2023 NBA Draft (tonight's discussion on pg 58)

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I just want to state that the rumors leading up to and in other areas is that the Heat did have an offer for Beal, but Beal wanted to go to Phoenix.

I think this is far more likely, especially considering the low price for which he was traded. If Bradley really wanted to go to Miami for a good deal for the Wizards, that Phoenix deal would've been there in July no matter what the Suns might otherwise claim.

Howdy all, Heat fan coming in peace. Just have a question.

Is the Blazers fan base on board with the front office? Are ya'll really in favor of trying to build around Dame and even trading the #3???

As an outsider, this seems like insanity. The blazers have some nice young pieces and have a potential allstar or higher level player available at #3. Dame is 33 (next month). I say this with all due respect, but the blazers are not one piece away, not even two pieces. There are not enough assets to move to help ya'll become overnight contenders to take out the Nuggets, or even the Lakers... and what's going on over in PHX with the new big 3... like, what's the point of wasting assets when ya'll are too far from legit championship contention in the Western conference?


Logical thing to do is to use #3, keep your assets, move Dame, get assets back and build a nice young team for future.


Are ya'll fans on board with the front office on this?

[The Sebastian Express]

I just want to state that the rumors leading up to and in other areas is that the Heat did have an offer for Beal, but Beal wanted to go to Phoenix.

I think this is far more likely, especially considering the low price for which he was traded. If Bradley really wanted to go to Miami for a good deal for the Wizards, that Phoenix deal would've been there in July no matter what the Suns might otherwise claim.

Howdy all, Heat fan coming in peace. Just have a question.

Is the Blazers fan base on board with the front office? Are ya'll really in favor of trying to build around Dame and even trading the #3???

As an outsider, this seems like insanity. The blazers have some nice young pieces and have a potential allstar or higher level player available at #3. Dame is 32. I say this with all due respect, but the blazers are not one piece away, not even two pieces. There are not enough assets to move to help ya'll become overnight contenders to take out the Nuggets, or even the Lakers... and what's going on over in PHX with the new big 3... like, what's the point of wasting assets when ya'll are too far from legit championship contention in the Western conference?


Logical thing to do is to use #3, keep your assets, move Dame, get assets back and build a nice young team for future.


Are ya'll fans on board with the front office on this?

Dame is our Wade. But moreso to us. For many that'll mean being on board with trying to give him a legitimate chance here rather than trade him. That's the simplest and most concise answer I can give you.

[Rapaz]

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Adebayo and Robinson

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I just want to state that the rumors leading up to and in other areas is that the Heat did have an offer for Beal, but Beal wanted to go to Phoenix.

I think this is far more likely, especially considering the low price for which he was traded. If Bradley really wanted to go to Miami for a good deal for the Wizards, that Phoenix deal would've been there in July no matter what the Suns might otherwise claim.

Howdy all, Heat fan coming in peace. Just have a question.

Is the Blazers fan base on board with the front office? Are ya'll really in favor of trying to build around Dame and even trading the #3???

As an outsider, this seems like insanity. The blazers have some nice young pieces and have a potential allstar or higher level player available at #3. Dame is 32. I say this with all due respect, but the blazers are not one piece away, not even two pieces. There are not enough assets to move to help ya'll become overnight contenders to take out the Nuggets, or even the Lakers... and what's going on over in PHX with the new big 3... like, what's the point of wasting assets when ya'll are too far from legit championship contention in the Western conference?


Logical thing to do is to use #3, keep your assets, move Dame, get assets back and build a nice young team for future.


Are ya'll fans on board with the front office on this?

Dame is our Wade. But moreso to us. For many that'll mean being on board with trying to give him a legitimate chance here rather than trade him. That's the simplest and most concise answer I can give you.

Oh I see. So sentimental value, the need to get him a ring while in a Blazers uniform. I sympathize.

[Goldbum]

I think they had to make an offer for Bam, but I think those discussions will end up being about Dame to Miami instead. I still think a 3 way with Boston and Houston is our best chance.
Essentially
Dame to BOS
Brown to Hou
#4 and Jabari Smith and TPE to Portland.
That's the sort of move I pursue if Dame asks out.

[DusterBuster]

I think they had to make an offer for Bam, but I think those discussions will end up being about Dame to Miami instead. I still think a 3 way with Boston and Houston is our best chance.
Essentially
Dame to BOS
Brown to Hou
#4 and Jabari Smith and TPE to Portland.
That's the sort of move I pursue if Dame asks out.

Really? These would all seem pretty against the grain of what's been reported (BOS not interested in moving Brown, Dame not wanting to goto BOS)

[zzaj]

Howdy all, Heat fan coming in peace. Just have a question.

Is the Blazers fan base on board with the front office? Are ya'll really in favor of trying to build around Dame and even trading the #3???

As an outsider, this seems like insanity. The blazers have some nice young pieces and have a potential allstar or higher level player available at #3. Dame is 32. I say this with all due respect, but the blazers are not one piece away, not even two pieces. There are not enough assets to move to help ya'll become overnight contenders to take out the Nuggets, or even the Lakers... and what's going on over in PHX with the new big 3... like, what's the point of wasting assets when ya'll are too far from legit championship contention in the Western conference?


Logical thing to do is to use #3, keep your assets, move Dame, get assets back and build a nice young team for future.


Are ya'll fans on board with the front office on this?

Dame is our Wade. But moreso to us. For many that'll mean being on board with trying to give him a legitimate chance here rather than trade him. That's the simplest and most concise answer I can give you.

Oh I see. So sentimental value, the need to get him a ring while in a Blazers uniform. I sympathize.

Also, you may think the Blazers are two pieces "away"...but "away" from what? I assume you mean competing for a title. If the Blazers with Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Thybulle, Miller (#3), Grant, Nurkic hit the POs healthy and stay healthy, anything can happen. We see that play out every year. Injuries are everything. If the Blazers add some more Big depth, even moreso...

You have to remember that for a team like Portland, and a FO like Portland's...even a trip to the second round is a big deal.

[Village Idiot]

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Adebayo and Robinson

Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

After all the crappy Dame offers Portland fans have had to put up with on Realgam the past month I love the irony of this.

The 3 would be plenty for Bam IMHO. No need to include Sharpe.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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#3, #23, Simons, Sharpe, future first(s) and swap(s)
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Adebayo and Robinson

Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

After all the crappy Dame offers Portland fans have had to put up with on Realgam the past month I love the irony of this.

The 3 would be plenty for Bam IMHO. No need to include Sharpe.

To be fair, Dame is 33 (next month). His window is about to close...

Bam is 25.

Completely different scenarios.

But I get it. The city of Miami was this way with Dan Marino. Under no circumstances would we have traded him, none. And we went down trying to win him a SB ring... unfortunately we failed. So I get it. I'd never have wanted to trade Marino either.

[Dame Lizard]

Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

After all the crappy Dame offers Portland fans have had to put up with on Realgam the past month I love the irony of this.

The 3 would be plenty for Bam IMHO. No need to include Sharpe.

To be fair, Dame is 33 (next month). His window is about to close...

Bam is 25.

Completely different scenarios.

But I get it. The city of Miami was this way with Dan Marino. Under no circumstances would we have traded him, none. And we went down trying to win him a SB ring... unfortunately we failed. So I get it. I'd never have wanted to trade Marino either.

I also get why the Heat would ask for that package for Bam, as they have no incentive to trade a very good young player who is proven and suits the current NBA game well.

However, I personally think that package is nuts, particularly given Portland's situation a. If Dame was 27, sure, I'd happily pony up a mega package for Bam to give them a 7 year contending window together.

[DusterBuster]

Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

After all the crappy Dame offers Portland fans have had to put up with on Realgam the past month I love the irony of this.

The 3 would be plenty for Bam IMHO. No need to include Sharpe.

To be fair, Dame is 33 (next month). His window is about to close...

Bam is 25.

Completely different scenarios.

But I get it. The city of Miami was this way with Dan Marino. Under no circumstances would we have traded him, none. And we went down trying to win him a SB ring... unfortunately we failed. So I get it. I'd never have wanted to trade Marino either.

So many here are so frustrated that the Olshey just never tried to go all in with Dame over his time here, that a lot of us who are on board with trading the pick and keeping Dame largely want to do it to see him have a FO that was finally willing to go above and beyond to put talent around him - at least once, even if that doesn't mean a ring in the end.

I suspect the flood of Blazer rumors today are just that, the FO publicly showing they're trying. The old regime was so closed off from everything, even if they did take big swings, it was never known to the players or media. So while this may just end up that nothing happens and Dame does get moved, they are trying to take a different approach and be more public about the swings they're trying to make.

We all agree Bam is a pipedream at this point. Had the Heat gotten knocked out in the play-in, it would be a whole different story, but it's not happening now. The only way Miami would even remotely consider it is if the deal was sooooo lopsided that it makes the Gobert trade look smart in retrospect. So no one here is really giving the Bam talk much credit aside from the Blazers side getting it out there that they're at least trying.

[DusterBuster]

According to Marang, Charlotte is planning on making their pick tonight. Scoot wants to goto New Orleans the most and his camp is trying to make that happen. He would be fine coming to Portland, but he really doesn't want to goto Charlotte to share the ball with LaMelo. So Charlotte could consider moving down if they want Miller to get more assets.

Basically, it's looking like the Hornets are locked in on Miller, so you could start to see the framework of a deal where in the #2 pick goes to NO so they get Scoot, #3 pick goes to Charlotte for Miller, and Zion comes to Portland.

The only sticking point would be the potential of Charlotte and New Orleans just working directly together to maybe trade the #2 pick for Ingram, but so far New Orleans has not shown much interest in moving BI. Also, from Charlotte's standpoint, you have to wonder if that's very appealing to them, BI is still youngish, but they don't get him on a rookie scale deal for a few years like they'd get with Miller. If you think Miller will be as good as Ingram (which imo isn't an unreasonable projection for the type of player Miller can be), then why take the older version of that player on a more expensive contract? There are also still plenty of rumblings in NO that they're pretty sick of Zion's offcourt stuff.

Another alternative, if NO isn't moving Ingram and Charlotte has made its mind up for Miller, maybe making two separate deals is the way to go for the Blazers. They move 3 and like 5 2nd rounders to get up to 2. Then Blazers move 2 and Nurk for Zion. Then you have Simons and the 23rd pick to get another C upgrade, probably Orlando?

[MiamiSun]

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Bam is 25 yo and he's untouchable, I think Portland knows this. Seems like a PR stunt to say they tried

After all the crappy Dame offers Portland fans have had to put up with on Realgam the past month I love the irony of this.

The 3 would be plenty for Bam IMHO. No need to include Sharpe.

On The surface, Bam for #3 does seem fair, but the fact that the entire defensive scheme is built around Bam. All of our "undrafted" players are there because of our defensive scheme. The Heat would have to totally gut the team because the anchor of our philosophy is not there anymore. So gutting a team that has just had a finals run for a #3 pick is the real decision.

[MiamiSun]

According to Marang, Charlotte is planning on making their pick tonight. Scoot wants to goto New Orleans the most and his camp is trying to make that happen. He would be fine coming to Portland, but he really doesn't want to goto Charlotte to share the ball with LaMelo. So Charlotte could consider moving down if they want Miller to get more assets.

Basically, it's looking like the Hornets are locked in on Miller, so you could start to see the framework of a deal where in the #2 pick goes to NO so they get Scoot, #3 pick goes to Charlotte for Miller, and Zion comes to Portland.

The only sticking point would be the potential of Charlotte and New Orleans just working directly together to maybe trade the #2 pick for Ingram, but so far New Orleans has not shown much interest in moving BI. Also, from Charlotte's standpoint, you have to wonder if that's very appealing to them, BI is still youngish, but they don't get him on a rookie scale deal for a few years like they'd get with Miller. If you think Miller will be as good as Ingram (which imo isn't an unreasonable projection for the type of player Miller can be), then why take the older version of that player on a more expensive contract? There are also still plenty of rumblings in NO that they're pretty sick of Zion's offcourt stuff.

Another alternative, if NO isn't moving Ingram and Charlotte has made its mind up for Miller, maybe making two separate deals is the way to go for the Blazers. They move 3 and like 5 2nd rounders to get up to 2. Then Blazers move 2 and Nurk for Zion. Then you have Simons and the 23rd pick to get another C upgrade, probably Orlando?

Very risky for Portland of all teams, to go after this generation's Greg Oden.

[DusterBuster]

According to Marang, Charlotte is planning on making their pick tonight. Scoot wants to goto New Orleans the most and his camp is trying to make that happen. He would be fine coming to Portland, but he really doesn't want to goto Charlotte to share the ball with LaMelo. So Charlotte could consider moving down if they want Miller to get more assets.

Basically, it's looking like the Hornets are locked in on Miller, so you could start to see the framework of a deal where in the #2 pick goes to NO so they get Scoot, #3 pick goes to Charlotte for Miller, and Zion comes to Portland.

The only sticking point would be the potential of Charlotte and New Orleans just working directly together to maybe trade the #2 pick for Ingram, but so far New Orleans has not shown much interest in moving BI. Also, from Charlotte's standpoint, you have to wonder if that's very appealing to them, BI is still youngish, but they don't get him on a rookie scale deal for a few years like they'd get with Miller. If you think Miller will be as good as Ingram (which imo isn't an unreasonable projection for the type of player Miller can be), then why take the older version of that player on a more expensive contract? There are also still plenty of rumblings in NO that they're pretty sick of Zion's offcourt stuff.

Another alternative, if NO isn't moving Ingram and Charlotte has made its mind up for Miller, maybe making two separate deals is the way to go for the Blazers. They move 3 and like 5 2nd rounders to get up to 2. Then Blazers move 2 and Nurk for Zion. Then you have Simons and the 23rd pick to get another C upgrade, probably Orlando?

Very risky for Portland of all teams, to go after this generation's Greg Oden.

You must not remember Greg Oden's injuries very well. Oden was in way worse shape with degenerative knees.

Dame also liked a tweet from a Blazer fan suggesting bringing Zion to Portland, but I get why you don't like that idea lol...

[MiamiSun]

According to Marang, Charlotte is planning on making their pick tonight. Scoot wants to goto New Orleans the most and his camp is trying to make that happen. He would be fine coming to Portland, but he really doesn't want to goto Charlotte to share the ball with LaMelo. So Charlotte could consider moving down if they want Miller to get more assets.

Basically, it's looking like the Hornets are locked in on Miller, so you could start to see the framework of a deal where in the #2 pick goes to NO so they get Scoot, #3 pick goes to Charlotte for Miller, and Zion comes to Portland.

The only sticking point would be the potential of Charlotte and New Orleans just working directly together to maybe trade the #2 pick for Ingram, but so far New Orleans has not shown much interest in moving BI. Also, from Charlotte's standpoint, you have to wonder if that's very appealing to them, BI is still youngish, but they don't get him on a rookie scale deal for a few years like they'd get with Miller. If you think Miller will be as good as Ingram (which imo isn't an unreasonable projection for the type of player Miller can be), then why take the older version of that player on a more expensive contract? There are also still plenty of rumblings in NO that they're pretty sick of Zion's offcourt stuff.

Another alternative, if NO isn't moving Ingram and Charlotte has made its mind up for Miller, maybe making two separate deals is the way to go for the Blazers. They move 3 and like 5 2nd rounders to get up to 2. Then Blazers move 2 and Nurk for Zion. Then you have Simons and the 23rd pick to get another C upgrade, probably Orlando?

Very risky for Portland of all teams, to go after this generation's Greg Oden.

You must not remember Greg Oden's injuries very well. Oden was in way worse shape with degenerative knees.

Dame also liked a tweet from a Blazer fan suggesting bringing Zion to Portland, but I get why you don't like that idea lol...

I am just a Heat fan having NBA withdrawal after the finals run, I usually don't comment on other teams boards but damn, This Dame to Miami thing is juicy and coming just a few weeks after the finals. That being said, I can't for the life of me understand why Portland of all teams would even consider trading this amazing opportunity for a rebuild for a player with so many red flags in regards to his health like Zion.

[DusterBuster]

Very risky for Portland of all teams, to go after this generation's Greg Oden.

You must not remember Greg Oden's injuries very well. Oden was in way worse shape with degenerative knees.

Dame also liked a tweet from a Blazer fan suggesting bringing Zion to Portland, but I get why you don't like that idea lol...

I am just a Heat fan having NBA withdrawal after the finals run, I usually don't comment on other teams boards but damn, This Dame to Miami thing is juicy and coming just a few weeks after the finals. That being said, I can't for the life of me understand why Portland of all teams would even consider trading this amazing opportunity for a rebuild for a player with so many red flags in regards to his health like Zion.

We've explained it a million times, so if you really care, feel free to dig through the forum and read why this is acceptable to some fans.

I'm OK if the Blazers want to trade Dame and go full rebuild, but I'm also OK if they want to take a big swing risk to give Dame the best player he's ever played with.

The only way the Blazers can ever get star-level players if via the draft or trades. Unlike Miami, no one wants to come to Portland, OR, and thanks to a decade of Neil Olshey as GM, he made sure that the team would never take a big swing via trades for a star-level player either. So for those of us OK with a player like Zion, it's because we haven't seen this franchise make a huge splashy risky trade in literal decades.

All this to say, I understand why you - as a Heat fan - wouldn't understand our POV since you've not been in our situation.

[DusterBuster]

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Not a whole lot of new news from Windy, that said, it's pretty much the first time I've seen some actual nuance with the situation. As Windy says and as the tweeter says, just because they make the pick, it doesn't mean they're trying to not still fill out the roster with veterans in other ways. A trickier sell for Dame, but if they can pull a solid vet for Simons and future picks while still keeping #3... I don't think it has to be as cut and dry as its getting reported in some places.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

We are going to try and have our cake and eat it too. I will be shocked (probably in a good way) if Portland actually commits to one lane or the other.