Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

ShulaDon92 · Post #1562 » by **ShulaDon92** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:15 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:
SerialChiller wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:https://theshadowleague.com/adult-content-creator-says-her-menage-a-trois-with-an-unnamed-miami-heat-player-was-anything-but-a-garden-variety-threesome/

Incas you guys wanted off-season reading material. There is a curveball in there that I was not expecting.

I'm going to guess it was worm Herro

Duncan, Herro, Lowry, and I think Oladipo live in the same condo high rise. The article specifically says mansion. That also eliminates all of the guys that haven’t gotten paid yet like Vincent, Strus, Highsmith, etc. If it’s a current player she’s talking about then my boys Bam or Jimmy are getting pegged (not that there is anything wrong with that, for the woke crowd).

Tmz in the house, apparently

-SHULA

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1563 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:16 pm

miamiballer wrote:I disagree I think dame will have a preference and Portland will trade him there to do him a solid

Yep, think this will be more like the KD situation.

greg4012 · Post #1564 » by **greg4012** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:17 pm

Timantha wrote:

Give me Tingus Pingus!!

The whole article is worth sharing as O’Connor has his finger on the pulse and both the Porzingis and Dame sections feature Miami

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/6/19/23765863/2023-nba-draft-trades-rumors-bradley-beal

MorbidHEAT · Post #1565 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:17 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:We've got a good group, we don't have to force a move but we have to tweak things. Our regular season sucked

Jovic and herro could blossom while bam and Butler can further age.

Bam looks in prime shape

-SHULA

I agree. I don’t necessarily think we have to go for a whale. I think Jimmy can be the best player, but he needs an efficient bucket getter that is equal to or slightly less than him. The offense can’t just go to a crawl the way it does. If Herro stays, he needs to assume the more spot up shooter role.

AirP. · Post #1566 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:19 pm

oreon wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:Beal wanted to be in Phx to play with KD. Its not any more complex than that.

It may be a bit more complicated then that.
Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Shams says different. I guess it depends on who you choose to believe. I'll go with Shams who has a better track record than Barry

Then why did it take 2 days if it was Beal's preference and it's not set in stone, they're still negotiating the players. Why would it take more than a few hours if Phoenix was his destination preference?

ShulaDon92 · Post #1567 » by **ShulaDon92** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:19 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:We've got a good group, we don't have to force a move but we have to tweak things. Our regular season sucked

Jovic and herro could blossom while bam and Butler can further age.

Bam looks in prime shape

-SHULA

I agree. I don’t necessarily think we have to go for a whale. I think Jimmy can be the best player, but he needs an efficient bucket getter that is equal to or slightly less than him. The offense can’t just go to a crawl the way it does. If Herro stays, he needs to assume the more spot up shooter role.

It all begins and ends with shot selection with herro. He can make any shot he wants but he isn't efficient

-SHULA

AirP. · Post #1568 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:20 pm

Shewasfly wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:Beal wanted to be in Phx to play with KD. Its not any more complex than that.

It may be a bit more complicated then that.

Read on Twitter

Beal had all the leverage. If he truly wanted Miami, the Wizards had no choice.
Look at everything else that the Wizards are giving up too. Does that read like a team that simply took the preferred offer?

At the end of the day, everybody can only speculate. But doesn't seem like it was something the FO just whiffed on. And I've been very critical of them as you know.

The point I want to keep making is that if it was his preference then why did it take 2 days for Phoenix to get this done and the only thing really done is that they agreed to make it happe and are still working on the deal. It makes very little sense if it were just up to Beal... because if it was that simple this would have been done Saturday. Why wasn't it done Saturday if it were up to Beal?

MorbidHEAT · Post #1569 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:21 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:
Tmz in the house, apparently

-SHULA

For the record, the only reason I know that is because I think Herro or Oladipo said it on a podcast, can’t remember which one of them it was.

Bishop45 · Post #1570 » by **Bishop45** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:23 pm

Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

AirP. · Post #1571 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:29 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:We've got a good group, we don't have to force a move but we have to tweak things. Our regular season sucked

Jovic and herro could blossom while bam and Butler can further age.

Bam looks in prime shape

-SHULA

I agree. I don’t necessarily think we have to go for a whale. I think Jimmy can be the best player, but he needs an efficient bucket getter that is equal to or slightly less than him. The offense can’t just go to a crawl the way it does. If Herro stays, he needs to assume the more spot up shooter role.

It all begins and ends with shot selection with herro. He can make any shot he wants but he isn't efficient

-SHULA

Right, and a few times throughout the last 2 years they'd mention in the broadcast of a game that Spoelstra just got done having a talk with Herro about his shot selection. I remember one of them coming right after a game against Golden State in the 2021-2022 season, it's the only time I remember them mentioning the team they played that the meeting came afterwards.

Timantha · Post #1572 » by **Timantha** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:29 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

SerialChiller · Post #1573 » by **SerialChiller** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I for one think it's about time we start investing in Bigs. He's everything we need next to Bam. A 7 footer who can shoot the 3 and defend the rim.

AirP. · Post #1574 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Timantha wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

You don't want to a decent amount of trade assets for a rental. Outside that, what type of big would you want next to Bam? A taller player who is a shot blocker and can shoot the 3s. He'd be a fantastic fit next to Bam and be able to defend centers to give Bam a chance to roam some.

greg4012 · Post #1575 » by **greg4012** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:33 pm

Timantha wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

If he had can be had for free that’s excellent. The concern becomes if it starts costing any future assets or expirings that are being held for another move.

In a vacuum, I’d absolutely love to add Porzingis next to Bam

Bishop45 · Post #1576 » by **Bishop45** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:40 pm

AirP. wrote:
Timantha wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

You don't want to a decent amount of trade assets for a rental. Outside that, what type of big would you want next to Bam? A taller player who is a shot blocker and can shoot the 3s. He'd be a fantastic fit next to Bam and be able to defend centers to give Bam a chance to roam some.

Not a lot of teams are winning championships tying that much money in their front court, unless they have some generational talent and depth-- two things that don't grow on trees

Someone who can shoot and/or defend the perimeter is a good fit with Bam. I don't think that front court pairing is our most pressing need. You can pair Bam with Tucker or Crowder and as long as we have superior perimeter talent we'll have a shot. Perimeter talent wins Championships, I'm not consciously investing that much in Kristaps

AirP. · Post #1577 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:48 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Timantha wrote:
I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

You don't want to a decent amount of trade assets for a rental. Outside that, what type of big would you want next to Bam? A taller player who is a shot blocker and can shoot the 3s. He'd be a fantastic fit next to Bam and be able to defend centers to give Bam a chance to roam some.

Not a lot of teams are winning championships tying that much money in their front court, unless they have some generational talent and depth-- two things that don't grow on trees

Someone who can shoot and/or defend the perimeter is a good fit with Bam. I don't think that front court pairing is our most pressing need. You can pair Bam with Tucker or Crowder and as long as we have superior perimeter talent we'll have a shot. Perimeter talent wins Championships, I'm not consciously investing that much in Kristaps

Maybe but look at what Miami had starting in the backcourt in the finals. I think Porzingis would have made a world of difference on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. I actually am ok recycling smallish scorers on near the minimum, I mentioned in another thread about while being a Chicago fan I watched a bunch of minimum scorers come in and do solid to good jobs for Chicago in a small amount of time... Nate Robinson, DJ Augustine, John Lucas III and Aarron Brooks while Miami has had the same type of success doing this in the last 4 years with K.Nunn and now G.Vincent. I think there's a good number of guards out there that would thrive in Miami being given the role of scorer, this to me is the position you can go cheap on year after year. Would it be nice to have a higher level player, sure but somewhere you're going to go have to go cheap at. I think a couple of those smallish scorers in Chicago had some pretty big games against Miami's big 3.

Spoiler:

It's all about putting the best team together and if you can go cheap on some spots... great. I'm not a Beal fan but I do understand Miami's need for one proven vet scorer to be teamed up with Butler and Bam, I think Porzingis could also do that for Miami.

Flash4thewin · Post #1578 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:53 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Timantha wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

I understand the concern, but at least it's an expiring 36m. If it doesn't workout, you just let him walk

If he had can be had for free that’s excellent. The concern becomes if it starts costing any future assets or expirings that are being held for another move.

In a vacuum, I’d absolutely love to add Porzingis next to Bam

But he won't come for free. The only player that could have been had for basically free was Beal and we said it was too rich for our blood, so that should tell you everything you need to know about where we stand and what we will do. Prozingis does not have a no trade clause, dude will go to the highest bidder so that means assets and he is an expiring which makes him even more valuable thanks to the new CBA.

carnageta · Post #1579 » by **carnageta** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:58 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Kristaps is making 36 M's, don't know how to justify that. Don't believe in tying up 70+ M's in bigs

How many 7fters are out there that can score 20+ efficiently?

How many 6fters are out there that can score 20+ efficiently?

If anything, now is the time to tie in in 70m+ to bigs, imo. A guy with KP's skillset is rare. He's basically a Jokic-lite.

ShulaDon92 · Post #1580 » by **ShulaDon92** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:04 pm

AirP. wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:
I agree. I don’t necessarily think we have to go for a whale. I think Jimmy can be the best player, but he needs an efficient bucket getter that is equal to or slightly less than him. The offense can’t just go to a crawl the way it does. If Herro stays, he needs to assume the more spot up shooter role.

It all begins and ends with shot selection with herro. He can make any shot he wants but he isn't efficient

-SHULA

Right, and a few times throughout the last 2 years they'd mention in the broadcast of a game that Spoelstra just got done having a talk with Herro about his shot selection. I remember one of them coming right after a game against Golden State in the 2021-2022 season, it's the only time I remember them mentioning the team they played that the meeting came afterwards.

If I were Herro I'd try to put up at least 6-8 threes a game, minimum. Start with that. That would max his efficiency but hes gotta hit em at a good clip

If not, he and caleb can shore up the bench energy boosts

-SHULA