Can we talk Jordan Hawkins specifically?

[Viper1500]

Dick has the higher ceiling in my opinion. I’m taking Dick over Hawkins at 11.


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[Skin]

I don’t think he’s better than Gradey Dick. I don’t think he has the long term upside, he doesn’t have a bag like Gradey does. I think he goes early 20’s.

What do you think about Grady disappearing in games?

[drsd]

I don’t think he’s better than Gradey Dick. I don’t think he has the long term upside, he doesn’t have a bag like Gradey does. I think he goes early 20’s.

What do you think about Grady disappearing in games?

Dick is more like "the next Luke Kennard" than anything else. But this roster desperately needs exactly that kind of player.


Hawkins screams "the next Nate McMillan" to me. Also a good fit to this team.

[eyriq]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

[MasterGMer]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

Cry out loud, we are talking about the #11th pick in the draft. Not 3 or 4 or 5.

If he can come in and become a rotational player, that is all I am hoped for. We are not looking for a star and we are not looking for a so called multidimensional player at 11th

[eyriq]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

Cry out loud, we are talking about the #11th pick in the draft. Not 3 or 4 or 5.

If he can come in and become a rotational player, that is all I am hoped for. We are not looking for a star and we are not looking for a so called multidimensional player at 11th

We'll see.

[tiderulz]

I don’t think he’s better than Gradey Dick. I don’t think he has the long term upside, he doesn’t have a bag like Gradey does. I think he goes early 20’s.

What do you think about Grady disappearing in games?

Dick is more like "the next Luke Kennard" than anything else. But this roster desperately needs exactly that kind of player.


Hawkins screams "the next Nate McMillan" to me. Also a good fit to this team.

never saw Nate as the type of shooter Hawkins is.

[Skybox]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

[fateis007]

pass, insert dick

Gradey is the one.

[jonbob17]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time(43.5% career), and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time, and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

best part of this is we can sign one of those players and draft one whose contract will be rookie scale. If they don't pan out then they'll get waived like RJ and Chuma.

It's why I'm somewhat cautiously optimistic for this upcoming year. We're in a place where we have 2 lotto picks so the FO can't ignore shooting and we've got some cash to splash to get shooting. If this FO doesn't do that then they never will and can f right off.

[Skybox]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time, and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

Dick might be a somewhat weak link in the defense...Seth Curry has a giant target painted on him.

I love DDV, he's an all-around heady gamer, but his shooting is good not elite. GTJ is a better comp, but he will likely get close to (or more than) $20m/year.

I'd be happy with any of them, if it opened a door elsewhere (for PG, rim protection, etc) but, if it's just drafting...Dick and Hawkins are THE shooters, IMO.

[jonbob17]

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time, and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

Dick might be a somewhat weak link in the defense...Seth Curry has a giant target painted on him.

I love DDV, he's an all-around heady gamer, but his shooting is good not elite. GTJ is a better comp, but he will likely get close to (or more than) $20m/year.

I'd be happy with any of them, if it opened a door elsewhere (for PG, rim protection, etc) but, if it's just drafting...Dick and Hawkins are THE shooters, IMO.

Oh, yah, Curry is not a rotation player on a contending team deep in the playoffs. He's a back up that is going to make some shots. I think the question we have to ask ourselves is: Is Gradey or Hawkins....I mean I guess Duncan Robinson and Strus were getting minutes, but Miami is kind of a unique team.

I guess i am at the point i just want the Magic to add two good basketball players, two solid rotation players that play winning basketball. I have always said you can add shooting, and i think you can, we've just been in rebuild so the FO just hasn't. You just can't easily add guys that can shoot and play defense and process the game.

Also how is the FO evaluating Suggs. Do they think he can still play lead guard, or are they thinking he is more of a 2 guard. I don't think they are going to bury him on the depth chart. On Thursday we might find out how they really feel about Fultz, Cole, and Suggs. Hawkins, and maybe Gradey, are only capable of playing SG.

[jonbob17]

Just looking at Fournier. He shot 46% with Boston on 6 threes a game and 39% on 8 threes a game his first year in NY as a 6'7" guard, who actually passed a little, 3.7 assists his final year in Orlando. Out the rotation for NY at age 30.

Guess the point is you got be able to do more than shoot.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Honestly don't think you can go wrong with either unless you reach at 6, but I'd hate to be a team needing shooting and take the wrong one.

[GANGSTERDOG]

I don't see him being better than Franz so no.

[Skin]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time(43.5% career), and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

Best case scenario? He'd be the next Ray Allen, RIP Hamilton mold of player coming out of UConn. The type of player who shows up when the bright lights come on. Type of shooter that is unguardable because his release and quickness is lightning fast. He lead his team to the NCAA Championship, while Grady disappeared when needed most.

Gary Trent is no longer an option now that he opted-in with the Raptors.

[Skin]

Honestly don't think you can go wrong with either unless you reach at 6, but I'd hate to be a team needing shooting and take the wrong one.

You take the one that shows up. Dick is way too hot or cold. I see a guy similar to Duncan Robinson. He needs space and room to shoot. Hawkins needs a fraction of a second and sliver of room to drain his shot.

Nobody wants a shooter that doesn't make shots when needed most. Hawkins over Dick is the obvious choice.

[Bensational]

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

I’ll take this bust risk over…”if his shot develops…”

I’m kind of sick of that one. Making the ball go in the orange ring is kind of fundamental. Particularly from 22 feet away.

What is the best case outcome for Jordan Hawkins? Is it better than Gary Trent? Or better yet Josh Hart or Austin Reaves or DiVincenzo or Malik Beasley or Seth Curry?

Would we be better off just paying one of the guys above as a free agent, several of those who actually are more than just a shooter?

That question goes for Gradey Dick too...I think he can do more than shoot, but i am not sure either. At least we know what we are getting with the free agents above. I mean Seth Curry is one of the best three point shooters of all time(43.5% career), and he doesnt do anything else, and he has never stuck with a team and he has never gotten more than $8M a year he is getting paid now.

Why not just sign one of the best shooters of all time to make some shots for our guys?

Not to mention we’ve already got Garry Harris on the team who’s an elite shooter just on lower volume than people would like.

The one thing the bodes well for Hawkins is he is constantly on the move. Like JJ or Boston/Miami Ray Allen or Ross, he is just always moving and finding space. I think those smarts alone will benefit the players. And with less responsibility(he had a 25% USG) he should have more energy for defense.

The other thing is, we might not have enough on-ball-time for two rookies who need the ball in their hands to operate. Ie, say we drafted Black and Wallace, neither will get full on touches unless Cole goes and even then they’ll be splitting touches. At least with Hawkins he has a defined role of making shots and he’s shown he can do that all the way to a championship.

That said, if his shot doesn’t come through it’s a waste of a pick and spot.

[IllMagic04]

Hawkins is probably my selection at 11. I'm hesitant cause I feel like I've been fooled by this kind of prospect before.