Just Run It Back

[JaMarco]

JB has leverage.

He can tell the Cs to give him the supermax or he'll leave in FA in the summer of 2024.

He can tell them that but if I'm the Cs I call his bluff. How does just leaving the Cs out of spite in 2024 improve his situation? He still wouldn't have the supermax and would still have a smaller contract than what the Cs offered. And he'd probably be on a worse team than if he stayed in Boston.

He's really just not good enough to play the "overpay me or I'm leaving" card. Tatum could do that because he's legitimately a top 10 player in the NBA that you can't replace with any other available player. But Brown? He's a back half of top 20 player at best. There are multiple guys that are available that can more or less replace what be brings. He's not good enough or irreplaceable enough for a leaving in 2024 FA threat to force the Cs into giving him the full supermax.

he's definitely nowhere near a top 20 player but that's neither here nor there. He doesn't need to threaten to leave via FA. If the Celtics chose not to extend him it means they're fine with losing him for nothing after the season but would hope to win the championship before he leaves. This is an option people aren't talking about.

IDK if it means they're "fine" with that, more that they are willing to call Brown's bluff that he will risk turning down a huge extension, leave money on the table, move his life where he's been for almost a decade, and go to a worse team just to spite the Celtics for not giving him the full supermax.

[chrisab123]

If the core on opening night is Smart Brown and Tatum they have zero shot of winning a title. Unless if Smart somehow becomes an all star player that doesn't take the final shot

[Duke4life831]

Yeah, there's no easy answer to this.

But if it's 51% to 49%, Cs run it back because the Cs will have more control of their destiny if they give JB the supermax.

As long as JB doesn't regress, there will be teams out there desperate enough to offer a lot for a supermax signed JB next year.

Still, I don't think JB is worth the supermax.

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

Just to add onto this. There is another thing that will most likely come with the new CBA. Not just harder for teams to keep their teams together, but I think it will be harder to trade these big contracts as well.

I think teams are going to be much more picky when it comes to what stars they want taking up the cap. And with the penalties for hitting that 2nd apron probably going to keep any team from willing to hit it. I just think teams will look much longer at willing to trade for a guy that is taking up 35% of the cap. And if that guy isnt one of those true elite players, Im not sure there will be too many teams lining up to trade for him.

Just wanted to bump this because I think we just saw the kind of value non elite players on supermax are getting on the trade market. Dont get me wrong, ya I think Brown will have higher value than Beal. But non top 5-10 players taking up 35% of your cap in the new CBA wont have much trade value.

Again I totally get its not a 1:1 comp between Brown and Beal. Beal is going to be 30 and has been banged up lately. But the Wiz essentially just got back a buyout Shamet, a couple 2nds and a buyout CP3. I think Brown will have more value. I just dont think there is going to be big markets for non elite guys taking up 35% of the cap in the new CBA.

[JaMarco]

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

Just to add onto this. There is another thing that will most likely come with the new CBA. Not just harder for teams to keep their teams together, but I think it will be harder to trade these big contracts as well.

I think teams are going to be much more picky when it comes to what stars they want taking up the cap. And with the penalties for hitting that 2nd apron probably going to keep any team from willing to hit it. I just think teams will look much longer at willing to trade for a guy that is taking up 35% of the cap. And if that guy isnt one of those true elite players, Im not sure there will be too many teams lining up to trade for him.

Just wanted to bump this because I think we just saw the kind of value non elite players on supermax are getting on the trade market. Dont get me wrong, ya I think Brown will have higher value than Beal. But non top 5-10 players taking up 35% of your cap in the new CBA wont have much trade value.

Again I totally get its not a 1:1 comp between Brown and Beal. Beal is going to be 30 and has been banged up lately. But the Wiz essentially just got back a buyout Shamet, a couple 2nds and a buyout CP3. I think Brown will have more value. I just dont think there is going to be big markets for non elite guys taking up 35% of the cap in the new CBA.

Then...don't trade him.

[Parliament10]

If you think he’s not worth it, then why pay him that. It doesn’t matter if he improves a little, which i doubt, no teams would want that kind of contract. If it was 60M per year for 4, and team option after 3, then i’d gamble. That kind of money will keep a franchise hostage. That’s superstar money.

Just to add onto this. There is another thing that will most likely come with the new CBA. Not just harder for teams to keep their teams together, but I think it will be harder to trade these big contracts as well.

I think teams are going to be much more picky when it comes to what stars they want taking up the cap. And with the penalties for hitting that 2nd apron probably going to keep any team from willing to hit it. I just think teams will look much longer at willing to trade for a guy that is taking up 35% of the cap. And if that guy isnt one of those true elite players, Im not sure there will be too many teams lining up to trade for him.

Just wanted to bump this because I think we just saw the kind of value non elite players on supermax are getting on the trade market. Dont get me wrong, ya I think Brown will have higher value than Beal. But non top 5-10 players taking up 35% of your cap in the new CBA wont have much trade value.

Again I totally get its not a 1:1 comp between Brown and Beal. Beal is going to be 30 and has been banged up lately. But the Wiz essentially just got back a buyout Shamet, a couple 2nds and a buyout CP3. I think Brown will have more value. I just dont think there is going to be big markets for non elite guys taking up 35% of the cap in the new CBA.

I don't think that Brown will get 35%. I believe the minimum is 30%? I think that he'll be closer to that.

[Parliament10]

If the core on opening night is Smart Brown and Tatum they have zero shot of winning a title. Unless if Smart somehow becomes an all star player that doesn't take the final shot

I disagree. I think that this Core has done a lot together. I'm not so sure that Smart should be the Starting PG, though.
But, they need to get over the Hump. 5 ECF in 7 years. Time for a Ring.

[Duke4life831]

Just to add onto this. There is another thing that will most likely come with the new CBA. Not just harder for teams to keep their teams together, but I think it will be harder to trade these big contracts as well.

I think teams are going to be much more picky when it comes to what stars they want taking up the cap. And with the penalties for hitting that 2nd apron probably going to keep any team from willing to hit it. I just think teams will look much longer at willing to trade for a guy that is taking up 35% of the cap. And if that guy isnt one of those true elite players, Im not sure there will be too many teams lining up to trade for him.

Just wanted to bump this because I think we just saw the kind of value non elite players on supermax are getting on the trade market. Dont get me wrong, ya I think Brown will have higher value than Beal. But non top 5-10 players taking up 35% of your cap in the new CBA wont have much trade value.

Again I totally get its not a 1:1 comp between Brown and Beal. Beal is going to be 30 and has been banged up lately. But the Wiz essentially just got back a buyout Shamet, a couple 2nds and a buyout CP3. I think Brown will have more value. I just dont think there is going to be big markets for non elite guys taking up 35% of the cap in the new CBA.

I don't think that Brown will get 35%. I believe the minimum is 30%? I think that he'll be closer to that.

I dont know if it has changed, but I know 30% was the basic max for someone who has 7-9 years in the league. So Jaylen on a normal vet max no doubt will have better value than him at the supermax level.

[Marvel]

JB aint worth the supermax and honestly i wish he was. That would make the situation much easier obviously but not only is he not worth the supermax but he's not a good fit next to Tatum or rather, he's not the ideal fit next to Tatum to take us to a championship.

[Fierce1]

The next 2 weeks will be critical for the Cs.

So far Cs only said they want to extend JB.

But they haven't said they're giving JB the max.

Maybe the Cs are hoping JB accepts 250m and if not, they will say they can't come to terms with JB so they will have to trade him instead.

[FlyBono]

Lmao!
Running it back will be the end of this group via free agency
No way Tatum stays with the way this Team is constituted

If Lilliard ends up in Miami that is a game changer
Beal traded for peanuts

Move Smart Brown and RWilliams if the deals make sense

Floor general a better wing a better inside presence

[Triple7]

JB aint worth the supermax and honestly i wish he was. That would make the situation much easier obviously but not only is he not worth the supermax but he's not a good fit next to Tatum or rather, he's not the ideal fit next to Tatum to take us to a championship.

Exactly! Posters here are just too emotionally attached to players. Trading JB should be a no brainer!
No team would want to pay 60M to Jaylen Brown. That’s just crazy money. With the supermax kicking in after next season, we need to gut this team, to be able to sign JT to a supermax as well. JT would probably bolt? And leave us with untradeable clumsy hands as our main player. Makes me want to throw up thinking that. Just trade him period.

[Roger Federer]

Signing JB to the supermax would not only make him the single worst contract in the NBA but would also ensure this franchise will not be winning a championship for the remainder of the 2020s.

[Triple7]

Signing JB to the supermax would not only make him the single worst contract in the NBA but would also ensure this franchise will not be winning a championship for the remainder of the 2020s.

Stevens and the Celtics would be the laughing stock of the league. Push us back almost a decade.

[zoyathedestroya]

The White-JB-JT-Grant-Rob lineup had an offensive rating of 163.6 and defensive rating of 40.0. We have our new starting lineup for next season.

[chrisab123]

The next 2 weeks will be critical for the Cs.

So far Cs only said they want to extend JB.

But they haven't said they're giving JB the max.

Maybe the Cs are hoping JB accepts 250m and if not, they will say they can't come to terms with JB so they will have to trade him instead.

I think if he's offered a penny under the super max he's gone. Call it the Boston tax or whatever. But people don't want to be here. Its not that big of a destination, we've already talked about the taxes, nightlife, weather, endorsements etc that players get elsewhere. This is a guy who feeds off disrespect. Being under that supermax would qualify as that to Jaylen.

So do you bite the bullet, sign him, knowing that there's an excellent chance he's asking for a trade next July anyways or do you trade him for 70 cents on the dollar and risk Tatum asking out? Hawks are looking to shake it up and Miami is looking for another star...very risky this offseason to piss Brown off.

Houston is lurking too.

[BostonCouchGM]

don't we have to extend JB prior to the draft if we want to be able to trade him before next year's draft since you have to wait a year before you can trade super max deals? It'd be really stupid of them to wait until after the draft to do this if that's the case because it limits the packages we could receive next Summer if we chose to trade him since the 2024 draft would be out of the equation.

[zoyathedestroya]

don't we have to extend JB prior to the draft if we want to be able to trade him before next year's draft since you have to wait a year before you can trade super max deals? It'd be really stupid of them to wait until after the draft to do this if that's the case because it limits the packages we could receive next Summer if we chose to trade him since the 2024 draft would be out of the equation.

July 1 is the earliest Celtics can offer the extension. They can trade him six months after signing. AFAIK.

EDIT: If JB doesn’t want to be traded this season, he can sign mid-August or later.

[Fierce1]

Brad needs to settle this ASAP!

A pissed of JB will be bad for the team.

[zoyathedestroya]

don't we have to extend JB prior to the draft if we want to be able to trade him before next year's draft since you have to wait a year before you can trade super max deals? It'd be really stupid of them to wait until after the draft to do this if that's the case because it limits the packages we could receive next Summer if we chose to trade him since the 2024 draft would be out of the equation.

July 1 is the earliest Celtics can offer the extension. They can trade him six months after signing. AFAIK.

EDIT: If JB doesn’t want to be traded this season, he can sign mid-August or later.

I stand corrected. It is one year after contract extension is signed (unless it’s changed in the new CBA).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

[fallguy]

Just run it back?

NO.