2023 NBA Draft – Thurs, 8PM, June 22

Hal14 · Post #1301 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:33 am

Solid big man option for an UDFA.

If we grab a wing at pick 35, I'm down for grabbing Castleton as an UDFA.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eoATfXjWu5c

gdagod10 · Post #1302 » by **gdagod10** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:00 am

Due to the impending CBA I think most contenders will certainly be drafting older, ready to contribute players. You can't offload a guy like Brogdon or Grant and then draft an 18 year old rookie in the 2nd round.

I think Celtics go a bit older here and look for guys like

Sasser
Jaquez
Jackson-Davis

will be interesting.

Hal14 · Post #1303 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:11 am

gdagod10 wrote:Due to the impending CBA I think most contenders will certainly be drafting older, ready to contribute players. You can't offload a guy like Brogdon or Grant and then draft an 18 year old rookie in the 2nd round.

I think Celtics go a bit older here and look for guys like

Sasser
Jaquez
Jackson-Davis

will be interesting.

I'm not sure I agree with that. If you offload Brogdon and/or Grant, ideally you are replacing them with proven vets of similar ability.

Rookies very rarely contribute to title contending teams - especially if they're drafted with the 35h pick (or later).

It still could be a good strategy to draft a younger guy (age 18-20), who has higher upside, let him develop in the g league (or overseas) and hope that in a a year or 2 he could end up being better than the older prospect with lower upside.

We're not offloading Brogdon or Grant so that we can throw some 35th pick rookie into the fire and expect him to contribute right away to a title contender - at least I hope not.

Any team that is content throwing a rookie into the rotation, is probably not a title contender. So it's no big deal if the rookie is not quite ready right away - they're not contenders anyways so it doesn't matter - they can afford to take the younger, higher upside guy, be patient and wait for him to develop.

So idk if the CBA changes this with the draft. Other than you have to really do your homework and put even more emphasis on really trying to nail whatever draft picks you do have.

Post #1304 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:45 am

Hal14 wrote:
gdagod10 wrote:Due to the impending CBA I think most contenders will certainly be drafting older, ready to contribute players. You can't offload a guy like Brogdon or Grant and then draft an 18 year old rookie in the 2nd round.

I think Celtics go a bit older here and look for guys like

Sasser
Jaquez
Jackson-Davis

will be interesting.

I'm not sure I agree with that. You could offload Brogdon and get someone like Porzingis. You could offload Grant and get someone like Kyle Anderson.

No matter which way you slice it, rookies very rarely contribute to title contending teams - especially if they're drafted with the 35h pick (or later).

It still could be a good strategy to draft a younger guy (age 18-20), who has higher upside, let him develop in the g league (or overseas) and hope that in a a year or 2 he could end up being better than the older prospect with lower upside.

I agree with you on the draft part, but you better be offloading some picks in your trades.

Love KA and have advocated for a few years now for getting him, but Grant doesn't do it. MIN doesn't care about the punch (according to their fans on the trade board) and value everything we do about him.

Don't love KP and have advocated for years that he sucks... but, he was great on-court last year.

flintsky21 · Post #1305 » by **flintsky21** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:51 am

Watch on YouTube

Somebody mentioned how the Phil Pressey hire and the Mizzou connection could make Kobe Brown a consideration for #35. What do we think about him? I like his size, passing instincts, and shooting potential.

Celts17Pride · Post #1306 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:53 am

flintsky21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Somebody mentioned how the Phil Pressey hire and the Mizzou connection could make Kobe Brown a consideration for #35. What do we think about him? I like his size, passing instincts, and shooting potential.

I like Kobe Brown. He would be a good option. He passes the ball. He would be lost on the Celtics.

Hal14 · Post #1307 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:55 am

djFan71 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
gdagod10 wrote:Due to the impending CBA I think most contenders will certainly be drafting older, ready to contribute players. You can't offload a guy like Brogdon or Grant and then draft an 18 year old rookie in the 2nd round.

I think Celtics go a bit older here and look for guys like

Sasser
Jaquez
Jackson-Davis

will be interesting.

I'm not sure I agree with that. You could offload Brogdon and get someone like Porzingis. You could offload Grant and get someone like Kyle Anderson.

No matter which way you slice it, rookies very rarely contribute to title contending teams - especially if they're drafted with the 35h pick (or later).

It still could be a good strategy to draft a younger guy (age 18-20), who has higher upside, let him develop in the g league (or overseas) and hope that in a a year or 2 he could end up being better than the older prospect with lower upside.

I agree with you on the draft part, but you better be offloading some picks in your trades.

Love KA and have advocated for a few years now for getting him, but Grant doesn't do it. MIN doesn't care about the punch (according to their fans on the trade board) and value everything we do about him.

Don't love KP and have advocated for years that he sucks... but, he was great on-court last year.

I was speaking in very general terms about the trades. Just edited my post..

Hal14 · Post #1308 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:03 am

flintsky21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Somebody mentioned how the Phil Pressey hire and the Mizzou connection could make Kobe Brown a consideration for #35. What do we think about him? I like his size, passing instincts, and shooting potential.

I like him. At the moment he's actually ranked 35 on my personal big board.

There's a lot to like, as you can see in the video. Really the only downside is:

-Age (23 so lower upside and have to just factor in when watching his college film that he's older than most of the guys he was going against)
-He's 6'7.5" and 252 lbs. You just don't see many guys in the league (I think Zion and David Roddy might be the only ones) who are 252+ lbs and under 6'8". So you have to wonder if he can stay in shape, if he might have problems keeping up with the faster pace game and covering more space in the NBA, if he can slide is feet laterally to stay in front of quicker guys on a big, open floor.

On the plus side, can handle the ball pretty well, has a strong/rugged/sturdy frame and can shoot it pretty well. And does show some good flashes on defense and is a very good passer. So again, there's some things to like.

Somewhere around the 35th pick is where I think he should go. I think there will probably be a guy who slides to 35 who I will like better for us, but wouldn't hate it at all if we took him.

Half-Full · Post #1309 » by **Half-Full** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:17 am

Hal14 wrote:Solid big man option for an UDFA.

Watch on YouTube

If we grab a wing at pick 35, I'm down for grabbing Castleton as an UDFA.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eoATfXjWu5c

I would like to land him as an UDFA. Good playmaker, and decent rim protector.

Half-Full · Post #1310 » by **Half-Full** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:21 am

Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Somebody mentioned how the Phil Pressey hire and the Mizzou connection could make Kobe Brown a consideration for #35. What do we think about him? I like his size, passing instincts, and shooting potential.

I like him. At the moment he's actually ranked 35 on my personal big board.

There's a lot to like, as you can see in the video. Really the only downside is:

-Age (23 so lower upside and have to just factor in when watching his college film that he's older than most of the guys he was going against)
-He's 6'7.5" and 252 lbs. You just don't see many guys in the league (I think Zion and David Roddy might be the only ones) who are 252+ lbs and under 6'8". So you have to wonder if he can stay in shape, if he might have problems keeping up with the faster pace game and covering more space in the NBA, if he can slide is feet laterally to stay in front of quicker guys on a big, open floor.

On the plus side, can handle the ball pretty well, has a strong/rugged/sturdy frame and can shoot it pretty well. And does show some good flashes on defense and is a very good passer. So again, there's some things to like.

Somewhere around the 35th pick is where I think he should go. I think there will probably be a guy who slides to 35 who I will like better for us, but wouldn't hate it at all if we took him.

Kobe Brown is one of several intriguing players that should be available at #35. I would not be displeased if he is our selection.

Kalela · Post #1311 » by **Kalela** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:05 pm

Kobe Brown would make sense only if Grant is moved.

Hal14 · Post #1312 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:09 pm

It's almost like Yao Ming all over again hahah

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Larry_Russell · Post #1313 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:13 pm

Kalela wrote:Kobe Brown would make sense only if Grant is moved.

I dont see Kobe as a power forward. More a swing player. I think he and Grant could be on the court together and Kobe would play the most of his minutes behind Tatum. (unless he completely surprises everyone and becomes a starter)

He is a pretty unique guy.

ddb · Post #1314 » by **ddb** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:35 pm

draft Emoni Bates #35 and let him develop & hit the weight room in the G-League for a season. Can't teach 6'10 scoring on the wing. He has it. Just needs to mature, get stronger, and learn how to play the pro game. All teachable areas. I think the upside is still there with him.

Hal14 · Post #1315 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:04 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
Kalela wrote:Kobe Brown would make sense only if Grant is moved.

I dont see Kobe as a power forward. More a swing player. I think he and Grant could be on the court together and Kobe would play the most of his minutes behind Tatum. (unless he completely surprises everyone and becomes a starter)

He is a pretty unique guy.

I mean, Brown is 252 lbs. You look at how he tested at the combine in speed/agility drills and he tested more like a big than a wing.

I think he's a 4, who could maybe play some small ball 5, and if he can slim down a little bit, then could maybe play some at the 3.

With that being said, I don't necessarily agree that the only way it makes sense to take Kobe Brown is if we move Grant. You can have more than 1 guy on the same team who play a similar position. Especially since Grant only plays like half the game and Kobe will barely get any minutes at all (at least initially)..

Larry_Russell · Post #1316 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:13 pm

ddb wrote:draft Emoni Bates #35 and let him develop & hit the weight room in the G-League for a season. Can't teach 6'10 scoring on the wing. He has it. Just needs to mature, get stronger, and learn how to play the pro game. All teachable areas. I think the upside is still there with him.

Better than Hauser as a backup to Tatum

Kid can just flat out score.

ThePigeon · Post #1317 » by **ThePigeon** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:15 pm

Hal14 wrote:Solid big man option for an UDFA.

Watch on YouTube

If we grab a wing at pick 35, I'm down for grabbing Castleton as an UDFA.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eoATfXjWu5c

Reminds me of Moritz Wagner

aim2please · Post #1318 » by **aim2please** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:15 pm

flintsky21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Somebody mentioned how the Phil Pressey hire and the Mizzou connection could make Kobe Brown a consideration for #35. What do we think about him? I like his size, passing instincts, and shooting potential.

Brown with vision, playmaking instinct and positive assist to turnover ratio, Can he dribble with his left?

Hal14 · Post #1319 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:40 pm

lol literally what we were just discussing on here yesterday,.

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Bill Lumbergh · Post #1320 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:34 pm

ThePigeon wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Solid big man option for an UDFA.

Watch on YouTube

If we grab a wing at pick 35, I'm down for grabbing Castleton as an UDFA.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eoATfXjWu5c

Reminds me of Moritz Wagner

I like Tubelis a lot more than Castleton, though I regard Tubelis as more of a 4 and Castleton strictly a 5. Tubelis is way more athletic and dynamic. One of the best rim running bigs in the entire draft. I think he's a little undervalued.