Marc Stein/Bleacher Report: PG13 Trade Offers Being Considered

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Well, that changes things.

[Sofia]

Do it

[MartinToVaught]

I sincerely hope we can get a trade done and turn the page to a new chapter. The Kawhi/PG era has been a failed experiment for so many reasons: health, age, consistency, you name it. We've given them more than enough years together to prove that they can make it work. Time's up. The fans deserve better than the product we had to sit through this year.

As much as I've ripped the FO recently - and deservedly so, because they've made some very poor decisions - I will give them all the credit in the world if they finally accept reality and start the rebuild. We have a golden opportunity here with Scoot available at #3 (since the Hornets have already settled on Miller at #2). Honestly, I'd start listening to trade offers on Kawhi too. Let's get some young talent in here who will actually play the games and give us something to be excited about.

[Bobbymcgee]

George to Portland for a package based around the third pick and Simon's works for me.

Trade Leonard too please for more youth. Maybe to Miami for a package of Herro, draft picks and other young players? Not sure what Leonard's value is but Miami seems desperate for another star.

Wouldn't mind seeing the other vets traded too in order to expedite a rebuild.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect.

I know we’re all frustrated with Kawhi and his injuries, but he is still a top notch player when healthy. Players like that aren’t easy to acquire.

I know a rebuild is eventually in order, but it is tough because these 2 guys were the first high profile players to select the clippers since Bill Walton. Seems wrong in some ways to just kick them to the curb

[Captain Ballmer]

George to Portland for a package based around the third pick and Simon's works for me.

HELL YEAH

[esqtvd]

If only someone could call up Kawhi--or his agent, or his Uncle Dennis, or his dentist or his gardener--and ask him to ask him what he thinks of all this.

But Kawhi is not a normal person. This org is completely dysfunctional and Kawhi and PG hold it hostage. They both can opt out next summer and leave Ballmer with nothing but his d*ick in his hand.

[MartinToVaught]

I know we’re all frustrated with Kawhi and his injuries, but he is still a top notch player when healthy. Players like that aren’t easy to acquire.

"When healthy" - for, like, five minutes per season at this point. He was load managed to a ridiculous degree this year, after missing the entire previous season, and still couldn't make it through a single playoff game without breaking down. It's not going to get any better as he gets older.

I know a rebuild is eventually in order, but it is tough because these 2 guys were the first high profile players to select the clippers since Bill Walton. Seems wrong in some ways to just kick them to the curb

Kawhi forced us to gut our whole future in one of the worst trades in NBA history. PG has spent his whole tenure here making the FO sign all his friends while rarely living up to his own contract, and sat out an elimination game with vague "soreness" after making a big show of how he wasn't going to quit. The on-court results have been a flop compared to what we were all expecting when we acquired them. I mean, I'm grateful for finally getting over the second-round hump, but we were talking rings (plural), not one WCF appearance.

I'd have more sympathy for them if they had ever considered what's best for the franchise and fans and not just themselves. The way the Blake trade went down was a legitimately bad look, this wouldn't be on the same level as that.

[donemilio21]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

[MartinToVaught]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

You're leaving out some extremely important context there: Moon is almost a full decade older than Scoot.

[wakelaunch1]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

You're leaving out some extremely important context there: Moon is almost a full decade older than Scoot.

If if he isnt the best player ever, this team needs something different. Its a vibe thing. Kawhi and PG are both neither leaders and they are both constantly hurt. Those cant be the best two players on the team.

I like the Scoot trade. I also like Dame to the Clips, PG to the Knicks, and a bunch of knicks assets Portland. Portland gets the young rebuild, we get a different star whos a point guard and a leader, and the Knicks get a severe upgrade with PG playing Beta to Brunson. It makes a lot of sense.

[esqtvd]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

scoot can't shoot

red flag

[Clemenza]

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

You're leaving out some extremely important context there: Moon is almost a full decade older than Scoot.

If if he isnt the best player ever, this team needs something different. Its a vibe thing. Kawhi and PG are both neither leaders and they are both constantly hurt. Those cant be the best two players on the team.

I like the Scoot trade. I also like Dame to the Clips, PG to the Knicks, and a bunch of knicks assets Portland. Portland gets the young rebuild, we get a different star whos a point guard and a leader, and the Knicks get a severe upgrade with PG playing Beta to Brunson. It makes a lot of sense.

Pass on Dame and his incoming $60 million a year contract. Hate to see PG leave but if the #3 pick is on the table or something similar the team has to make this move. If not then its opening the new arena up in 2024 with load management on steroids and an uninspired team with no leadership nor a face for the franchise

[Ballings7]

I really like PG as a player and a person and don’t want him to be traded unless a great deal comes along. Of course you have to consider the Portland trade- I’ve never seen Scoot Henderson play, but apparently he is a can’t miss prospect

That part is probably overhyped. He is 65th is PPG in G-League. 16.5p, 6.8a, 5.3r and 27.5% 3P% in 19 games.
In comparison Xavier Moon had 22/6/4.1 line while shooting 42% from 3 in 29 games.
He wasn't even best player on his own G-league team. Lots of question marks IMO.

scoot can't shoot

red flag

Only seen highlights of Scoot - but the report on him is he isn't a threat from 3P yet, but has a reliable mid-range jumper.. thats something to work with to be a triple-threat scorer and decent shooter in time.

I'd definitely be intrigued if the Clips got Scoot somehow.

[Roscoe Sheed]

If only someone could call up Kawhi--or his agent, or his Uncle Dennis, or his dentist or his gardener--and ask him to ask him what he thinks of all this.

But Kawhi is not a normal person. This org is completely dysfunctional and Kawhi and PG hold it hostage. They both can opt out next summer and leave Ballmer with nothing but his d*ick in his hand.

how do we as fans know that they aren't in constant communication with Kawhi?

Not everything is publicized and that is probably for the better.

[esqtvd]

If only someone could call up Kawhi--or his agent, or his Uncle Dennis, or his dentist or his gardener--and ask him to ask him what he thinks of all this.

But Kawhi is not a normal person. This org is completely dysfunctional and Kawhi and PG hold it hostage. They both can opt out next summer and leave Ballmer with nothing but his d*ick in his hand.

how do we as fans know that they aren't in constant communication with Kawhi?

Not everything is publicized and that is probably for the better.

I'd like to think you're right but from Day One, Kawhi has always kept them in suspense. Ty gets informed about 3 PM if Kawhi's even playing that night. He apparently left one game at halftime without telling Coach.

I see no indication Ballmer has a plan besides waiting to see what happens. Dumping Morris's $17M for ANYTHING was a priority but beyond that, I'm not sure Ballmer even knows. Brogdon is a half-step: 2 more years @ $22M for yet another gimpy 30+ year old is not a direction.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Brogdon is a very good guard. Great shooter, solid defender. Just a notch below all star talent. The only down side is the injury history. I like the trade- except for perhaps the 30th pick. Otherwise, what's not to like? Morris was the worst rotation player in the NBA last season and Coffey hardly played and showed regression when he did

[nickhx2]

Brogdon is a very good guard. Great shooter, solid defender. Just a notch below all star talent. The only down side is the injury history. I like the trade- except for perhaps the 30th pick. Otherwise, what's not to like? Morris was the worst rotation player in the NBA last season and Coffey hardly played and showed regression when he did

yeah we can't hate the move at all, if it comes to fruition. still, i would very much hope westbrook is coming back to pair with him. or that they plan to snag cp3 once wiz buy him out. just any one guy alone isn't gonna be enough.

[esqtvd]

Brogdon is a very good guard. Great shooter, solid defender. Just a notch below all star talent. The only down side is the injury history. I like the trade- except for perhaps the 30th pick. Otherwise, what's not to like? Morris was the worst rotation player in the NBA last season and Coffey hardly played and showed regression when he did

Clippers per 100 possessions

16 Norman Powell -3.7
17 Jason Preston -4.2
18 Moussa Diabate -5.3
19 John Wall-6.6
20 Brandon Boston-8.3
21 Amir Coffey-8.6

Nobody else was lower than -1.0


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[Roscoe Sheed]

Brogdon is a very good guard. Great shooter, solid defender. Just a notch below all star talent. The only down side is the injury history. I like the trade- except for perhaps the 30th pick. Otherwise, what's not to like? Morris was the worst rotation player in the NBA last season and Coffey hardly played and showed regression when he did

Clippers per 100 possessions

16 Norman Powell -3.7
17 Jason Preston -4.2
18 Moussa Diabate -5.3
19 John Wall-6.6
20 Brandon Boston-8.3
21 Amir Coffey-8.6

Nobody else was lower than -1.0


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

These numbers are misleading- after the first 10 games Powell was outstanding.

Morris meanwhile couldn’t guard a chair and couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean