Can we talk Jordan Hawkins specifically?

[JoshuaPotter]

Too one dimensional.

/end thread

players done developing at 21? he is elite in shooting and I think he has more to his game

Just having fun at this point.

I have gone on record to saying that Hawkins could be the next Lillard type that a bunch of teams kick themselves for passing on.

[Skin]

Too one dimensional.

/end thread

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

[CarraT]

Dick at 6 and Hawkins at 11. Go all-in on shooting!

Finally someone mentions this!

[eyriq]

Too one dimensional.

/end thread

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

[magickingdom]

Bam… Mic Drop!

[tiderulz]

/end thread

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

i feel this is an example when a player is really good, like elite, at a skill and they use that skill, then they get criticized for not doing something they arent as skilled at. Hawkins is a great jump shooter. Because of that, he isnt going to get fouled a lot. His offense also isnt something you have to tailor your offense for, he should have open shots because of the free passing/flowing offense the Magic want and because of the attention Paolo will get and hopefully Franz as he makes his next steps in his development. The steals and assists can be worked on, they arent the cause of a skill he doesnt have and cant develop unlike shooting. and with coaching, he can learn to take a few more fouls for FTA. yes, he is more jump shooter than off the ball creation. but that is what i would assume will come from #6. Or use #36 on Whithead, Sensabaugh (if there) or Podz

[three3d]

Hawkins doesn’t appear to be a ball dominant guard and is fully capable of getting buckets running off screens. I like that fit with this offense and gives us three distinctly different ways to attack ( Paolo, Franz, Hawkins ) also gives Fultz the option of just driving to the rim and jamming it on someone’s head.

[The Effect]

I wouldnt be disappointed one bit in drafting him

But i will say, watching him to me feels alot like a less cocky JJ redick. Hes kinda out there to do one thing, and hes great at that one thing but hes not this guy whos going to take over games or be a go to guy. Im sure he can develop into more, but even if he didnt, he has a role and can be a very useful piece

[three3d]

I wouldnt be disappointed one bit in drafting him

But i will say, watching him to me feels alot like a less cocky JJ redick. Hes kinda out there to do one thing, and hes great at that one thing but hes not this guy whos going to take over games or be a go to guy. Im sure he can develop into more, but even if he didnt, he has a role and can be a very useful piece

A little JJ Redick and a little Ray Allen isn’t a bad thing

[Bensational]

How I rank the shooters in this draft after pick 4:

1. Gradey Dick - 6’7, can shoot off the dribble, off screens, and can get to the rim. Not as great defensively right now.

2. Kobe Bufkin - most “two way” guy out of the shooters. Good on catch and shoot and mid range. Off the dribble from 3 not so much. Probably the most energetic too. He’s a 3-level scorer.

3a. Brice Sensabaugh - Best shooter off the dribble and from catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. Gradey was close to him statistically, but Sensabaugh had crazy volume. Extremely questionable in every other facet of the game.

3b. Jordan Hawkins - Good off screens and catch and shoot. Not as great off the dribble. Is a better defender than Gradey but not as much.

3c. Keyonte George - Undersized guard that creates offense. Creates too many turnovers to be a true combo guard. Closer to Eric Gordon than McCollum.

4a. Dariq Whitehead - the most overlooked shooter in this draft. Two-way guy. Could become the best guy depending on where he lands. Dropped because of injuries

4b. Jett Howard - also getting overlooked. Huge wing. Not great defensively one dimensional.


Hawkins is in a draft where there are more options at SG. He’s not great shooting off the ball or at the rim. He’s a higher volume skinny Gary Harris basically.

You forgot Podzilla.

Hawkins is basically TRoss/JJ in how much he moves off ball to get open. He’s good, he’ll carry gravity, but is he an upgrade over Harris? In the right system I could see Hawkins having a bigger impact than many of these guys. Hawks would love him.

Whitehead doesn’t look like a 2-way player to me. From what I saw of some of his defensive highlights he looks lost. He tries, but genuinely runs the wrong directions and is slow to change direction. But that shooting is pure and hey looking like he’ll slide so he’ll end up looking like a steal in the late 1st.

Sensabaugh is a scorer who you can give the ball to, but how will he go if he has to do much more off-ball work? Is he that good of a scorer that he could be a #2 or #3 option?

[VFX]

How I rank the shooters in this draft after pick 4:

1. Gradey Dick - 6’7, can shoot off the dribble, off screens, and can get to the rim. Not as great defensively right now.

2. Kobe Bufkin - most “two way” guy out of the shooters. Good on catch and shoot and mid range. Off the dribble from 3 not so much. Probably the most energetic too. He’s a 3-level scorer.

3a. Brice Sensabaugh - Best shooter off the dribble and from catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. Gradey was close to him statistically, but Sensabaugh had crazy volume. Extremely questionable in every other facet of the game.

3b. Jordan Hawkins - Good off screens and catch and shoot. Not as great off the dribble. Is a better defender than Gradey but not as much.

3c. Keyonte George - Undersized guard that creates offense. Creates too many turnovers to be a true combo guard. Closer to Eric Gordon than McCollum.

4a. Dariq Whitehead - the most overlooked shooter in this draft. Two-way guy. Could become the best guy depending on where he lands. Dropped because of injuries

4b. Jett Howard - also getting overlooked. Huge wing. Not great defensively one dimensional.


Hawkins is in a draft where there are more options at SG. He’s not great shooting off the ball or at the rim. He’s a higher volume skinny Gary Harris basically.

You forgot Podzilla.

Hawkins is basically TRoss/JJ in how much he moves off ball to get open. He’s good, he’ll carry gravity, but is he an upgrade over Harris? In the right system I could see Hawkins having a bigger impact than many of these guys. Hawks would love him.

Whitehead doesn’t look like a 2-way player to me. From what I saw of some of his defensive highlights he looks lost. He tries, but genuinely runs the wrong directions and is slow to change direction. But that shooting is pure and hey looking like he’ll slide so he’ll end up looking like a steal in the late 1st.

Sensabaugh is a scorer who you can give the ball to, but how will he go if he has to do much more off-ball work? Is he that good of a scorer that he could be a #2 or #3 option?

I like Podz a lot. I’d love to land him somehow in a side trade up. I just don’t trust this FO to do something like that.

Whitehead is a complete mystery to me even after watching every game he played in college. At times he looked bad and robotic partially due to his injury and at others he looked like an amazing athlete with 3-D capabilities. I have no idea what to believe.

Sensabaugh has to be a guy off the bench. He’s nowhere near where he should be defensively to warrant anything otherwise. He’s Cam Thomas 2.0. Even If he figures it out though he’s still a black-hole bucket getter.

Hawkins is like a Kyle Korver, Rip Hamilton, late Ray Allen kind of shooting guard. Runs around off screens and fires away. Yeah, it’s a good option on offense. Id just rather have a guy that can make plays on the ball AND off the ball if I’m using a #11 pick on him. The defense and intangibles are secondary things that I think separate a guy like Bufkin from Hawkins.

[eyriq]

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

i feel this is an example when a player is really good, like elite, at a skill and they use that skill, then they get criticized for not doing something they arent as skilled at. Hawkins is a great jump shooter. Because of that, he isnt going to get fouled a lot. His offense also isnt something you have to tailor your offense for, he should have open shots because of the free passing/flowing offense the Magic want and because of the attention Paolo will get and hopefully Franz as he makes his next steps in his development. The steals and assists can be worked on, they arent the cause of a skill he doesnt have and cant develop unlike shooting. and with coaching, he can learn to take a few more fouls for FTA. yes, he is more jump shooter than off the ball creation. but that is what i would assume will come from #6. Or use #36 on Whithead, Sensabaugh (if there) or Podz

I agree that his skills might fit in with Orlando's offense. A great jump shooter can open up opportunities on the floor. I'm not saying he's a bad player, what I'm emphasizing is that this draft is teeming with multidimensional talents who offer a more well-rounded game than Hawkins. Right now Hawkins doesn't exhibit the same versatility.

[Bensational]

I like Podz a lot. I’d love to land him somehow in a side trade up. I just don’t trust this FO to do something like that.

Whitehead is a complete mystery to me even after watching every game he played in college. At times he looked bad and robotic partially due to his injury and at others he looked like an amazing athlete with 3-D capabilities. I have no idea what to believe.

Sensabaugh has to be a guy off the bench. He’s nowhere near where he should be defensively to warrant anything otherwise. He’s Cam Thomas 2.0. Even If he figures it out though he’s still a black-hole bucket getter.

Hawkins is like a Kyle Korver, Rip Hamilton, late Ray Allen kind of shooting guard. Runs around off screens and fires away. Yeah, it’s a good option on offense. Id just rather have a guy that can make plays on the ball AND off the ball if I’m using a #11 pick on him. The defense and intangibles are secondary things that I think separate a guy like Bufkin from Hawkins.

Cam Thomas is an interesting reference for Sensabaugh. Yeah, very much what he could become - a black hole scorer.

I was pretty adamant about looking for more versatility in our player with the #11 pick, but ideally we’re drafting our on-ball scorer at #6 so we can afford to spend #11 on an elite role player. I’ll still be happy with Hawkins or Gradey at #11, I just hope the team game plans to incorporate them.

Apart from Black, I’d prefer guys mostly project to go around 11 anyway. Give me Wallace, JHS, Bufkin over Ausar, Walker or Hendricks. I’d probably be more interested in seeing Gradey and Hawkins over Walker and Ausar. Hendricks probably joins that tier for me.

[The Effect]

I wouldnt be disappointed one bit in drafting him

But i will say, watching him to me feels alot like a less cocky JJ redick. Hes kinda out there to do one thing, and hes great at that one thing but hes not this guy whos going to take over games or be a go to guy. Im sure he can develop into more, but even if he didnt, he has a role and can be a very useful piece

A little JJ Redick and a little Ray Allen isn’t a bad thing

not at all

although thats not Ray Allen when he got to the NBA, when he was drafted he was a do-it-all, all-nba level scorer.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

i feel this is an example when a player is really good, like elite, at a skill and they use that skill, then they get criticized for not doing something they arent as skilled at. Hawkins is a great jump shooter. Because of that, he isnt going to get fouled a lot. His offense also isnt something you have to tailor your offense for, he should have open shots because of the free passing/flowing offense the Magic want and because of the attention Paolo will get and hopefully Franz as he makes his next steps in his development. The steals and assists can be worked on, they arent the cause of a skill he doesnt have and cant develop unlike shooting. and with coaching, he can learn to take a few more fouls for FTA. yes, he is more jump shooter than off the ball creation. but that is what i would assume will come from #6. Or use #36 on Whithead, Sensabaugh (if there) or Podz

Nailed it, like oh damn he’s an elite shooter how dare he not have a great assist rate and steals.

Magic need shooting this dude is one of the best shooters and not just a standstill shooter. Dude can come off screens curls any action and nail a shot.

This is the player people should be wanting if they want Fultz as the starting PG not Dick who I think is more a standstill shooter.

[Skin]

/end thread

I'll bite. This is a flat out lie or uneducated opinion.

Hawkins is a top 3 shooter in the draft. Arguably the #1. That is the one dimension that we are probably in alignment with.

Let's take a closer look at that though. We are not talking about a limited off ball catch and shoot type one dimensional player. Hawkins has a confident handle, is a good midrange shooter, and he is awesome in transition with his quickness. He can attack close outs with drives or cuts to the rim. He is also a pesty perimeter defender, 1-3. While he is more susceptible to getting blown by on attacks to the rim, he does have lockdown ability on the perimeter. 18 blocks for a guard last season in his role, is a high number. Getting stronger is an area where he will need to grow into. He's not a big body defender like Whitmore who is a better defender out of the box.

But the one area on offense that is an overlooked benefit because it's not really labeled as a skill, is his ability to draw double teams on his lethal 3 point shot. The ability to draw doubles on the perimeter is HUGE. It's much more common to draw doubles inside the arc from your big man, but THIS IS EXACTLY what the Magic with Paolo, Franz, Markelle all NEED. Hawkins will create space inside the arc for our guys who love to operate inside of it.

"Too one dimensional" is just a faulty opinion.

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

Being "well rounded" isn't a thing that is coveted. We already have guys that are well rounded. They ride our bench. This team needs shooting. It's our 1st, 2nd and 3rd priorities of importance. In our position, I would never sacrifice shooting for someone who is more well rounded at passing and stealing. Don't cloud your judgement by focusing on lesser things. Hawkins is available at 11 for a reason, no doubt. But he's not 1 dimensional. It's silly to say that he is only useful if you have to tailor your offense around him to get anything from him. Hawkins has 2 years playing in the NBA style motion offense that UConn uses. If anything, he's proven that he can carry a team if need be. As a championship caliber leading scorer he will likely transition easily in the NBA.

[OrlChamps2030]

Among sophomores Hawkins is in the 72nd percentile in usage rate. So he was used more on offense then 72% of other college sophomores last season.

The good, he is in the 95th percentile in points, 82nd percentile in 3P%, 78th percentile in FT%. Overall as a shooter he is in the 78th percentile in TS% and 66th in eFG%. Overall a great scorer and a good shooter. No surprises there.

The border line, he's in the 57th percentile in FTr, 42nd percentile in assists, and the 43rd percentile in steals.

The ugly, he's in the 28th percentile in STL% and AST%.

Those last percentiles are key. For his usage on offense he is pretty much just a shooter. He doesn't get to the line much, doesn't bring much on defense, and isn't a play maker. He's pretty much a scorer that you have to tailor your offense around to get any value out of. I highly doubt we are going to run sets featuring his off ball movement like Detroit did for Hamilton.

And the most damning thing for him vs other prospects is that they are literally all more well rounded. Specialists like Hawkins are just really rare in this draft class, so you don't need to settle for one.

i feel this is an example when a player is really good, like elite, at a skill and they use that skill, then they get criticized for not doing something they arent as skilled at. Hawkins is a great jump shooter. Because of that, he isnt going to get fouled a lot. His offense also isnt something you have to tailor your offense for, he should have open shots because of the free passing/flowing offense the Magic want and because of the attention Paolo will get and hopefully Franz as he makes his next steps in his development. The steals and assists can be worked on, they arent the cause of a skill he doesnt have and cant develop unlike shooting. and with coaching, he can learn to take a few more fouls for FTA. yes, he is more jump shooter than off the ball creation. but that is what i would assume will come from #6. Or use #36 on Whithead, Sensabaugh (if there) or Podz

Nailed it, like oh damn he’s an elite shooter how dare he not have a great assist rate and steals.

Magic need shooting this dude is one of the best shooters and not just a standstill shooter. Dude can come off screens curls any action and nail a shot.

This is the player people should be wanting if they want Fultz as the starting PG not Dick who I think is more a standstill shooter.

If we’re going to talk about Hawkins I think there should be some discussion around Hawkins vs Dick.. Hawkins’ movement shooting is on another level it’s some of the best I can remember in years.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I don’t think he’s better than Gradey Dick. I don’t think he has the long term upside, he doesn’t have a bag like Gradey does. I think he goes early 20’s.

[jonbob17]

Hawkins is a really good shooter.
He's 6'4. Negative turnover ratio. 1.3 assists in 29 minutes a game. 42% on twos.

I don't know, Hawkins seems like a worse, but younger version of Hield, which isnt a terrible outcome. Hield had more creation, but was also more experienced.

I prefer Gradey, he's bigger, think he just a little better all around. A year and half younger too. Don't hate the idea of Hawkins I do believe he will shoot and shoot on volume.
I do think there will be better BPAs at pick 11, but hey we do need shooters. Could be our Isaiah Joe, still a little sore we didnt take him in the 2nd round a couple years ago. Kind of reminds me of that same draft year when Magic fans were crazy for Nesmith. I kind of like Seth Lundy as 2nd round alternative

Not sure Hawkins is in the same class as some of the guys he gets compared to like Reddick or Klay or shooters of that caliber.

[tiderulz]

I wouldnt be disappointed one bit in drafting him

But i will say, watching him to me feels alot like a less cocky JJ redick. Hes kinda out there to do one thing, and hes great at that one thing but hes not this guy whos going to take over games or be a go to guy. Im sure he can develop into more, but even if he didnt, he has a role and can be a very useful piece

A little JJ Redick and a little Ray Allen isn’t a bad thing

was about to say, reminds me of Ray Allen too.