2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[RookieStar]

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Because there were 3 straight games i streamed where i checked CAM had a grand total of 1 rebound, he is in my top 3 of do not pick in the lotto. Seriously, he was the PF for their team but all he was interested was scoring by tryting to bully his way.

The other 2 is Walker and the flavor of the week Colibay something.

[jonbob17]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but fascinating statistical comparison of two freshman guards with a defensive pedigree:

Player 1:

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp

Player 2:

12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg

Player 1 is Jrue Holiday. Player 2 Anthony Black.

If Anthony Black is Holiday, I’m on board.

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp
12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg
11.7ppg 51.4% 2pt, 34.6% 3pt on 4 attempts per game, 75.7% FT% 4.3 assts

Player3 is Cason Wallace... they are all pretty similar statistically, Cason 6'2.5" Jrue 6'3", Black 6'6"
Cason also has under utilized Kentucky guard going for him.

[fendilim]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but fascinating statistical comparison of two freshman guards with a defensive pedigree:

Player 1:

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp

Player 2:

12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg

Player 1 is Jrue Holiday. Player 2 Anthony Black.

If Anthony Black is Holiday, I’m on board.

8 ppg, 52% 2pt, 30.7% 3pt on 2.5 attempts per game,72.6 ft%, 3.7 agp
12.8 ppg, 51.3% 2pt, 30.1% 3pt on 2.6 attempts per game, 70.5 ft%, 3.9 apg
11.7ppg 51.4% 2pt, 34.6% 3pt on 4 attempts per game, 75.7% FT% 4.3 assts

Player3 is Cason Wallace... they are all pretty similar statistically, Cason 6'2.5" Jrue 6'3", Black 6'6"
Cason also has under utilized Kentucky guard going for him.

why pick cason when we already have suggs?

[CZ Eddie]

So, if we don't trade up then does the board think we're looking for a starter or backup at our current draft slots?

I'd have to assume we're looking for backup.
So, which positions are most suspect with our current roster?

PG and SG have great depth, though no great shooters. But Cole is a decent shooter and Markelle could eventually become a decent, reliable shooter again.

SF backup is Caleb Houstan and potentially Isaac, as well as Paolo at times.
Not so sure about Caleb or Isaac.

PF backup is Chuma/Isaac(?)/Wagner

Center is ?!?!

What position do you guys think our biggest depth issues are at?

[Bensational]

I’ve settled on my guys.

6 - Black
11 - Wallace
36 - Whitehead (if he slides)

WCJ/Goga/MoW
Paolo/(Isaac)/Bol
Franz/Chuma/Houstan/Whitehead
Suggs/Black
Fultz/Wallace

Look to trade Cole + Harris + Chuma for a backup forward.

[ucfmay2000]

Taylor’s game is similar to Pascal Siakam. Both are at 6’9 entering the draft. Pascal was better with ballhandling and attacking the basket. Taylor is much better with shooting. Both are good with shot blocking and defense. Keep in mind that, Pascal was sophomore when he was drafted. Taylor is just Freshman.
Both Jeff Weltman and John Hammond drafted Pascal for Toronto in 2016 NBA draft. Will they do it again to draft Taylor Hendricks this year? It might happen.

[fendilim]

Taylor’s game is similar to Pascal Siakam. Both are at 6’9 entering the draft. Pascal was better with ballhandling and attacking the basket. Taylor is much better with shooting. Both are good with shot blocking and defense. Keep in mind that, Pascal was sophomore when he was drafted. Taylor is just Freshman.
Both Jeff Weltman and John Hammond drafted Pascal for Toronto in 2016 NBA draft. Will they do it again to draft Taylor Hendricks this year? It might happen.

I think hammond was in milkwaukee back in 2016.

The only pick the weham tandem did that panned out is giannis, not pascal.

How bout your description but changed taylor to bilal. And pascal to giannis.

Bilal’s game is similar to giannis. Both are at 6’9 entering the draft. Giannis was better with ballhandling and attacking the basket. Bilal is much better with shooting. Both are good with shot blocking and defense.
Both Jeff Weltman and John Hammond drafted giannis for milwaukee in blahblah NBA draft. Will they do it again to draft bilal this year? It might happen.

[jibba jones]

Bufkin at 6
Lively at 11

[dsg2021]

I don't see Bufkin getting the runway to drive like he did in college, as well as the lack of interior defense that I've been seeing in highlights and my extremely lazy scouting. I just don't see anything stand-out good enough. Like an excellence in PnR or being a nightmare All-Defense defender. Some issues similar to Keyonte basically.

I cooled on Cam a lot since I'm learning from you guys about his lack of rebounding and ability to play as a 2/3. But I still like his base skills and strengths at least.

Scoot, I've seen real athleticism with even in the half court and everything. I see an 'it' factor as well. I'm hella intrigued at the thought of an amped up, momentum machine Jalen Suggs next to the same thing in Scoot Henderson.

I look at the twins' athleticism and it's too downhill and too finesse in a league that shouldn't even need finesse. What happens when the twins are dogged on defense starting at the FT line and under.

My big board is now something like;

1) Wembanyama
2) Miller
3) Scoot
4) Hendricks
5) Hood-Schifino
6) Dick
7) Hawkins
8) Whitmore
9) Walker

I could go for Hawkins over Dick if I knew Hawkins didn't have to wait 5 years like JJ did to get more minutes and off-ball actions to draw gravity and bring elite 3 pt shooting. I think Hendricks is my guy at 6, despite the roster clutter. And then 11 is JHS for me. I would be happy to get one or even both of Dick and Hawkins at 6 and 11 too.

[pepe1991]

I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

[fendilim]

I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

They did get swept. But individually, he was better than when the season started.

He could still end up as a bust, but if he can develop to be a solid rotational player, I think that isn’t bad enough for the 11th pick. There is really a little option left at 11 that offers the same potential, imo.

[RookieStar]

I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

Since i don't like him and never got swept up in the flavor of the week craze, how did he do?

[pepe1991]

I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

Since i don't like him and never got swept up in the flavor of the week craze, how did he do?

9 ppg
3 rpg
1,3 apg

3 games total
9-17 FG (52%)
1-5 for 3 (20%)
1 steal , 0 blocks total
6 turnovers total



For reference sake Victor averaged 16,3 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg, 3 bpg

[SOUL]

I mean, that's what makes scouting such an inexact science. Giannis was averaging 9/5/1 on a 2nd level Greek team before being drafted on 46/31. While he's the exception and not the rule, there are things to like about Coulibaly, even if he ends up as.. Batum? Or something along those lines? You'd take that outcome in late lottery.

But there's also a lot of other guys who may hit with higher probability - still, identifying them isn't clear cut.

[Petre1978]

I don't see Bufkin getting the runway to drive like he did in college, as well as the lack of interior defense that I've been seeing in highlights and my extremely lazy scouting. I just don't see anything stand-out good enough. Like an excellence in PnR or being a nightmare All-Defense defender. Some issues similar to Keyonte basically.

I cooled on Cam a lot since I'm learning from you guys about his lack of rebounding and ability to play as a 2/3. But I still like his base skills and strengths at least.

Scoot, I've seen real athleticism with even in the half court and everything. I see an 'it' factor as well. I'm hella intrigued at the thought of an amped up, momentum machine Jalen Suggs next to the same thing in Scoot Henderson.

I look at the twins' athleticism and it's too downhill and too finesse in a league that shouldn't even need finesse. What happens when the twins are dogged on defense starting at the FT line and under.

My big board is now something like;

1) Wembanyama
2) Miller
3) Scoot
4) Hendricks
5) Hood-Schifino
6) Dick
7) Hawkins
8) Whitmore
9) Walker

I could go for Hawkins over Dick if I knew Hawkins didn't have to wait 5 years like JJ did to get more minutes and off-ball actions to draw gravity and bring elite 3 pt shooting. I think Hendricks is my guy at 6, despite the roster clutter. And then 11 is JHS for me. I would be happy to get one or even both of Dick and Hawkins at 6 and 11 too.

JHS is very intriguing.

[Howard Mass]

Lots of good options at #6 and #11.

If The Magic use both picks, the only thing I'm sure of is they won't play the same position.

The Magic are also nt going to want to have a Mo Bamba situation where the player will not be able to get minutes.

[pepe1991]

I mean, that's what makes scouting such an inexact science. Giannis was averaging 9/5/1 on a 2nd level Greek team before being drafted on 46/31. While he's the exception and not the rule, there are things to like about Coulibaly, even if he ends up as.. Batum? Or something along those lines? You'd take that outcome in late lottery.

But there's also a lot of other guys who may hit with higher probability - still, identifying them isn't clear cut.

Few things happend for Giannis that didn't happen for anybody else, including his brother.

He was 6th months younger than Bilal is. But i don't think that's all that important.


What happend to Giannis is fact that he grew up from some 6'8- 215 to 6'11 /220 in matter of a year.

Yes, 19 years old can grow. For 99,999% of population that growth is going from some random 179 cm to 180 , 181 at most.

And even if you track down Giannis brothers, nobody experienced such things.
Thanasis is 6'7.
Kostas is tall but his combine measurments weren't anything special ( nor his basketball talent is)
Alex is 6'7 ( age 21).
Francis is 6'5 ( not even playing basketball)

so even in his family, nobody else grew that tall, nor had that crazy burst but Giannis, maybe aside of Kostas (6'10), but his agility and mobility are nowhere near Giannis.

One thing about Bilal that strikes me when i watch him, to me he looks like very mediocre athlete. Latheral speed, agility, acceleration, deceleration, vertical... nothing really looks anything special. French league is very athletic, he looks to be average athlete. Maybe he just has no strenght due age , but nothing to me pops out.

[Petre1978]

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[eyriq]

I find it funny how NOBODY wants to report how Culibaly did against Euroleague team of Monaco in French finals. Where they got swept.

It'll be interesting if he goes in the lottery. Easy pick as a high probability bust option. Hopefully Spurs trade Vassell for him and Cole.

[SOUL]

I'm considering going dark the entire draft.. doing something else.. come back.. see what chaos has ensued..