Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[guest81]

Kat for ja straight up

[Slim Tubby]

I mentioned yesterday that ORL might be a good spot for Towns, but CHA might be even better. They are horrible at three point shooting (27th 3PM, 29th 3P%), and may have the worst starting front court in the NBA with Mark Williams and PJ Washington. Their back ups? JT Thor and Nick Richards. Awful. They also have salary matching with Gordon Hayward.

I know we alway focus on POR and Dame, but the Hornets aren’t a closed book either.

I agree with your assessment with CHA being an ideal trading partner. I wonder how the recent change of ownership might affect them operationally while they get organized. Hayward, #2 and 2024 (Top 3) would get it done for me, personally, and I really like KAT despite his shortcomings.

[minimus]

I mentioned yesterday that ORL might be a good spot for Towns, but CHA might be even better. They are horrible at three point shooting (27th 3PM, 29th 3P%), and may have the worst starting front court in the NBA with Mark Williams and PJ Washington. Their back ups? JT Thor and Nick Richards. Awful. They also have salary matching with Gordon Hayward.

I know we alway focus on POR and Dame, but the Hornets aren’t a closed book either.

Read on Twitter

I feel like Towns is a much better fit in ORL than Ayton

[Slim Tubby]

I mentioned yesterday that ORL might be a good spot for Towns, but CHA might be even better. They are horrible at three point shooting (27th 3PM, 29th 3P%), and may have the worst starting front court in the NBA with Mark Williams and PJ Washington. Their back ups? JT Thor and Nick Richards. Awful. They also have salary matching with Gordon Hayward.

I know we alway focus on POR and Dame, but the Hornets aren’t a closed book either.

Read on Twitter

I feel like Towns is a much better fit in ORL than Ayton

If PHO can really get quality fill-in players like that for Ayton, it will completely justify going all in on that Beal contract.

[shrink]

I mentioned yesterday that ORL might be a good spot for Towns, but CHA might be even better. They are horrible at three point shooting (27th 3PM, 29th 3P%), and may have the worst starting front court in the NBA with Mark Williams and PJ Washington. Their back ups? JT Thor and Nick Richards. Awful. They also have salary matching with Gordon Hayward.

I know we alway focus on POR and Dame, but the Hornets aren’t a closed book either.

Read on Twitter

I feel like Towns is a much better fit in ORL than Ayton

I agree, and I’m not surprised this was posted from a Suns fan.

ORL really likes Fultz, and claim he had kind of a break out year, and I suspect they value WCJ more than Ayton too.

[TimberKat]

If you think Gobert and Towns were garbage to start with, what's the point of any discussion? I trade both of them to Orlando for Sugg + 3 seconds to unload their contract. Nevermind any other reason.

[YourBuddy]

That’s same account suggested a 3 team trade where the Wolves get Ayton, Collins, and Bogdonivc and #15, the Suns get KAT and the Hawks get Gobert and McDaniels. They might as well be trolling.

[Klomp]

KAT for Zion, who says no?

[SO_MONEY]

KAT for Zion, who says no?

I am assuming MN.

I really want to trade KAT, but if it is for Zion, no thanks.

[shrink]

I was listening to the NBA Front Office Show podcast, and they reported that today the Vegas odds over who goes #2 dramatically shifted towards Scoot. This usually only happens when someone knows something, like the odds on Banchero going #1 over Jabari walker last year changed drastically on draft day

Could mean CHA is drafting him, but it also could mean a Scoot trade is in the works!

[MN7725]

I mentioned yesterday that ORL might be a good spot for Towns, but CHA might be even better. They are horrible at three point shooting (27th 3PM, 29th 3P%), and may have the worst starting front court in the NBA with Mark Williams and PJ Washington. Their back ups? JT Thor and Nick Richards. Awful. They also have salary matching with Gordon Hayward.

I know we alway focus on POR and Dame, but the Hornets aren’t a closed book either.

Read on Twitter

I feel like Towns is a much better fit in ORL than Ayton

WCJ is good, I don't see why ORL would put in for a C, even if its an upgrade
Just get the best possible guard or playmaking wing (like the Wolves should have done)

[MN7725]

KAT for Zion, who says no?

I am assuming MN.

I really want to trade KAT, but if it is for Zion, no thanks.

because of the health concerns or the immaturity in general?

he was getting to be flat out unstoppable, not that far off from Jokic, Curry, Giannis, etc level offensively

[SO_MONEY]

KAT for Zion, who says no?

I am assuming MN.

I really want to trade KAT, but if it is for Zion, no thanks.

because of the health concerns or the immaturity in general?

he was getting to be flat out unstoppable, not that far off from Jokic, Curry, Giannis, etc level offensively

I think health, maturity and the fact he is eating himself out of the NBA are all probably linked.

But you can't count on him and when you compare that to KAT, well that is saying something.

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

[Klomp]

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

[MN7725]

I am assuming MN.

I really want to trade KAT, but if it is for Zion, no thanks.

because of the health concerns or the immaturity in general?

he was getting to be flat out unstoppable, not that far off from Jokic, Curry, Giannis, etc level offensively

I think health, maturity and the fact he is eating himself out of the NBA are all probably linked.

But you can't count on him and when you compare that to KAT, well that is saying something.

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

I don't think his contract really had much team protections in it, there was a weight clause but that was only if he was straight up waived

he is one of those truly unstoppable players though, the kind that can win multiple series

maybe a team can talk themselves into that its more likely that Zion gets his head straight vs. some draft pick outside of Victor W truly panning out, idk

[Slim Tubby]

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

Push come to shove, I'd rather roll the dice on the Round Mound of Hoe Town than a collection mediocre picks and salary fillers. It should be an interesting couple of days in the NBA.

[SO_MONEY]

If you even consider this, better do your homework.

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

Push come to shove, I'd rather roll the dice on the Round Mound of Hoe Town than a collection mediocre picks and salary fillers. It should be an interesting couple of days in the NBA.

Well, I don't think we would trade Towns for mediocre picks and filler, so I don't think it is a choice between the two, it is the difference between safer high end young talent and picks and a human question mark that has the talent to be a legitimate super-star.

[Baseline81]

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

I cannot stress this enough. If the Pelicans are trying to trade Williamson, that says it all. It would behoove this organization to stay clear.

[Slim Tubby]

It's risky no doubt. But it fills a number of categories...

-Line up with the younger timeline.
-But yet not taking a huge step back since you don't own all of your draft capital.
-Not exactly reverting to small ball, so Connelly's vision stays intact.
-Money is similar this next season, but doesn't spike after next...essentially could probably pay both Zion and Naz combined for what Towns will make.
-Add a box office superstar. Ticket and jersey sales would skyrocket.
-On-court talent has never been questioned.
-Ant and Zion would be a highlight factory, tons of national games.

Push come to shove, I'd rather roll the dice on the Round Mound of Hoe Town than a collection mediocre picks and salary fillers. It should be an interesting couple of days in the NBA.

Well, I don't think we would trade Towns for mediocre picks and filler, so I don't think it is a choice between the two, it is the difference between safer high end young talent and picks and a human question mark that has the talent to be a legitimate super-star.

I certainly haven't been impressed by some of the mock proposals that we've seen on these boards. I know this for certain...KAT is one of the top 15-20 talents in the NBA and getting equal/better compensation might be close to impossible at this time.

Trade proposals are difficult to comprise for three (3) reasons:

1. We always inherently overvalue our own players and picks

2. We always inherently undervalue the players on other teams

3. We always want to "win" the trade we are proposing

I seriously doubt there is a trade available right now that is worth parting with the skill set of KAT.

Keep in mind...we lost to LA at their place in OT after going cold in the 4th with a recuperating KAT and no McDaniels or Reid. That LA team lost in the WCF's to a team that we had more success against than they did in the playoffs.

I personally think we're closer than some on here believe.

[SO_MONEY]

Push come to shove, I'd rather roll the dice on the Round Mound of Hoe Town than a collection mediocre picks and salary fillers. It should be an interesting couple of days in the NBA.

Well, I don't think we would trade Towns for mediocre picks and filler, so I don't think it is a choice between the two, it is the difference between safer high end young talent and picks and a human question mark that has the talent to be a legitimate super-star.

I certainly haven't been impressed by some of the mock proposals that we've seen on these boards. I know this for certain...KAT is one of the top 15-20 talents in the NBA and getting equal/better compensation might be close to impossible at this time.

Trade proposals are difficult to comprise for three (3) reasons:

1. We always inherently overvalue our own players and picks

2. We always inherently undervalue the players on other teams

3. We always want to "win" the trade we are proposing

I seriously doubt there is a trade available right now that is worth parting with the skill set of KAT.

Keep in mind...we lost to LA at their place in OT after going cold in the 4th with a recuperating KAT and no McDaniels or Reid. That LA team lost in the WCF's to a team that we had more success against than they did in the playoffs.

I personally think we're closer than some on here believe.

I think there are wide ranges of valuation and it isn't even consistent. Take your post for instance, you are pessimistic on trade value, but optimistic on the group of players There is no rhyme or reason in how things are viewed and it is all situational. I think a ton of people might change their minds and then change them back in the course of 5 minutes.