2023 Trade Rumors

[SoCalJazzFan]

I wish I could find the comment I saw on the General Board but it was by a Spurs fan who said at the time that essentially Murray is not really a PG and is overrated. I can't remember exactly what he said but his post was well-reasoned.

I think we need to ask ourselves what kind of PG are we looking for. Do we want a floor general like CP3/Conley, a big defensive player who probably isn't a very good offensively and has a bad shot like Black, a scoring guard like FVV/Sexton, or any other combination. In other words, do we really need what would be considered a 'traditional' PG, or do we just need a good guard in that spot who doesn't necessarily have that skill but can score and/or defend well.

Looking at the teams that advanced far in the playoffs really none of them had that #1 lead ballhandler/pure floor general archetype. It might be better to have 2-3 guys on the floor who can handle the ball. Denver's best distributor is Jokic. It's Lebron in LA with a few combo guards such as DLo and Schroeder sprinkled in. It's probably Butler or old man Lowry in Miami. The Celtics have 3 combo guards in Smart, Brogdon, and White. The Warriors have had Draymond doing a chunk of the playmaking for years now.

Interesting points, but I think it is arguable that the Celtics lost their series as they didn't have a floor general and at times looked lost. I think that Murray was huge for the Nuggets, and he is the on ball leader, even if the ball is routed through Jokic more often than not.

[AingesBurner]

Saw on Twitter that Utah is trying to move up with 16 and 28. I bet we can at least get 13. Or see if we can get to 12 with 16, 28, lesser of our 25 picks for 12 and our pick back.

[zero24gravity]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-teams-pursuing-no2-pick-rumor

Even if the Jazz do covet the #2 or #3 pick, I don't think even Ainge would move Lauri as part of that package, as the article suggests. It would be one step forward and one step back in the Jazz's progress, which makes no sense. They need a guard like Scoot to pair with Lauri, not in place of him.

Still, I imagine the Jazz are looking at options to move up... because why wouldn't they? If they can use assets without losing Lauri/Kessler, and still get Scoot, even if it's for a bunch of their future picks (I'm talking 3 or 4 picks, swaps, etc), I think it's worth it. It's going to be an intense next week!

[Hoops Addict]

Saw on Twitter Or see if we can get to 12 with 16, 28, lesser of our 25 picks for 12 and our pick back.

So 16, 28 and anothr 25 pick, for 12 and our top 10 protected pick back ( only good for us if we are not terrible next year). Hmmm.

[Hoops Addict]

The trade suggestged is Trade #9 and #28 for #7 and #16.

Is that fair? Do we get the ace we want at #7?

So do we trade our 16 for 26....just to move up to #7? Is that what we need to get Hendrinks or Walker at #7?

That's a better deal for Indiana.......we pay a premium to drop 2 spots.

[Hoops Addict]

The trade suggestged is Trade #9 and #28 for #7 and #16.

Is that fair? Do we get the ace we want at #7?

So do we trade our 16 for 26....just to move up to #7? Is that what we need to get Hendrinks or Walker at #7?

That's a better deal for Indiana.......we pay a premium to drop 2 spots.

[Jazz Dog]

Trade rumor I am hearing around the water cooler but I can't find any reference to it is.

Detroit #5

for

Utah #16 and #28, Cleveland year 25 pick and Lakers year 27 pick.

Anybody heard anything about this one?

I like the fact we get 5 and keep 9, but I don't like the fact of giving up the Lakers pick.

[Inigo Montoya]

Trade rumor I am hearing around the water cooler but I can't find any reference to it is.

Detroit #5

for

Utah #16 and #28, Cleveland year 25 pick and Lakers year 27 pick.

Anybody heard anything about this one?

I like the fact we get 5 and keep 9, but I don't like the fact of giving up the Lakers pick.

The Laker's pick is top-4 protected though, so in effect we're getting a #5 pick for a #5 pick at best in 2027 and nothing at worst.

It is a steep price but not unreasonable. If Whitmore is there at #5, I'd probably do it.

[Jazz Dog]

I'm with you Inigo, I would love to have a Whitmore and Hendricks/Black/Thompson draft. That is a win and we would be one more step closer to being a contender.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'm not super concerned about giving up a couple of future picks to draft players we want now. Realistically, we can't draft and incorporate all of those players into the team over the next 5 years anyway. The Jazz can give up a couple of future FRPs while keeping a quiver of picks in case a star becomes available. Moreover, some of those drafted players could be valuable in such a trade.

I also think that Jazz are also somewhat on the clock with Markkanen and his next contract. Build up the team quickly while he is cheap and before he is up for renewal so that he can see that the team is heading in the right direction and re-sign.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Trade rumor I am hearing around the water cooler but I can't find any reference to it is.

Detroit #5

for

Utah #16 and #28, Cleveland year 25 pick and Lakers year 27 pick.

Anybody heard anything about this one?

I like the fact we get 5 and keep 9, but I don't like the fact of giving up the Lakers pick.

I haven't heard of that one, and it doesn't seem very likely to me as Detroit is still in rebuilding mode and someone like Cam Whitmore could fit into their existing lineup nicely. Having the 5th and 9th pick would be amazing, though, as we could draft two of our favorite draft darlings at these spots.

On the other hand, I could see the Magic trading their #6 pick as the best players available would overlap with their current best players and they need shooters, who will be available where the Jazz are selecting. The Jazz could give them future draft consideration as they don't need more draft picks right now. Something like #9 and a future FRP for #6.

[AGE1207]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

[babyjax13]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

I don't think so. If anything it solidifies the value of our approach, there are four playoff contenders with really short windows, LAL, LAC, GSW, & PHX. If you can develop the youth in that time there will be an opening in a less competitive conference.


Also, I'd love to see if we can get either Poole or Kuminga from GSW.

[HadAnEffectHere]

ESPN once again talking about the Jazz trading up with the Pistons, this time maybe to get Jarace Walker.

Read on Twitter

[Inigo Montoya]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

Hard to say. Before the trade the Wizards were rumored to target a PG in the draft, probably Black, to play next to Beal. But now they may head to a full rebuild and could perhaps look for other prospects, not necessarily point guards. So it could mean they won't pick Black if he's on the board and go another way. Whether it's good or bad for the Jazz, is up for debate. As someone who isn't high on Black and prefers the Jazz don't draft him, I saw it as a positive that the Wizards could draft him before the Jazz get to pick.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

[Inigo Montoya]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

It's a hefty price to pay to move up four spots but I'd probably do it. What's concerning to me is that the article essentially says the Jazz are trying to move up for Anthony Black, and to me, that would be a very bad outcome. So in essence, I don't mind the trade itself, but who the Jazz pick at that spot.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

It's a hefty price to pay to move up four spots but I'd probably do it. What's concerning to me is that the article essentially says the Jazz are trying to move up for Anthony Black, and to me, that would be a very bad outcome. So in essence, I don't mind the trade itself, but who the Jazz pick at that spot.

AB I would love, Jarace I would hate. Jarace is Paul Millsap in talent, Ayton in motor and that guy flames out of the league pretty fast.

AB has Harden-like potential if he learns how to shoot. Will he learn? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.

[stitches]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

It's a hefty price to pay to move up four spots but I'd probably do it. What's concerning to me is that the article essentially says the Jazz are trying to move up for Anthony Black, and to me, that would be a very bad outcome. So in essence, I don't mind the trade itself, but who the Jazz pick at that spot.

AB I would love, Jarace I would hate. Jarace is Paul Millsap in talent, Ayton in motor and that guy flames out of the league pretty fast.

AB has Harden-like potential if he learns how to shoot. Will he learn? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.

He's more like more athletic Rubio than Harden. IMO his shooting and self-creation is nowhere near what would require Harden-type of game.

[D Rog]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

I am not thrilled with the idea of Anthony Black to the Jazz at #9 or #5 for the same concern everybody else brings up, his shooting. Rubio is exactly who I thought of when considering Anthony Black. Did Rubio do much for playoff runs? Was that because of his surrounding players or because defenses didn't have to guard him from range? That said, I put my faith in Ainge.

I don't understand the Pistons willingness to consider the deal with Sexton. Are they moving one of their other PGs? or is Sexton just not really considered a PG? The one thing moving Sexton does is opens up additional salary cap for the Jazz for free agency or they can absorb a bad contract for additional assets (Dallas #10 & Bertans?).