Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time

[HeatIn5]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter when Portland is not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly to a non-existent trade if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

This. This is all I’m saying.

[AirP.]

Can def argue is "struggles against true bigs". He defended Jokic as well as anyone and routinely holds Embiid to below his averages. Who else does that?

Half the time, Bam's focus is defending the actual source of offense for the team moreso than an individual big matchup. Some of you all probably see no name mcgoo getting some open dunks and think Bam is failing. Snooze.

Most struggle against true bigs. I just hope Bam works on his low post game so he can really take advantage when a smaller player is defending him near the basket.

[eddieheatfan]

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[wade44]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter because Portland is probably not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

Because people have office jobs and enjoy bantering for sport. I never saw reports including the farm with the pick--just Portland's version of Tyler Herro. I'm just not bending over backwards to dismantle a championship contending core for a guy who used to be the consensus #2 pick in the draft and has slid down as time goes on.

Shocking stuff, I know

You mean a core not good enough tied up with several bad contracts with no viable improvements to be made?

Look if Portland is only offering the 3rd pick and mid at best prospects then yeah obviously Heat are laughing and hanging up. But if Portland is desperate and offers some kind of godfather Rudy Gobert type package then absolutely Bam has a price

[greg4012]

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

I think you're being a bit disingenuous about trying to take high ground when your original posts were pretty outlandish:

You can’t build around a guy who gets his lunch taken by Clint Capela and Okongwu every time

He is closer to Rob Williams than Jayson Tatum

Heat get - Scoot, Wendell, Sharpe, #23, 3 future 1sts, future pick swaps

Blazers get - Bam, Duncan

Magic get - Simons

Scoot/Vincent?
Herro/Sharpe
Jimmy/Highsmith
Martin/Jovic
Wendell

With 18,23, Lowrys expiring, Oladipo expiring to play with

That teams closer to a window of championship than this team is.

[AirP.]

Any chance the summer of 2023 is a mirror of the summer of 2022? Miami's FO completely locked in on one player and lets other upgrades just slip through their fingers?

[IceColdCubano]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter because Portland is probably not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

Because people have office jobs and enjoy bantering for sport. I never saw reports including the farm with the pick--just Portland's version of Tyler Herro. I'm just not bending over backwards to dismantle a championship contending core for a guy who used to be the consensus #2 pick in the draft and has slid down as time goes on.

Shocking stuff, I know

You mean a core not good enough tied up with several bad contracts with no viable improvements to be made?

Look if Portland is only offering the 3rd pick and mid at best prospects then yeah it’s obviously Heat are laughing and hanging up. But if Portland is desperate and offers some kind of godfather Rudy Gobert type package then absolutely Bam has a price

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Wouldn't Mind watching this in Miami, its like our version of Ja Morant here....

My gawd his handles and athletism!!!

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[eddieheatfan]

Any chance the summer of 2023 is a mirror of the summer of 2022? Miami's FO completely locked in on one player and lets other upgrades just slip through their fingers?

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[greg4012]

While the trade is not going to happen you’d be nuts to be so dismissive of the hypothetical Bam for all of Portland’s farm and the #3 pick. Doesn't matter because Portland is probably not interested and neither is Miami so why even react so strongly if you weren’t self conscious about how Bam is viewed with the fan base.

Because people have office jobs and enjoy bantering for sport. I never saw reports including the farm with the pick--just Portland's version of Tyler Herro. I'm just not bending over backwards to dismantle a championship contending core for a guy who used to be the consensus #2 pick in the draft and has slid down as time goes on.

Shocking stuff, I know

You mean a core not good enough tied up with several bad contracts with no viable improvements to be made?

Look if Portland is only offering the 3rd pick and mid at best prospects then yeah obviously Heat are laughing and hanging up. But if Portland is desperate and offers some kind of godfather Rudy Gobert type package then absolutely Bam has a price

Depends what you consider the core. I'm dying for moves to unload Herro and picks to resolve some of the roster imbalances and take this core to the next level

[HeatIn5]

So you're offensive starry-eyed, but fail to see the rest of the game. You need to learn to understand how playoff basketball actually unfolds and is won. It's much easier to get someone to supplement scoring next to Bam than it is to replicate all of the court game that Bam provides in creating advantage or nullifying the other team's attempts.

You just finished trying to compare Bam to Robert Williams. A guy who can only stay on the court on defense if he's surrounded by 4 plus defenders that do all of the space play for him. He needs to be within 10 feet of the basket or have a player without a live dribble to defend in the postseason and he needs all offense created for him. Yet, you don't see that. You just see dunks and blocks and say "why can't Bam do that?"

There's honestly too much nonsense to unpack. Some fans are dying to be the Thunder just so they can dream about what all their prospect might do one day. Grass ain't always greener.

Bam has been a starter for 4 seasons. In those 4 seasons, he has been to the playoffs 4 times, ECFs 3 times, and Finals twice. He was the second most important player for each of those runs. GTFOH with these replacement level centers that get played out of playoff basketball games 50% of the time.

Rapaz just made a parody move to become a Blazers fan. Maybe you can be that parody come to life and cheer on Scoot for the asset championship.

Your description of me in the beginning would be hilarious if you actually knew who I was and what I did For a profession, but I digress.

I think You’re misinterpreting everything I said.

I love bam, and see all of his value. I said He’s closer to Rob than to Tatum, not that he’s Rob.

Can’t argue his struggles against true bigs.

All I said Is that you have to consider making a move. Have a discussion about it. To say “absolutely not, this is our team and we’re sticking with it and running it back” is a bad logic. Always have to improve and have dialogue about improving.

I see Scoot in the pre injury DRose, pre gun Ja, Russ, pre-winning Wade camp. I think Elite scoring guards who have the ability to run teams have more value than elite bigs. Plus the fact that you’d get more assets on top of that makes it a conversation.

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

Can def argue is "struggles against true bigs". He defended Jokic as well as anyone and routinely holds Embiid to below his averages. Who else does that?

Half the time, Bam's focus is defending the actual source of offense for the team moreso than an individual big matchup. Some of you all probably see no name mcgoo getting some open dunks and think Bam is failing. Snooze.

No but if you want to talk actual basketball, Bam should have another adequate rim defender next to him (Brook Lopez is beyond perfect fit) who can allow Bam to Roam and cover wings and then help into the paint. You’ll see Bams rebound numbers skyrocket if he is able to act more in a help-defense role. You do bam a disservice playing small. It’s contradictory to his strengths

Against Denver I would Have had Bam covering Aaron Gordon, putting Love on Jokic. Love can cover Jokic on perimeter, and Bam helps on those duck-in’s in the post.

So if you’re gonna keep Bam as the focal point, which you missed my entire 2 paragraphs about thinking Bam is a max player in this game and on this team, you need 1 of 2 things -

1. A true #1 scorer. Jimmy should be #2 option, Bam should be #3, and then shooters 4-5. Preferably one that can also initiate offense

2. A stretch big that can defend and hit shots. Preferably one as big or bigger than Bam. A Lopez, JJJ, Siakam type player.

But either way I don’t Discount the package of

Henderson, Simons (flipped for a big), Sharpe, #23, 2-3 future 1sts AND getting off Duncan’s contract

I’d rather have a stud guard and replacement level big (Precious, example) than a replacement level guard and stud big. But that’s just me and my thinking that it’s easier to teach bigs than guards. To each their own and I respect Your opinion.

[HeatIn5]

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

I think you're being a bit disingenuous about trying to take high ground when your original posts were pretty outlandish:

You can’t build around a guy who gets his lunch taken by Clint Capela and Okongwu every time

He is closer to Rob Williams than Jayson Tatum

Heat get - Scoot, Wendell, Sharpe, #23, 3 future 1sts, future pick swaps

Blazers get - Bam, Duncan

Magic get - Simons

Scoot/Vincent?
Herro/Sharpe
Jimmy/Highsmith
Martin/Jovic
Wendell

With 18,23, Lowrys expiring, Oladipo expiring to play with

That teams closer to a window of championship than this team is.

Did you not see Capela’s rebounding numbers? We literally lost that game and were 3 min away from losing to the bulls.

You can argue we were closer to losing to the Bulls than we ever were to beating the nuggets.

I love This team. Just trying to say there are 2 sides to this argument

[greg4012]

Your description of me in the beginning would be hilarious if you actually knew who I was and what I did For a profession, but I digress.

I think You’re misinterpreting everything I said.

I love bam, and see all of his value. I said He’s closer to Rob than to Tatum, not that he’s Rob.

Can’t argue his struggles against true bigs.

All I said Is that you have to consider making a move. Have a discussion about it. To say “absolutely not, this is our team and we’re sticking with it and running it back” is a bad logic. Always have to improve and have dialogue about improving.

I see Scoot in the pre injury DRose, pre gun Ja, Russ, pre-winning Wade camp. I think Elite scoring guards who have the ability to run teams have more value than elite bigs. Plus the fact that you’d get more assets on top of that makes it a conversation.

Not sure why we can’t just have basketball conversation without telling people to leave the fan base or question intelligence.

This is a forum, if we can’t talk crazy possibilities here, where can we?

Can def argue is "struggles against true bigs". He defended Jokic as well as anyone and routinely holds Embiid to below his averages. Who else does that?

Half the time, Bam's focus is defending the actual source of offense for the team moreso than an individual big matchup. Some of you all probably see no name mcgoo getting some open dunks and think Bam is failing. Snooze.

No but if you want to talk actual basketball, Bam should have another adequate rim defender next to him (Brook Lopez is beyond perfect fit) who can allow Bam to Roam and cover wings and then help into the paint. You’ll see Bams rebound numbers skyrocket if he is able to act more in a help-defense role. You do bam a disservice playing small. It’s contradictory to his strengths

Against Denver I would Have had Bam covering Aaron Gordon, putting Love on Jokic. Love can cover Jokic on perimeter, and Bam helps on those duck-in’s in the post.

So if you’re gonna keep Bam as the focal point, which you missed my entire 2 paragraphs about thinking Bam is a max player in this game and on this team, you need 1 of 2 things -

1. A true #1 scorer. Jimmy should be #2 option, Bam should be #3, and then shooters 4-5. Preferably one that can also initiate offense

2. A stretch big that can defend and hit shots. Preferably one as big or bigger than Bam. A Lopez, JJJ, Siakam type player.

But either way I don’t Discount the package of

Henderson, Simons (flipped for a big), Sharpe, #23, 2-3 future 1sts AND getting off Duncan’s contract

I’d rather have a stud guard and replacement level big (Precious, example) than a replacement level guard and stud big. But that’s just me and my thinking that it’s easier to teach bigs than guards. To each their own and I respect Your opinion.

I'm on board with a 3&D rim protector next to Bam. That'd be nothing but added value that would allow Bam to do more difference making rather than just playing shell coverage for the whole defense. But, that's a really hard luxury to uncover. There are maybe 5 of those guys in the NBA.

Precious kinda sucks unfortunately.

I'd argue that multi-faceted bigs are trending to become one of the most valuable player types in the modern NBA. Just, look at the teams in the conference finals and finals the past few years.

A lot of what you're projecting seems to ignore the realities of a salary cap NBA or the issue of scarcity of player types

[Shewasfly]

Because people have office jobs and enjoy bantering for sport. I never saw reports including the farm with the pick--just Portland's version of Tyler Herro. I'm just not bending over backwards to dismantle a championship contending core for a guy who used to be the consensus #2 pick in the draft and has slid down as time goes on.

Shocking stuff, I know

You mean a core not good enough tied up with several bad contracts with no viable improvements to be made?

Look if Portland is only offering the 3rd pick and mid at best prospects then yeah it’s obviously Heat are laughing and hanging up. But if Portland is desperate and offers some kind of godfather Rudy Gobert type package then absolutely Bam has a price

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Wouldn't Mind watching this in Miami, its like our version of Ja Morant here....

My gawd his handles and athletism!!!

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Again, if you can get him for Bam plus starters and additional future picks, its a no brainer. Or at the very least, something you strongly consider. Too bad it's not true.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Any chance the summer of 2023 is a mirror of the summer of 2022? Miami's FO completely locked in on one player and lets other upgrades just slip through their fingers?

This is the year they actually have to make a move even if they want to run it back. They can't run it back player for player in it's entirety because as of right now only 8 healthy players are on the roster and we are only 3.8 million away from the second apron. We can sign Vincent and Strus with bird rights but be looking at a stupid tax bill this year. We are already 11 million into the tax with a 19 million tax bill to Micky. If they were to sign let's say Vincent to a 10 mil per deal we would be paying like 30 mil in tax LOL. We need shed some salary or bring back multiple players on expiring deals preferably that can help for the 28 million slotted to Duncan and Oladipo. Let's hope that package with multiple picks can get us a few players that are useful. Also keep in mind that any use of the tax payer 6 mil MLE hard caps us to the 2nd apron which I think Micky wants to be anyway.

[greg4012]

Let me preface this by saying I believeeverything having to do with Scoot Henderson is fantasy land talk because it's not happening.

But, it's easy to just see upside and highlights with these prospects. I've been burned by admiration of enough top tier draft prospects to sober up to some extent. I recommend reading this on Scoot to understand some of the questions regarding him as a prospect:

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/how-athletic-is-scoot-henderson

If he can't develop that 3 ball, then his upside trajectory gets iffy.

[Rapaz]

After watching those highlights, if we (Portland) trade Scoot Henderson for Bam Adebayo, I will riot.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The 18th pick makes roughly 3 million dollars. Fortunately for us we have 3.8 million worth of wiggle room currently to slot it in lol. Unless someone is willing to eat Duncan's salary for the chance at moving up we should be drafting Strus or Vincent's replacement at such a low cost.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Riley talked about needing to hit on draft picks but yet has only worked out players who would be major reaches at the 18 slot aside from Klutch's own Nick Smith Jr.. I wonder if they only worked him out because the team interested in moving up has there sight's set on him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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JETT HOWARD

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[IceColdCubano]

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KRIS MURRAY
JETT HOWARD

Added to the workout list

When you see teams that work out more than 25+ guys you better have 3-4 picks in the draft anything above 50 workouts you don't know what you want and have no eye for talent/scouting.
Tells you really there how Miami is really keen on getting the right guys to come in, zero time wasted on fluff workouts.
They also know what they are looking for in terms of fit, and archetype, which makes the list small and concise.