Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season)

Post #1701 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:47 pm

Hal14 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:ATL: Powell for Collins
LAC: Brogdon for Powell
BOS: Collins for Brogdon

As a basis. Add minor pieces/picks as needed.

Not bad. But who starts at PF for the hawks?

They now have a big logjam at wing (they already had a wing longjam since AJ Griffin, their top 20 pick from last season who was playing well for them, fell out of the rotation once they traded for Bey) and now you compound that logjam by adding Powell..

Bey and Johnson would be my PFs. I did think about Powell cutting into Griffins time, but he either earns time or doesn't.

EDIT: It's also not really a logjam if they're all kinda mediocre.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1702 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:49 pm

leper-con wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
leper-con wrote:Kuzma! Kuzma!

Kuzma! Kuzma!

He's a FA and we have no cap space to sign him.

Can't we sing and trade him and Grant

While Cs fans overvalue Grant, he can be had for a song.

ddb · Post #1703 » by **ddb** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:50 pm

leper-con wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
leper-con wrote:Kuzma! Kuzma!

Kuzma! Kuzma!

He's a FA and we have no cap space to sign him.

Can't we sing and trade him and Grant

They won't want Grant. Wizards are entering into a full-on rebuild. They would want 1-year deals and draft compensation. Something like this could work in a S&T.

Kuzma (S&T) 4 years 60 Million for Pritchard, Gallo, Muscala, lottery protected future 1st.

Celts could then look to make other moves. Maybe Grant S&T plus #35 to Pistons for Stewart

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Kuzma-Timelord
White-Brogdon-Hauser-Stewart-Horford

That's an expensive roster, but a title favorite

chrisab123 · Post #1704 » by **chrisab123** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:50 pm

Every freaking year the board wishcasts Tyreke Evan...I mean Collins to the Celtics. I mean its not terrible since he is a 34% 3 point shooter I believe. But the guy is as good of a defender as a parking cone. I know defense doesn't matter to this team anymore (which is why they lost) but the ability to switch on players was the strength of this team until the playoffs.

Post #1705 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:50 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
leper-con wrote:
Hal14 wrote:He's a FA and we have no cap space to sign him.

Can't we sing and trade him and Grant

While Cs fans overvalue Grant, he can be had for a song.

What is the Batman theme song?

zoyathedestroya · Post #1706 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 pm

What if the reason why Brogdon is rumored to be on the move is because owners are trying to get under the tax again (very doable). Reset repeater tax clock before JB’s extension (then JT’s extension year after) hits.

chrisab123 · Post #1707 » by **chrisab123** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
leper-con wrote:
Hal14 wrote:He's a FA and we have no cap space to sign him.

Can't we sing and trade him and Grant

While Cs fans overvalue Grant, he can be had for a song.

Its not the fans. Its management. The same people who view Marcus Smart as essential when he has never won a title. I wouldn't be shocked if Brad tried bringing Semi back too. Just because you're jacked out of your mind doesn't mean you're good at basketball

Post #1708 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:54 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:What if the reason why Brogdon is rumored to be on the move is because owners are trying to get under the tax again (very doable). Reset repeater tax clock before JB’s extension (then JT’s extension year after) hits.

Plus, we don't even have to worry until the Tatum one hits!
I've been assured we can trade JB on a supermax for far more than he would fetch now.

Celts17Pride · Post #1709 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:55 pm

chrisab123 wrote:But the guy (Collins) is as good of a defender as a parking cone.

which is 50-75% better than Brogdon.

Brogdon had two defensive moves in the playoffs

1. Watch his guy dribble right past him.
2. Watch the ball and let his guy get open for a layup or open shot.

CelticsPride18 · Post #1710 » by **CelticsPride18** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:55 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
ddb wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Would y'all do a straight Brogs for Collins swap?

Atl gets the better player, but Cs get someone at a position of need.

Yep I'd do that all day long

Other than the fact that Atlanta doesn't need Brogdon, doesn't want Brogdon, this deal is...

Collins contract is a probably a negative asset

ddb · Post #1711 » by **ddb** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:57 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
ddb wrote:
Yep I'd do that all day long

Other than the fact that Atlanta doesn't need Brogdon, doesn't want Brogdon, this deal is...

Collins contract is a probably a negative asset

Very true

Celts17Pride · Post #1712 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:59 pm

Read on Twitter

Getting a lot of wisdom two days before the draft. :wink:

zoyathedestroya · Post #1713 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:01 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
leper-con wrote:

Can't we sing and trade him and Grant

While Cs fans overvalue Grant, he can be had for a song.

Its not the fans. Its management. The same people who view Marcus Smart as essential when he has never won a title. I wouldn't be shocked if Brad tried bringing Semi back too. Just because you're jacked out of your mind doesn't mean you're good at basketball

I sense a lot of angst in this post.

No one on our roster has won a title hehe.

playa-hater · Post #1714 » by **playa-hater** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:08 pm

The only thing worse than a fake rumor is no rumor at all...

Someone do something...

Celts17Pride · Post #1715 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:14 pm

playa-hater wrote:The only thing worse than a fake rumor is no rumor at all...

Someone do something...

No rumors with Brad Stevens.

playa-hater · Post #1716 » by **playa-hater** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:14 pm

I wonder how many players boston cannot even consider trading for just because we plan on maxing brown to near three hundred million dollars..

Good thing we didn't throw away money at a coach.. Oh wait..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1717 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:19 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:The only thing worse than a fake rumor is no rumor at all...

Someone do something...

No rumors with Brad Stevens.

I made up a fake-insider Vucevic rumor one year just to see if anyone would believe me :lol:

Celts17Pride · Post #1718 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:22 pm

If Brogdon stays, trading Pritchard, #35 to Memphis for #25 seems like it might makes some sense to both teams.

Post #1719 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:23 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:The only thing worse than a fake rumor is no rumor at all...

Someone do something...

No rumors with Brad Stevens.

I made up a fake-insider Vucevic rumor one year just to see if anyone would believe me

31to6 still does. :wink:

zoyathedestroya · Post #1720 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:26 pm

If Portland wants veteran help, Muscala for the #3 pick makes a ton of sense.

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