Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[Rapaz]

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Is this your Miami Muppet? We have one in Portland.

[greg4012]

Do you go over the 2nd apron to win a championship?

I have to imagine that will become the norm. Nuggets are heading in that direction. What's the deal with Bruce Brown? I don't think they have his bird rights. How do they keep him?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So, if all the news is to be believed, the Blazers will likely hold on to the pick, which means Dame will ask out of Portland.

I think it’s a complete pipe dream that will be equal to winning the lotto, but then again, I remember thinking that there was no way Lebron would choose Miami.

Pats gonna get his whale this time!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Do you go over the 2nd apron to win a championship?

I have to imagine that will become the norm. Nuggets are heading in that direction. What's the deal with Bruce Brown? I don't think they have his bird rights. How do they keep him?

Exactly, I’m tired of hearing about the 2nd apron. If it wins you a championship nothing else matters.

I believe you’re right, 3 year deal at minimum to get bird rights isn’t it? Apparently they plan on keeping him somehow, no clue how they do it though. Feel like they would have to get rid of 1 of KCP or MPJ without looking into it too much.

[BBallFreak]

My target this offseason would be Kristaps Porzingis. I would be looking to move Robinson, Oladipo, and a first or two (I know, it's a lot, but I think he's worth it). I'm then sitting down with Tyler Herro and telling him, in no uncertain terms, that he is our 6th man of the year - our Manu Ginobili - and that he has to be okay with that. We are at our best when we have a balanced scoring attack.

I'm letting Strus go, resigning Vincent and Love, developing Jovic, and looking at Orlando Robinson, Jamal Cain, and a point guard (not sold on Bouyea) with our developmental roster spots.

Pg: Vincent / Lowry
Sg: Martin / Herro
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Porzingis / Jovic - Love
Cc: Bam / Robinson

That's it. I love the idea of Dame, but he may not be attainable. Porzingis is and he fits an immediate need.

This is a pretty solid plan. Have you done the numbers though?

No, kinda not possible to. No clue what Staps's extension would look like or what Vincent's contract will be.

[RexBoyWonder]

Attainable scorers :

Lavine
Sexton
Siakam (don't like the fit)
Porziņgis (health scares me)
Bojan Bogdanovic (old)
Kevin Porter Jr. (crazy)
Christian Wood (soft)

All these guys can score, none are perfect. Most are attainable, if we can get them by using Duncan/Lowry/Dipo + pick/s, some are worth it if we get a good deal.

Personally, I LOVE the fit of Bam/Siakam

1. Not enough shooting with the Bam/Siakam/Butler trio. Too much clooging of the paint.

2. His value is too high, we'll have to sell the farm - and he's not that type of guy IMO.

Guys like Lavine, Prozingis, Bogdanovic, Kevin Porter - you might get them with some very meh offer. Like 1 pick and 1 swap. Or less with the last 2 names.

[greg4012]

Attainable scorers :

Lavine
Sexton
Siakam (don't like the fit)
Porziņgis (health scares me)
Bojan Bogdanovic (old)
Kevin Porter Jr. (crazy)
Christian Wood (soft)

All these guys can score, none are perfect. Most are attainable, if we can get them by using Duncan/Lowry/Dipo + pick/s, some are worth it if we get a good deal.

Personally, I LOVE the fit of Bam/Siakam

1. Not enough shooting with the Bam/Siakam/Butler trio. Too much clooging of the paint.

2. His value is too high, we'll have to sell the farm - and he's not that type of guy IMO.

Guys like Lavine, Prozingis, Bogdanovic, Kevin Porter - you might get them with some very meh offer. Like 1 pick and 1 swap.

He'd be a nice piece to add, but I agree with all of your Siakam concerns. He shoots some 3s but he wants to play in the paint to succeed. He puts up his best stats when the team is bad--hence him putting up his best statistical season and Toronto missing the playoffs and actively considering trading him so as to NOT have to pay him a huge contract into his 30s.

[Daffy]

So I've been thinking and I could be way off here. At first I thought maybe Dame sent signals he wants to be in Miami and will force the trade here, so he probably had it leaked to Miami he was coming and not to blow your assets on Beal. I figured maybe he told Bam and Bam probably told our guys. Then I thought about it deeper. Some reports said Beal ultimately chose Phoenix over Miami so he could play with KD and Booker. Reports also said Miami didn't want to give up their assets in case Dame became available. If you're giving up the minimum for Beal and keeping your good assets for Dame it leads me to believe the plan really might have been to attain Beal AND Dame all along like Barry was saying when I called him crazy and unrealistic with that scenario.

If you're trying to get Beal and had the ability to speak to him you probably sell him on the idea that hey we're sending the minimum for you because we have an idea we can pair you with Jimmy, Dame, and Bam. You'd tell him we have a really good feeling we can acquire both you and Dame.

This leads me to think Miami has no idea if they can really acquire Dame. It actually is a gamble. It's a players league. I'm sure Beal probably would've contacted Dame to see if he really might be on the way. I'm guessing Miami never mentioned the possibility of Dame being there or really told him they have no idea but they'll try, hence why Beal ultimately chose to pair up with KD & Booker. I know the team can't ultimately say yes they've spoken to Dame but I'm sure there must have been some way to "hint" it off to him in a certain way.

I also just woke up so like I said, so these are some of my first thoughts after brushing my teeth and taking a dump.

[Daffy]

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Think Portland possibly keeps him hostage for a little while? They know they can't have it both ways but this article saying they'll take the #3 pick and keep Dame.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Royce and 22 for Dipo and 18

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Think Portland possibly keeps him hostage for a little while? They know they can't have it both ways but this article saying they'll take the #3 pick and keep Dame.

No I don’t think so, probably just forcing Dames hand to ask out. They know trading the 3rd pick is a terrible short sighted move so unless they’re blown away by an offer they’re going to keep it. They know it will upset Dame and they’re ok with that, they’ll just put it on him to ask out if he truly wants out and then they’ll meet his wishes.

The time for them to split has never made more sense, especially if Scoot is there at 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So I've been thinking and I could be way off here. At first I thought maybe Dame sent signals he wants to be in Miami and will force the trade here, so he probably had it leaked to Miami he was coming and not to blow your assets on Beal. I figured maybe he told Bam and Bam probably told our guys. Then I thought about it deeper. Some reports said Beal ultimately chose Phoenix over Miami so he could play with KD and Booker. Reports also said Miami didn't want to give up their assets in case Dame became available. If you're giving up the minimum for Beal and keeping your good assets for Dame it leads me to believe the plan really might have been to attain Beal AND Dame all along like Barry was saying when I called him crazy and unrealistic with that scenario.

If you're trying to get Beal and had the ability to speak to him you probably sell him on the idea that hey we're sending the minimum for you because we have an idea we can pair you with Jimmy, Dame, and Bam. You'd tell him we have a really good feeling we can acquire both you and Dame.

This leads me to think Miami has no idea if they can really acquire Dame. It actually is a gamble. It's a players league. I'm sure Beal probably would've contacted Dame to see if he really might be on the way. I'm guessing Miami never mentioned the possibility of Dame being there or really told him they have no idea but they'll try, hence why Beal ultimately chose to pair up with KD & Booker. I know the team can't ultimately say yes they've spoken to Dame but I'm sure there must have been some way to "hint" it off to him in a certain way.

I also just woke up so like I said, so these are some of my first thoughts after brushing my teeth and taking a dump.

Who knows, maybe after getting so close to winning it all 3 out of the last 4 years Micky finally gave the ok to go all in so maybe the plan was Beal and Dame. I guess we’ll know more based on their moves, if any, after a dame trade if they’re able to acquire him.

[gom]

Think Portland possibly keeps him hostage for a little while? They know they can't have it both ways but this article saying they'll take the #3 pick and keep Dame.

Yes, I thought of this possibiility when I made my offseason plan. The idea is to have space to trade for Lillard at the trade deadline.

[MettaWorldPanda]

My target this offseason would be Kristaps Porzingis. I would be looking to move Robinson, Oladipo, and a first or two (I know, it's a lot, but I think he's worth it). I'm then sitting down with Tyler Herro and telling him, in no uncertain terms, that he is our 6th man of the year - our Manu Ginobili - and that he has to be okay with that. We are at our best when we have a balanced scoring attack.

I'm letting Strus go, resigning Vincent and Love, developing Jovic, and looking at Orlando Robinson, Jamal Cain, and a point guard (not sold on Bouyea) with our developmental roster spots.

Pg: Vincent / Lowry
Sg: Martin / Herro
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Porzingis / Jovic - Love
Cc: Bam / Robinson

That's it. I love the idea of Dame, but he may not be attainable. Porzingis is and he fits an immediate need.

Robinson and Oladipo contracts do not come close to matching Porzingis 36 and would put us heavy into the tax. Robinson and Lowry works 38 out and 36 in

[MettaWorldPanda]

Portland is leveraging the pick right now through the media looking to see what offers they get. Once they make the pick they’ll still be seeking out offers for whomever they take. Miller is the most logical fit to start for them at SF as Scoot would be a backup to Dame so something would have to give there.

[twix2500]

Trading up in the draft using an expiring contract is a tool that can be used and should be explored. Atlanta Hawks are in salary cap issue.

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[Lennyzinho]

My target this offseason would be Kristaps Porzingis. I would be looking to move Robinson, Oladipo, and a first or two (I know, it's a lot, but I think he's worth it). I'm then sitting down with Tyler Herro and telling him, in no uncertain terms, that he is our 6th man of the year - our Manu Ginobili - and that he has to be okay with that. We are at our best when we have a balanced scoring attack.

I'm letting Strus go, resigning Vincent and Love, developing Jovic, and looking at Orlando Robinson, Jamal Cain, and a point guard (not sold on Bouyea) with our developmental roster spots.

Pg: Vincent / Lowry
Sg: Martin / Herro
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Porzingis / Jovic - Love
Cc: Bam / Robinson

That's it. I love the idea of Dame, but he may not be attainable. Porzingis is and he fits an immediate need.

Robinson and Oladipo contracts do not come close to matching Porzingis 36 and would put us heavy into the tax. Robinson and Lowry works 38 out and 36 in

Miami wishes they could get KP 36M incoming for Lowry + Duncan which would be 48M out (not 38).

Remember Ira was very very clear miami wanted Beal for Duncan and Lowry and Wiz wanted no part of it, they want no money for next year. They got a small return from Phoenix to get off Beals deal.

KP is v different. First we don't even know if he's going to opt in. Second he doesn't have a NTC. And if he does opt in, it's one year. Wiz are only gonna want one year deals to match salary (Lowry and Dipo 39M outgoing works perfectly) but they're gonna send KP to the highest bidder. I truly have no idea what KP value is around the league given his (potentially) one year rental and past health concerns.
Dallas basically gave him away not too long ago... tough call in this new 162-179M cap era.

[MHeat0279]

So Ira really hit the nail on the head in the first 4 minutes of this podcast. He literally tells us why Miami lost out on the Bradley Beal deal, and why they decided to push a specific package. Which was Kyle Lowry & Duncan Robinson, 2023 FRP, Jovic. However Washington did not want any money past this season, so they elected to go elsewhere, what they wanted was Lowry, Oladipo, 2023 FRP, Jovic.

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as suspected, Riley tried to be slick and stick it to the Wiz with that horrible Duncan contract, you play with fire you will get your a ss burned.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Robinson, Lowry, and Herro all have to go in a Dame deal. Once they decide to trade Dame it triggers a rebuild and most likely tear down of the payroll. No need for the Blazers to waste there time with Robinson and Herro’s contract. One possible avenue is the Hornets sending Hayward expiring and pick to the Blazers for Herro but do they even want Herro at 27 mil per? BK is in the driver’s seat here if they want him but my guess is Portland gets some vets and he stays with the Blazers.

[MettaWorldPanda]

My target this offseason would be Kristaps Porzingis. I would be looking to move Robinson, Oladipo, and a first or two (I know, it's a lot, but I think he's worth it). I'm then sitting down with Tyler Herro and telling him, in no uncertain terms, that he is our 6th man of the year - our Manu Ginobili - and that he has to be okay with that. We are at our best when we have a balanced scoring attack.

I'm letting Strus go, resigning Vincent and Love, developing Jovic, and looking at Orlando Robinson, Jamal Cain, and a point guard (not sold on Bouyea) with our developmental roster spots.

Pg: Vincent / Lowry
Sg: Martin / Herro
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Porzingis / Jovic - Love
Cc: Bam / Robinson

That's it. I love the idea of Dame, but he may not be attainable. Porzingis is and he fits an immediate need.

Robinson and Oladipo contracts do not come close to matching Porzingis 36 and would put us heavy into the tax. Robinson and Lowry works 38 out and 36 in

Miami wishes they could get KP 36M incoming for Lowry + Duncan which would be 48M out (not 38).

Remember Ira was very very clear miami wanted Beal for Duncan and Lowry and Wiz wanted no part of it, they want no money for next year. They got a small return from Phoenix to get off Beals deal.

KP is v different. First we don't even know if he's going to opt in. Second he doesn't have a NTC. And if he does opt in, it's one year. Wiz are only gonna want one year deals to match salary (Lowry and Dipo 39M outgoing works perfectly) but they're gonna send KP to the highest bidder. I truly have no idea what KP value is around the league given his (potentially) one year rental and past health concerns.
Dallas basically gave him away not too long ago... tough call in this new 162-179M cap era.

Oops my bad i meant to say 48 but in an early post i had Monte Morris included to match salaries. Lowry and Oladipo works but does not work for us cap wise next year and i’ve been saying we are not taking a Jeff Schwartz client on a one year rental. He’a going to want to be here long term.