and 12 or something. I doubt and even if he did I don't really think pounding the rock into the post is how you win in 2023.

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[RiotPunch]

#3 or Dame are all I want from Portland. Simons does nothing for me.

Nothing? Not even jokes?

Watch on YouTube

Not that I know for sure, but a friend of mine told me not to play this with the volume up if you're in an office setting.

Thank God my mom was the only one here and she's basically deaf. She might've had a grabber if she had her hearing aids in.

Sorry, NSFW. But funny.

[raferfenix]

If Portland actually wants to keep Dame they gotta be sweating Miami’s non-move with Beal.

Pat Riley tends to do well in these scenarios. Blazers could be a team that can be taken advantage of.

I don’t know Simons well enough to have a strong opinion but he seems to check a lot of boxes for what we’d want if we are keeping the core 4 together.

[machu46]

If Portland actually wants to keep Dame they gotta be sweating Miami’s non-move with Beal.

Pat Riley tends to do well in these scenarios. Blazers could be a team that can be taken advantage of.

I don’t know Simons well enough to have a strong opinion but he seems to check a lot of boxes for what we’d want if we are keeping the core 4 together.

Fortunately for them I think trading Dame is objectively the right move for them to make so they might luck into being forced to do the smart thing

Would love to get Simons if we can keep the big 3 in the process. I’m a lot less inclined to move Jrue/Middleton for him as I don’t think he’s quite ready to replace them yet but he’s definitely a potential breakout guy.

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[Daver]

I'd be hesitant to package Bobby, Grayson and Patty in a 3-for-1, knowing that'd likely destroy our depth. I like Simons, but if the Bucks went the 3-for-1 route, I'd want someone better (bigger, better defender) in return.

I don't think you should worry about 3 guys who disappear in the playoffs.

Patty C is a big balls playoff performer. He's be the one guy I'd hesitate to trade in this deal.

Really patty C is a big balls playoff performer whrn the f... was that sure wasnt this year other than game 2 he sucked dog sh..a d sure wasnt last year against the celts.
He waa garbage this whole season unless i missed the 5 games or so where he actually made a basket.Would much rather keep allen off the bench then patty C

[buckboy]

I don't think you should worry about 3 guys who disappear in the playoffs.

Patty C is a big balls playoff performer. He's be the one guy I'd hesitate to trade in this deal.

Really patty C is a big balls playoff performer whrn the f... was that sure wasnt this year other than game 2 he sucked dog sh..a d sure wasnt last year against the celts.
He waa garbage this whole season unless i missed the 5 games or so where he actually made a basket.Would much rather keep allen off the bench then patty C

In 2021 when they would've had no chance to win the title without him. Also 22 when he was the only guy other than Giannis who showed up for the Boston series.

Edit: Just reread your post. You obviously didn't watch the Boston series last year. He was great.

Further edit: He was pretty damn good this year too.

[paulpressey25]

MKE: Simons
PHX: Portis, Nurkic, Allen, #23
PDX: Ayton, Connaughton

As others have noted, take out #23 or send it to Milwaukee. But I do think we're now at a point where we need to consolidate Grayson, Pat and Bobby for either a PG/Microwave scorer or a defensive PF.

Agree with your thought to use Ayton. Suns can badly use our guys. Hate to give Phoenix 2 or 3 of our good $10mm salary role players, but may need to be done.

[Daver]

Patty C is a big balls playoff performer. He's be the one guy I'd hesitate to trade in this deal.

Really patty C is a big balls playoff performer whrn the f... was that sure wasnt this year other than game 2 he sucked dog sh..a d sure wasnt last year against the celts.
He waa garbage this whole season unless i missed the 5 games or so where he actually made a basket.Would much rather keep allen off the bench then patty C

In 2021 when the would've had no chance to win the title without him. Also 22 when he was the only guy other than Giannis who showed up for the Boston series.

21 i guess though ill say we dont win the title without any of the big 3 im not sure you can say the same thing about pat C dont buy that n last year against the celts ook i thought he shot like sh.. against the celts.
How bout this year a no show like everyone else

[Daver]

Ok i did check his stats from tbe series against miami if those stats are ok in your eyes then me bad

[buckboy]

Really patty C is a big balls playoff performer whrn the f... was that sure wasnt this year other than game 2 he sucked dog sh..a d sure wasnt last year against the celts.
He waa garbage this whole season unless i missed the 5 games or so where he actually made a basket.Would much rather keep allen off the bench then patty C

In 2021 when the would've had no chance to win the title without him. Also 22 when he was the only guy other than Giannis who showed up for the Boston series.

21 i guess though ill say we dont win the title without any of the big 3 im not sure you can say the same thing about pat C dont buy that n last year against the celts ook i thought he shot like sh.. against the celts.
How bout this year a no show like everyone else

He shot great against the Celtics last year and Miami this year.

He was much better overall against Boston though, I'll say that.

His playoff numbers are really good the last 3 post seasons. 48% FG/40% 3P

[buckboy]

Ok i did check his stats from tbe series against miami if those stats are ok in your eyes then me bad

57% from the floor including 48% from 3? Yeah those stats are ok with me.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If Lakers are dumb either to renounce everyone to sign DG, what is Rui's market. He seems better with the eye test then what shows in basketball reference. I could see him as a cheaper Bobby replacement if we throw him in a trade somewhere?

[worthlessBucks]

Also not in Team Simons. I’d rather take a late pick and roll the dice on Jabari Walker/ Keon Johnson than have the right to overpay a little shooting guard. He always seems so small out there when I watch him.

Blazers need to move Lillard. Bucks not in that stratosphere of a discussion there, it’s just the right thing for them to do.

[Milbucks96]

Pat is a 16 game player. Not untouchable by any means and he sucked last year but he had a nagging calf thing and never could stay healthy. I have more faith in him getting back to contender level role player than say Marjon being a contributor next year.

I think he’s our best bench player and the most logical guy to slide into the starting lineup with Allen on the move. If there’s a deal involving him to make us even slightly better, then let’s get it done. But his spot and role isn’t one I consider needing an upgrade.