2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

MagicFan101 · Post #1501 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:59 pm

If if if if we keep both picks (which is not my preference) then this feels a lot like the last time we had two lotto picks and every mock had a different named tossed at us.

I remember when our #8 pick was surely going to be a guard out of the handful of names from Bouk, Moody, Giddey or the like. In the end it was none of them and we grabbed Franz!!

This year feels very similar.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1502 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:03 pm

Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.

yoyojw17 · Post #1503 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:05 pm

The Effect wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
fendilim wrote:I think we’ll need to add more to make this work

Sounds like San Antonio want to come out of this draft ready to compete. They are a team that is getting mentioned with the free agents and Chris Paul and such. Assuming they will want Vassell to help them win now. BIlal seeems like a large project.

For sure, I doubt they are still gonna tank, but I think first and foremost they want to do everything for wembys to be comfortable and successful and that can begin with his French teammate. And the money they would of paid vassell (who is a fa after this upcoming season) could go to say Austin Reaves and cp3

Imagine that lineup

Wembys
Sochan
Keldon
Reaves
Cp3

With a bench of tre Jones, coulabily, collins, graham and McDermott , branham....

That's a team that compete next year

And as for needing to add more, maybe? But at the same time coulabily is a projected top 10 pick in a deep draft with the potential to be one of the top players from this draft, and has added value for the Spurs cause of the wembys connection....I could see them asking for more but not anything crazy...maybe the Denver pick or our 2nd this year (worthless to weham lol) and a future pick etc

Fred vanvleet might be an option for them at the PG position... and austin reaves combo would be super interesting too.

basketballRob · Post #1504 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:07 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.

According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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VFX · Post #1505 » by **VFX** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Maybe Cam falls in Orlando’s lap. Not sure if he’s a guy the FO would take a risk on.

Redick07 · Post #1506 » by **Redick07** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:14 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Hope we can get Ausar at 6. He is raw and still shows room to improve but he learn quickly. I think this guy will be one of our key player in 3 years.

yoyojw17 · Post #1507 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:16 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Maybe Cam falls in Orlando’s lap. Not sure if he’s a guy the FO would take a risk on.

And if he's not... i'm totally down to trade down to #9 and #16 with the Jazz if available. Coulibaly, Bufkin, and Lively combination would be a great mix of swinging for the fences... and getting on base. lol

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1508 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:24 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
basketballRob wrote:According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Maybe Cam falls in Orlando’s lap. Not sure if he’s a guy the FO would take a risk on.

And if he's not... i'm totally down to trade down to #9 and #16 with the Jazz if available. Coulibaly, Bufkin, and Lively combination would be a great mix of swinging for the fences... and getting on base. lol

No way we are bringing in 3 rookies. They don’t even want to bring in 2 by the looks of it and what Weltman said yesterday.

Post #1509 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Wild. I've sort of gotten my hopes up about a Thompson but there is quite the hype train to jump on for Whitmore if needed. People saying he looks like Anthony Edwards has me interested.

fendilim · Post #1510 » by **fendilim** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:35 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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The guy from ringer (not koc) said cam and rockets

basketballRob · Post #1511 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:42 pm

fendilim wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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The guy from ringer (not koc) said cam and rockets

Since then, the Rockets have had positive comments about Amen

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Black and Blue · Post #1512 » by **Black and Blue** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:48 pm

eyriq wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Cam

will be the order and I'd love for magic to move back and grab another asset as long as it's not past 15.
According to Wasserman, the Pistons cooled on Cam after he had a bad workout a couple of days ago. Right after that is when Ausar canceled his workout with the Pacers.

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Wild. I've sort of gotten my hopes up about a Thompson but there is quite the hype train to jump on for Whitmore if needed. People saying he looks like Anthony Edwards has me interested.

Something is definitely afoot. Several of the mocks in the past 24 hours are saying Ausar 5th and Cam slides in the draft. Supposedly bad workouts. Obviously could be smokescreens but I could see a world where a player like Cam is more impressive in games than workouts.

I’d 100% grab Cam Whitmore with the 6th pick if he is there. Definitely worth it rather than players with role player ceilings.

I really hope the Magic learned from the last two years. They didn’t take the expected or safe picks with Paolo and Franz at their slots and were rewarded for doing so. Cam (or Ausar if he is there) is just the high upside pick that could propel this team to another level.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1513 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:54 pm

I like the idea of Amen Thompson pairing up with Suggs in the backcourt with Amen being primary ball handler. We'd probably have to move up.

I have a sneaky suspicion that we are drafting Anthony Black. Im not for it, think its a weird fit but I feel it in my gut.

pepe1991 · Post #1514 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:57 pm

Nothing about Cam strikes me as some elite prospect. Matter of fact, to me, he looks like Cam Reddish. Looks pretty while doing nothing above average and at college plays that quasi- PF position that in nba is impossible to replicate ( basically Winslow's whole draft stock was fabrication of facts and pretending he was college SF that could play SG when he spent whole year playing nothing but PF).

Best case OG/ Rudy Gay-lite.

basketballRob · Post #1515 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:58 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I like the idea of Amen Thompson pairing up with Suggs in the backcourt with Amen being primary ball handler. We'd probably have to move up.

I have a sneaky suspicion that we are drafting Anthony Black. Im not for it, think its a weird fit but I feel it in my gut.

Amen is likely going to Houston. Reports are saying he crushed his workout with them.

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jonbob17 · Post #1516 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:59 pm

Interesting stat i stumbled on this morning. Fournier was always a fine shooter with the Magic but really excelled on going to more balanced teams in Boston and NY:
46% with Boston on 6 threes a game
39% on 8 threes a game his first year in NY
Very impressive efficiency on volume.

Everyone always points to Kawhi as the model for improving from the lower ranks.

Fournier year one French league 21.7% on 1.6 threes a game
year two 27.7% on 4.6 threes a game

Granted he shot 40.7% on 1.4 threes as a 20 year old rookie in Denver...so the Magic don't get the credit for developing the three. Also shot 84% and 75% from the line his two years in France so there was some evidence of a shot.

Just interesting Fournier turned into a career 38% 3 point shooter on volume, after such miserable shooting as a 18 and 19 year old. Not saying this provides evidence of nonshooters in this class turning into shooters...but another success story besides Kawhi...countless others for and against young non-shooters. Lamelo Ball(25% on heavy volume) might be good examples of some of the guys avaialable in our range...Anthony Black...

basketballRob · Post #1517 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:59 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Nothing about Cam strikes me as some elite prospect. Matter of fact, to me, he looks like Cam Reddish. Looks pretty while doing nothing above average and at college plays that quasi- PF position that in nba is impossible to replicate ( basically Winslow's whole draft stock was fabrication of facts and pretending he was college SF that could play SG when he spent whole year playing nothing but PF).

He can guard SGs. He has really good lateral quickness.

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pepe1991 · Post #1518 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:03 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Interesting stat i stumbled on this morning. Fournier was always a fine shooter with the Magic but really excelled on going to more balanced teams in Boston and NY:
46% with Boston on 6 threes a game
39% on 8 threes a game his first year in NY
Very impressive efficiency on volume.

Everyone always points to Kawhi as the model for improving from the lower ranks.

Fournier year one French league 21.7% on 1.6 threes a game
year two 27.7% on 4.6 threes a game

Granted he shot 40.7% on 1.4 threes as a 20 year old rookie in Denver...so the Magic don't get the credit for developing the three. Also shot 84% and 75% from the line his two years in France so there was some evidence of a shot.

Just interesting Fournier turned into a career 38% 3 point shooter on volume, after such miserable shooting as a 18 and 19 year old. Not saying this provides evidence of nonshooters in this class turning into shooters...but another success story besides Kawhi...countless others for and against young non-shooters

Because he shot 41% for 3 as rookie on on 1,4 attemps for Denver and 37,6% as sophmore on 3,1 attemps. In his first 12 games for Magic he made 26 threes on 50% for 3 .

Post #1519 » by **Knightro** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:08 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Nothing about Cam strikes me as some elite prospect. Matter of fact, to me, he looks like Cam Reddish. Looks pretty while doing nothing above average and at college plays that quasi- PF position that in nba is impossible to replicate ( basically Winslow's whole draft stock was fabrication of facts and pretending he was college SF that could play SG when he spent whole year playing nothing but PF).

Best case OG/ Rudy Gay-lite.

I love you pepe, but it's time to put your name on at least one prospect you like :lol:

Can't just brutalize every single player someone throws out there without offering some sort of suggestion.

Petre1978 · Post #1520 » by **Petre1978** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:09 pm

Knightro wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Nothing about Cam strikes me as some elite prospect. Matter of fact, to me, he looks like Cam Reddish. Looks pretty while doing nothing above average and at college plays that quasi- PF position that in nba is impossible to replicate ( basically Winslow's whole draft stock was fabrication of facts and pretending he was college SF that could play SG when he spent whole year playing nothing but PF).

Best case OG/ Rudy Gay-lite.

I love you pepe, but it's time to put your name on at least one prospect you like

Can't just brutalize every single player someone throws out there without offering some sort of suggestion.