2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[axl_c_cool]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

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[drsd]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

From a talent perspective, this is a good trade for Orlando. But he Magic would need to ship Carter off either in this deal or in another linked deal. These sorts of consolidations trades are very much in the realm of what Orlando needs to take its next step up on the competitive ladder.

(( I could throw out ideas to get better at the SG slot. But that's not the point. The point is the Magic need to turn their assets into a core of players )).

[Skybox]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

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I wouldn't chase Ayton, but for this low low price, absolutely...he's had some bad moments, but still huge upside...and I love WCJ backing up 4/5...situationally, we could be huge. Given this big man depth, I'd move or waive Isaac and get to work on a legit shooting backcourt player(s).

[basketballRob]

I really dislike Ayton.

Chris Paul could end up a free agent if he gets waived.

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[jezzerinho]

I don't see Ayton moving the needle.

Vet, playoff-tested pnr guard and/or 3-level offensive scoring machine seem the two most interesting profiles for us to make a jump.

PG13 is being punted. I know the age and injury profile doesnt mesh well with us, but George is one of those rare elite players with virtually no deficiencies on-court.

Hed be a really interesting option with 2 yrs left on his deal, so not clashing hugely with young guys contract timeline.

Would be v expensive tho.

[fendilim]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

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the amount of salary ayton is owed is the problem not being an upgrade over WCJ.

[tiderulz]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

From a talent perspective, this is a good trade for Orlando. But he Magic would need to ship Carter off either in this deal or in another linked deal. These sorts of consolidations trades are very much in the realm of what Orlando needs to take its next step up on the competitive ladder.

(( I could throw out ideas to get better at the SG slot. But that's not the point. The point is the Magic need to turn their assets into a core of players )).

I am not calling for an Ayton trade at all. But why would Carter need to be shipped off? i would rather have that be a strength of the team. and Carter's salary easily lets us keep him. especially if you are talking about moving up the competitive ladder.

[basketballRob]

I truly believe that Ayton doesn't impact winning more than Carter. Who would rather have in the last 3 minutes of a grueling 7 game series? Ayton seems like he'd mentality fold.

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[JoshuaPotter]

NBA draft has us taking Black at 6 and Ausar at 11.

Would walk away happy from that draft.

[jonbob17]

Ayton to Orlando makes sense, if its

Fultz + Harris + Okeke + Bol

They need a PG and depth, Ayton is an upgrade and WCJ can come off the bench at 4 or 5.

Outside of Fultz nothing but fillers

From a talent perspective, this is a good trade for Orlando. But he Magic would need to ship Carter off either in this deal or in another linked deal. These sorts of consolidations trades are very much in the realm of what Orlando needs to take its next step up on the competitive ladder.

(( I could throw out ideas to get better at the SG slot. But that's not the point. The point is the Magic need to turn their assets into a core of players )).

I am not calling for an Ayton trade at all. But why would Carter need to be shipped off? i would rather have that be a strength of the team. and Carter's salary easily lets us keep him. especially if you are talking about moving up the competitive ladder.

I have very little interest in Ayton, but i guess the reason you would move carter is you don't want $46M of your $134M salary cap pointed at the 48 minutes of the center position, a pretty big redundancy, and playing them together limits the amount of skill you can put on the court at one time.

[tiderulz]

From a talent perspective, this is a good trade for Orlando. But he Magic would need to ship Carter off either in this deal or in another linked deal. These sorts of consolidations trades are very much in the realm of what Orlando needs to take its next step up on the competitive ladder.

(( I could throw out ideas to get better at the SG slot. But that's not the point. The point is the Magic need to turn their assets into a core of players )).

I am not calling for an Ayton trade at all. But why would Carter need to be shipped off? i would rather have that be a strength of the team. and Carter's salary easily lets us keep him. especially if you are talking about moving up the competitive ladder.

I have very little interest in Ayton, but i guess the reason you would move carter is you don't want $46M of your $134M salary cap pointed at the 48 minutes of the center position, a pretty big redundancy

well, if you can play WCJ at PF also, then it isnt just at center

[jonbob17]

I am not calling for an Ayton trade at all. But why would Carter need to be shipped off? i would rather have that be a strength of the team. and Carter's salary easily lets us keep him. especially if you are talking about moving up the competitive ladder.

I have very little interest in Ayton, but i guess the reason you would move carter is you don't want $46M of your $134M salary cap pointed at the 48 minutes of the center position, a pretty big redundancy

well, if you can play WCJ at PF also, then it isnt just at center

Then you are wasting two positions on the floor on guys with center skills (which at least theoretically) should be far less than what a forward could give you...also kind of reducing your spacing as well, unless you are just parking WCJ in the corner.

Everyone always says the Magic can go huge and play Franz at the 2 next to two other forwards, and while i believe that is true. It might even be more effective to play Franz at the 4 when Paolo is off the court, next to a center and 3 other perimeter players.

[VFX]

Ayton makes no sense next to Paolo. Carter is a better defender on significantly less money.

I’m not sure where this idea comes from on wanting to spend cap space on the Center position. That’s not largely the issue with this current roster.

If they thought it was of critical importance the FO would just draft Lively instead of spending ridiculous amounts on another C.

You could convince me to move a select number of players for a true point guard depending on how the draft shakes out. Maybe even a shooting guard if they DO actually draft Lively and someone like Bilal. Do some of you really want to be the team that help’s Phoenix with depth while simultaneously taking on an overrated Center?

[jezzerinho]

Ayton makes no sense next to Paolo. Carter is a better defender on significantly less money.

I’m not sure where this idea comes from on wanting to spend cap space on the Center position. That’s not largely the issue with this current roster.

If they thought it was of critical importance the FO would just draft Lively instead of spending ridiculous amounts on another C.

You could convince me to move a select number of players for a true point guard depending on how the draft shakes out. Maybe even a shooting guard if they DO actually draft Lively and someone like Bilal.

The only "center" I'd spend capital on is Porzingis. Even then, you'd struggle to call him a classic center. A 4.5.

[drsd]

NBA draft has us taking Black at 6 and Ausar at 11.

Would walk away happy from that draft.

This is my lowest interest. Orlando has combo-guards that can't shoot. Adding TWO more of these: yuck.

[drsd]

well, if you can play WCJ at PF also, then it isnt just at center

Carter is on record as wanting to be used as a PF, after all!

[JoshuaPotter]

NBA draft has us taking Black at 6 and Ausar at 11.

Would walk away happy from that draft.

This is my lowest interest. Orlando has combo-guards that can't shoot. Adding TWO more of these: yuck.

isn't black considered kinda a point guard?

[jezzerinho]

NBA draft has us taking Black at 6 and Ausar at 11.

Would walk away happy from that draft.

This is my lowest interest. Orlando has combo-guards that can't shoot. Adding TWO more of these: yuck.

isn't black considered kinda a point guard?

If Black was a team he'd probably be the Magic! Long, high IQ, crafty, hard working, team-first, tenacious defence, but doesnt dazzle, not explosive, doesnt take over games, cant shoot consistently.

One thing in his favour. If we start reducing our starting roster to concentrate our minutes in those who show most ability, Black can really give you options at 1-3.

[jonbob17]

Seems like the national media are convinced these desperation move by Phoenix the last 5 months, just starts the clock on Booker wanting out of Phoenix.

Maybe the goal of the Magic should be developing team basketball players with the goal of adding Booker in 2025-26 or the next year. He can come here and be the big dog with a bunch of younger guys that are moving into peak years. Everything built around maximizing the salary cap around 2026-2027.

Allegedly connected to Devos's....We should be in good shape to both acquire a player and attract a player with the quality of our players.

[pepe1991]

Seems like the national media are convinced these desperation move by Phoenix the last 5 months, just starts the clock on Booker wanting out of Phoenix.

Maybe the goal of the Magic should be developing team basketball players with the goal of adding Booker in 2025-26 or the next year. He can come here and be the big dog with a bunch of younger guys that are moving into peak years. Everything built around maximizing the salary cap around 2026-2027.

Allegedly connected to Devos's....We should be in good shape to both acquire a player and attract a player with the quality of our players.

Does somebody who dates Karadashians strikes you as player that goes to Orlando for basketball reasons?