Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time

[El Alonzo scowl]

Gonna be another thread title I'm going to end up having to change

"Lame time"

[_GH0ST_]

It only took a few days for the previous thread to be 100 pages lol #HeatCulture

We were going through 1-2 threads a day this time last year during the ICC era

Luckily his nuggets are no more

[Heat3]

To the people making the Bills analogy. Hell yeah they were successful. What I wouldn't give for the Dolphins to have been that successful. Instead they got rid of the the old man who was running things for 25 year because "the game passed him by". 26 years later, 12 head coaches later, they only have 3 playoff wins in that time. Dolphins did exactly what a lot of posters want the Heat to do. Be careful what you wish for.

[greg4012]

That teams closer to a window of championship than this team is.

We were an 8 seed. Don’t get blinded by the championship run

Patently wrong. But I know you're the class of fan that thinks Bam is essentially a replacement level big man, so I can't take what you post too seriously.

I see a lot of value in Bam, and what he brings in the P&R game, how he anchors our defense, all that.

However, he constantly gets dominated by bigger centers, has a very passive/inconsistent offensive game, and has disappeared in big moments. I also Hate his fake aggressive-energy bring the ball up the court and then stop doing anything.

I love Bam, I just Think it’s naive not to consider any trades that could bring us a star player (which I believe Scoot can be) and multiple assets.

He’s not a top top level offensive star, which is something you need out of your max guys to win a championship in this league.

That doesn’t mean he’s not a max player. If you had a guy like Lillard or KD, Bams value rises TREMENDOUSLY and he’s worth every penny . But Bam/Jimmy as your 2 best players is somewhat redundant if you don’t have a true scorer. And Herro is not that guy (not to mention Jimmy/Herro’s falling out making things weird around Herro).

That all changes once Bam learns a consistent jump shot, Ala KG (who needed 2 real all-time scorers to win a ring)

I’m not content struggling to get over 95 in the biggest games

So you're offensive starry-eyed, but fail to see the rest of the game. You need to learn to understand how playoff basketball actually unfolds and is won. It's much easier to get someone to supplement scoring next to Bam than it is to replicate all of the court game that Bam provides in creating advantage or nullifying the other team's attempts.

You just finished trying to compare Bam to Robert Williams. A guy who can only stay on the court on defense if he's surrounded by 4 plus defenders that do all of the space play for him. He needs to be within 10 feet of the basket or have a player without a live dribble to defend in the postseason and he needs all offense created for him. Yet, you don't see that. You just see dunks and blocks and say "why can't Bam do that?"

There's honestly too much nonsense to unpack. Some fans are dying to be the Thunder just so they can dream about what all their prospect might do one day. Grass ain't always greener.

Bam has been a starter for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons, he has been to the playoffs 4 times, ECFs 3 times, and Finals twice. He was the second most important player for each of those runs. GTFOH with these replacement level centers that get played out of playoff basketball games 50% of the time.

Rapaz just made a parody move to become a Blazers fan. Maybe you can be that parody come to life and cheer on Scoot for the asset championship.

[AirP.]

The success Miami has had is because of Bam and Jimmy, everyone else was a roleplayer to them except for Dragic during the bubble run.

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[Shewasfly]

In a vacuum, if that trade package for Bam is true and Scoot is at 3, it is an absolute no brainer to make the trade. That would be a massive overpay for Bam. And with all those assets, the Heat could easily flip them into star(s) to pair with Jimmy to stay in win now mode.

But that's just in a vacuum and without context. No way the Blazers actually would do it first of all. Secondly, I can't see the FO taking that huge of a risk after an incredible playoff run and finals appearance. If it doesn't turn out well, how do you justify it to the fanbase? Yeah, I think its all nonsense.

[HeatIn5]

I think some of you need to go watch some Scoot highlights

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Patently wrong. But I know you're the class of fan that thinks Bam is essentially a replacement level big man, so I can't take what you post too seriously.

I see a lot of value in Bam, and what he brings in the P&R game, how he anchors our defense, all that.

However, he constantly gets dominated by bigger centers, has a very passive/inconsistent offensive game, and has disappeared in big moments. I also Hate his fake aggressive-energy bring the ball up the court and then stop doing anything.

I love Bam, I just Think it’s naive not to consider any trades that could bring us a star player (which I believe Scoot can be) and multiple assets.

He’s not a top top level offensive star, which is something you need out of your max guys to win a championship in this league.

That doesn’t mean he’s not a max player. If you had a guy like Lillard or KD, Bams value rises TREMENDOUSLY and he’s worth every penny . But Bam/Jimmy as your 2 best players is somewhat redundant if you don’t have a true scorer. And Herro is not that guy (not to mention Jimmy/Herro’s falling out making things weird around Herro).

That all changes once Bam learns a consistent jump shot, Ala KG (who needed 2 real all-time scorers to win a ring)

I’m not content struggling to get over 95 in the biggest games

So you're offensive starry-eyed, but fail to see the rest of the game. You need to learn to understand how playoff basketball actually unfolds and is won. It's much easier to get someone to supplement scoring next to Bam than it is to replicate all of the court game that Bam provides in creating advantage or nullifying the other team's attempts.

You just finished trying to compare Bam to Robert Williams. A guy who can only stay on the court on defense if he's surrounded by 4 plus defenders that do all of the space play for him. He needs to be within 10 feet of the basket or have a player without a live dribble to defend in the postseason and he needs all offense created for him. Yet, you don't see that. You just see dunks and blocks and say "why can't Bam do that?"

There's honestly too much nonsense to unpack. Some fans are dying to be the Thunder just so they can dream about what all their prospect might do one day. Grass ain't always greener.

Bam has been a starter for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons, he has been to the playoffs 4 times, ECFs 3 times, and Finals twice. He was the second most important player for each of those runs. GTFOH with these replacement level centers that get played out of playoff basketball games 50% of the time.

Rapaz just made a parody move to become a Blazers fan. Maybe you can be that parody come to life and cheer on Scoot for the asset championship.

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[greg4012]

I've watched Scoot G League games. Highlights are only part of the story.

I think he will be a very good player, though. De'Aaron Fox is the archetype I see.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/how-athletic-is-scoot-henderson

[AirP.]

An amazing move to me would be acquiring Zion to go with Butler and Bam. Zion in Miami's environment is probably his best chance for him to reach his potential.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

An amazing move to me would be acquiring Zion to go with Butler and Bam. Zion in Miami's environment is probably his best chance for him to reach his potential.

Disagree. One taste of our cafecito y pan cubano's con queso y bistec, arroz con leche, and pastelito guayaba y queso, and he's back up to 400 pounds

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[batterybro42]

I get the feeling we are in store for a massive roster shakeup

[Rapaz]

I get the feeling we are in store for a massive roster shakeup

For the first time in several years, Riley did not mention “whale” in his press conference.



He’s going for it.

[wade44]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter when Portland is not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly to a non-existent trade if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

[HeatIn5]

Patently wrong. But I know you're the class of fan that thinks Bam is essentially a replacement level big man, so I can't take what you post too seriously.

I see a lot of value in Bam, and what he brings in the P&R game, how he anchors our defense, all that.

However, he constantly gets dominated by bigger centers, has a very passive/inconsistent offensive game, and has disappeared in big moments. I also Hate his fake aggressive-energy bring the ball up the court and then stop doing anything.

I love Bam, I just Think it’s naive not to consider any trades that could bring us a star player (which I believe Scoot can be) and multiple assets.

He’s not a top top level offensive star, which is something you need out of your max guys to win a championship in this league.

That doesn’t mean he’s not a max player. If you had a guy like Lillard or KD, Bams value rises TREMENDOUSLY and he’s worth every penny . But Bam/Jimmy as your 2 best players is somewhat redundant if you don’t have a true scorer. And Herro is not that guy (not to mention Jimmy/Herro’s falling out making things weird around Herro).

That all changes once Bam learns a consistent jump shot, Ala KG (who needed 2 real all-time scorers to win a ring)

I’m not content struggling to get over 95 in the biggest games

So you're offensive starry-eyed, but fail to see the rest of the game. You need to learn to understand how playoff basketball actually unfolds and is won. It's much easier to get someone to supplement scoring next to Bam than it is to replicate all of the court game that Bam provides in creating advantage or nullifying the other team's attempts.

You just finished trying to compare Bam to Robert Williams. A guy who can only stay on the court on defense if he's surrounded by 4 plus defenders that do all of the space play for him. He needs to be within 10 feet of the basket or have a player without a live dribble to defend in the postseason and he needs all offense created for him. Yet, you don't see that. You just see dunks and blocks and say "why can't Bam do that?"

There's honestly too much nonsense to unpack. Some fans are dying to be the Thunder just so they can dream about what all their prospect might do one day. Grass ain't always greener.

Bam has been a starter for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons, he has been to the playoffs 4 times, ECFs 3 times, and Finals twice. He was the second most important player for each of those runs. GTFOH with these replacement level centers that get played out of playoff basketball games 50% of the time.

Rapaz just made a parody move to become a Blazers fan. Maybe you can be that parody come to life and cheer on Scoot for the asset championship.

Your description of me in the beginning would be hilarious if you actually knew who I was and what I did For a profession, but I digress.

I think You’re misinterpreting everything I said.

I love bam, and see all of his value. I said He’s closer to Rob than to Tatum, not that he’s Rob.

Can’t argue his struggles against true bigs.

All I said Is that you have to consider making a move. Have a discussion about it. To say “absolutely not, this is our team and we’re sticking with it and running it back” is a bad logic. Always have to improve and have dialogue about improving.

I see Scoot in the pre injury DRose, pre gun Ja, Russ, pre-winning Wade camp. I think Elite scoring guards who have the ability to run teams have more value than elite bigs. Plus the fact that you’d get more assets on top of that makes it a conversation.

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

[AirP.]

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[greg4012]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter because Portland is probably not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

Because people have office jobs and enjoy bantering for sport. I never saw reports including the farm with the pick--just Portland's version of Tyler Herro. I'm just not bending over backwards to dismantle a championship contending core for a guy who used to be the consensus #2 pick in the draft and has slid down as time goes on.

Shocking stuff, I know

[AirP.]

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[greg4012]

I see a lot of value in Bam, and what he brings in the P&R game, how he anchors our defense, all that.

However, he constantly gets dominated by bigger centers, has a very passive/inconsistent offensive game, and has disappeared in big moments. I also Hate his fake aggressive-energy bring the ball up the court and then stop doing anything.

I love Bam, I just Think it’s naive not to consider any trades that could bring us a star player (which I believe Scoot can be) and multiple assets.

He’s not a top top level offensive star, which is something you need out of your max guys to win a championship in this league.

That doesn’t mean he’s not a max player. If you had a guy like Lillard or KD, Bams value rises TREMENDOUSLY and he’s worth every penny . But Bam/Jimmy as your 2 best players is somewhat redundant if you don’t have a true scorer. And Herro is not that guy (not to mention Jimmy/Herro’s falling out making things weird around Herro).

That all changes once Bam learns a consistent jump shot, Ala KG (who needed 2 real all-time scorers to win a ring)

I’m not content struggling to get over 95 in the biggest games

So you're offensive starry-eyed, but fail to see the rest of the game. You need to learn to understand how playoff basketball actually unfolds and is won. It's much easier to get someone to supplement scoring next to Bam than it is to replicate all of the court game that Bam provides in creating advantage or nullifying the other team's attempts.

You just finished trying to compare Bam to Robert Williams. A guy who can only stay on the court on defense if he's surrounded by 4 plus defenders that do all of the space play for him. He needs to be within 10 feet of the basket or have a player without a live dribble to defend in the postseason and he needs all offense created for him. Yet, you don't see that. You just see dunks and blocks and say "why can't Bam do that?"

There's honestly too much nonsense to unpack. Some fans are dying to be the Thunder just so they can dream about what all their prospect might do one day. Grass ain't always greener.

Bam has been a starter for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons, he has been to the playoffs 4 times, ECFs 3 times, and Finals twice. He was the second most important player for each of those runs. GTFOH with these replacement level centers that get played out of playoff basketball games 50% of the time.

Rapaz just made a parody move to become a Blazers fan. Maybe you can be that parody come to life and cheer on Scoot for the asset championship.

Your description of me in the beginning would be hilarious if you actually knew who I was and what I did For a profession, but I digress.

I think You’re misinterpreting everything I said.

I love bam, and see all of his value. I said He’s closer to Rob than to Tatum, not that he’s Rob.

Can’t argue his struggles against true bigs.

All I said Is that you have to consider making a move. Have a discussion about it. To say “absolutely not, this is our team and we’re sticking with it and running it back” is a bad logic. Always have to improve and have dialogue about improving.

I see Scoot in the pre injury DRose, pre gun Ja, Russ, pre-winning Wade camp. I think Elite scoring guards who have the ability to run teams have more value than elite bigs. Plus the fact that you’d get more assets on top of that makes it a conversation.

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

Can def argue the lazy narrative that he "struggles against true bigs". He defended Jokic as well as anyone and routinely holds Embiid to below his averages. Who else does that?

Half the time, Bam's focus is defending the actual source of offense for the team moreso than an individual big matchup. Some of you all probably see no name mcgoo getting some open dunks and think Bam is failing. Snooze.