Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time

[KingDavid]

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Yeah on the GB, I couldn't believe that Beal STILL held the NTC. FK that ****. HARD PASS. I do not fault the FO for not getting Beal even if we don't get Dame. Beal wants way more power than he deserves for his level of play. He's not prime Lebron, wtf. No, you will not keep a $57 million contract with an NTC attached to it to hamstring our FO. He can veto trades involving himself even if he thinks the team he's going to is giving up too much for him.

Phx better hope they can get past Denver, because if not, it's gonna SUCK.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We’re his best chance to win, we’re an established team with 2 elite high impact players that fit his game perfectly. The nets are unknown, you have to hope everything breaks perfect to truly build a championship team and even then you don’t know how things may turn out, especially in the playoffs

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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thats so dumb..... never ever pick on "fit" when dealing with nba draft

always pick on the best talent, and if fit is redundant, find out which one is better and trade the other one for proven vet to fit

Imagine if the Heat passed up on Wade because we already had Eddie Jones on the roster Actually, that's what Pat wanted to do. He wanted to draft Chris Kaman for fit. I forget who it was, but someone else convinced him to draft Wade instead

[IceColdCubano]

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Yeah on the GB, I couldn't believe that Beal STILL held the NTC. FK that ****. HARD PASS. I do not fault the FO for not getting Beal even if we don't get Dame. Beal wants way more power than he deserves for his level of play. He's not prime Lebron, wtf. No, you will not keep a $57 million contract with an NTC attached to it to hamstring our FO. He can veto trades involving himself even if he thinks the team he's going to is giving up too much for him.

Phx better hope they can get past Denver, because if not, it's gonna SUCK.

Its gonna suck regardless, its a team made up of nothing but offensive scorers with ok to subpar defense. Unlike the Miami Heat big three which all played both sides of the ball, its gonna be really hard for them unless they can get Dpoy level defenders at the PG & C position. They will win lots of games in the season just because high scoring teams that don't get scouted for or game planned for usually win lots of games. Come playoff, they will lose series were they are the favorites.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Scoot a potential all star as your next franchise piece next to your young guys for a timeline reset for like 15 years or keep Dame for a pie in the sky 3 year timeline to try and build a legit contender (won’t happen)?

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

[AirP.]

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Q: Ira, I used to enjoy when you wrote those “what he said/what he meant” stories after Pat Riley spoke. I remember that going back to Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway. So what is your takeaway from Tuesday? – Leonard.

A: That with the new collective-bargaining agreement, it’s almost as if Pat Riley knows that it no longer is as simple as to go into free agency like a bull in a china shop, not as easy as telling General Manager Andy Elisburg to find a way. Pat’s “there are no obstacles” aggressive demeanor has run into the harsh reality that there are increasing obstacles, ones that cannot be sidestepped. The new CBA is such that the Heat this offseason might not be able to add a single free agent earning more than the minimum, including an inability, because of the new, staggered luxury-tax aprons, to be part of any sign-and-trade transactions, the very means that delivered Jimmy Butler. The new rules are draconian to the degree that we saw Tuesday that they even had Pat Riley taking stock. (For context, Riley’s “obstacles” quote came during his 2019 postseason media session, weeks ahead of finding a way to land Butler in the void of cap space, when he said, “There’s no obstacles. Well, there are tons of them, but there’s none. So we’ll try to get past them if we can to add more to the team, if that’s a possibility.”)

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-ira-no-obstacles-no-100500125.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ask-ira-is-there-s-no-obstacles-no-longer-a-heat-or-pat-riley-mantra/ar-AA1cPBvP

[IceColdCubano]

Scoot a potential all star as your next franchise piece next to your young guys for a timeline reset for like 15 years or keep Dame for a pie in the sky 3 year timeline to try and build a legit contender (won’t happen)?

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

I am already passed the Dame Lillard wishing well hope, I know the team is gonna sit it out until after the draft and continue the hope. Fans are probably already done with it, just look at other pieces and start strengthen your team, its like you just need to add a lil bit more, we aren't needing a Superstar realistically.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Scoot a potential all star as your next franchise piece next to your young guys for a timeline reset for like 15 years or keep Dame for a pie in the sky 3 year timeline to try and build a legit contender (won’t happen)?

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

Fair enough I guess, I mean had Wade never won anything in his career and had been surrounded with a supporting cast like his 07-10 years his entire career I’d probably be begging for the same. Fans don’t make those decisions though so we’ll see

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Scoot a potential all star as your next franchise piece next to your young guys for a timeline reset for like 15 years or keep Dame for a pie in the sky 3 year timeline to try and build a legit contender (won’t happen)?

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

Fair enough I guess, I mean had Wade never won anything in his career and had been surrounded with a supporting cast like his 07-10 years his entire career I’d probably be begging for the same. Fans don’t make those decisions though so we’ll see

True, but the Blazers front office has already showed their intentions... they said they don't want to trade him, they are actively pursuing trades to improve around Dame, and then they trolled us saying they'll trade for Bam. Pat is banking everything on the small, small chance that Dame turns his back on the Blazers and demands to be traded. Does that sound like Dame to you.

Pat is hoping against logic here. I think, now is time for other trades... Buddy Hield's, Porzingis' of the world.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

Fair enough I guess, I mean had Wade never won anything in his career and had been surrounded with a supporting cast like his 07-10 years his entire career I’d probably be begging for the same. Fans don’t make those decisions though so we’ll see

True, but the Blazers front office has already showed their intentions... they said they don't want to trade him, they are actively pursuing trades to improve around Dame, and then they trolled us saying they'll trade for Bam.

Pat is hoping against logic here. I think, now is time for other trades... Buddy Hield's, Porzingis' of the world.

There’s a lot of moves out there. Thankfully it seems like Pat should have a much better idea of the Dame situation by Friday at the latest then he can pivot if needed. A lot of talent out there that I feel like we can get to put this team over the top. Like ICC said realistically it doesn’t have to be a star but it for damn sure would help to have a 3 level scorer on that level. Don’t even think follow up moves would be necessary at that point other than some bet minimum signings

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also, won’t be shocked to see Cain in the lineup next year if we pull off something like a dame trade or multiple 2 for 1 deals. He’s ready

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Fair enough I guess, I mean had Wade never won anything in his career and had been surrounded with a supporting cast like his 07-10 years his entire career I’d probably be begging for the same. Fans don’t make those decisions though so we’ll see

True, but the Blazers front office has already showed their intentions... they said they don't want to trade him, they are actively pursuing trades to improve around Dame, and then they trolled us saying they'll trade for Bam.

Pat is hoping against logic here. I think, now is time for other trades... Buddy Hield's, Porzingis' of the world.

There’s a lot of moves out there. Thankfully it seems like Pat should have a much better idea of the Dame situation by Friday at the latest then he can pivot if needed. A lot of talent out there that I feel like we can get to put this team over the top. Like ICC said realistically it doesn’t have to be a star but it for damn sure would help to have a 3 level scorer on that level. Don’t even think follow up moves would be necessary at that point other than some bet minimum signings

There is a lot of moves out there, yeah, we should be fine.

Anything other than run it back

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Scoot a potential all star as your next franchise piece next to your young guys for a timeline reset for like 15 years or keep Dame for a pie in the sky 3 year timeline to try and build a legit contender (won’t happen)?

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

I am already passed the Dame Lillard wishing well hope, I know the team is gonna sit it out until after the draft and continue the hope. Fans are probably already done with it, just look at other pieces and start strengthen your team, its like you just need to add a lil bit more, we aren't needing a Superstar realistically.

Yea, I am already passed the Dame Lillard wishing well hope too. Thankfully draft is soon, and Pat might be able to move on from this Dame thing, and make some other moves. I'd be HYPE if we could get Buddy Hield + a legit 4 like Patrick Williams or Porzingis or something.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Q: Ira, I used to enjoy when you wrote those “what he said/what he meant” stories after Pat Riley spoke. I remember that going back to Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway. So what is your takeaway from Tuesday? – Leonard.

A: That with the new collective-bargaining agreement, it’s almost as if Pat Riley knows that it no longer is as simple as to go into free agency like a bull in a china shop, not as easy as telling General Manager Andy Elisburg to find a way. Pat’s “there are no obstacles” aggressive demeanor has run into the harsh reality that there are increasing obstacles, ones that cannot be sidestepped. The new CBA is such that the Heat this offseason might not be able to add a single free agent earning more than the minimum, including an inability, because of the new, staggered luxury-tax aprons, to be part of any sign-and-trade transactions, the very means that delivered Jimmy Butler. The new rules are draconian to the degree that we saw Tuesday that they even had Pat Riley taking stock. (For context, Riley’s “obstacles” quote came during his 2019 postseason media session, weeks ahead of finding a way to land Butler in the void of cap space, when he said, “There’s no obstacles. Well, there are tons of them, but there’s none. So we’ll try to get past them if we can to add more to the team, if that’s a possibility.”)

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-ira-no-obstacles-no-100500125.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ask-ira-is-there-s-no-obstacles-no-longer-a-heat-or-pat-riley-mantra/ar-AA1cPBvP

Even before we headed into all this i was stressing how bad the cap was and kept posting the numbers for all to see to keep expectations in check along with 2nd apron implications. Like a poster said last night they hated me in the moment but also grateful for putting things in check for reality context. We can improve but we need to do a few gymnastics to cut some salary. Not expecting any crazy 40 mil plus super star deal when we need to fill out the roster around Butler, Bam, and Herro.

[eddieheatfan]

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Q: Ira, I used to enjoy when you wrote those “what he said/what he meant” stories after Pat Riley spoke. I remember that going back to Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway. So what is your takeaway from Tuesday? – Leonard.

A: That with the new collective-bargaining agreement, it’s almost as if Pat Riley knows that it no longer is as simple as to go into free agency like a bull in a china shop, not as easy as telling General Manager Andy Elisburg to find a way. Pat’s “there are no obstacles” aggressive demeanor has run into the harsh reality that there are increasing obstacles, ones that cannot be sidestepped. The new CBA is such that the Heat this offseason might not be able to add a single free agent earning more than the minimum, including an inability, because of the new, staggered luxury-tax aprons, to be part of any sign-and-trade transactions, the very means that delivered Jimmy Butler. The new rules are draconian to the degree that we saw Tuesday that they even had Pat Riley taking stock. (For context, Riley’s “obstacles” quote came during his 2019 postseason media session, weeks ahead of finding a way to land Butler in the void of cap space, when he said, “There’s no obstacles. Well, there are tons of them, but there’s none. So we’ll try to get past them if we can to add more to the team, if that’s a possibility.”)

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-ira-no-obstacles-no-100500125.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ask-ira-is-there-s-no-obstacles-no-longer-a-heat-or-pat-riley-mantra/ar-AA1cPBvP

YUP that was my assessment too. more scrubs, has beens and players on their last legs incoming

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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Q: Ira, I used to enjoy when you wrote those “what he said/what he meant” stories after Pat Riley spoke. I remember that going back to Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway. So what is your takeaway from Tuesday? – Leonard.

A: That with the new collective-bargaining agreement, it’s almost as if Pat Riley knows that it no longer is as simple as to go into free agency like a bull in a china shop, not as easy as telling General Manager Andy Elisburg to find a way. Pat’s “there are no obstacles” aggressive demeanor has run into the harsh reality that there are increasing obstacles, ones that cannot be sidestepped. The new CBA is such that the Heat this offseason might not be able to add a single free agent earning more than the minimum, including an inability, because of the new, staggered luxury-tax aprons, to be part of any sign-and-trade transactions, the very means that delivered Jimmy Butler. The new rules are draconian to the degree that we saw Tuesday that they even had Pat Riley taking stock. (For context, Riley’s “obstacles” quote came during his 2019 postseason media session, weeks ahead of finding a way to land Butler in the void of cap space, when he said, “There’s no obstacles. Well, there are tons of them, but there’s none. So we’ll try to get past them if we can to add more to the team, if that’s a possibility.”)

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-ira-no-obstacles-no-100500125.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ask-ira-is-there-s-no-obstacles-no-longer-a-heat-or-pat-riley-mantra/ar-AA1cPBvP

Even before we headed into all this i was stressing how bad the cap was and kept posting the numbers for all to see to keep expectations in cheek. Like a poster said last night they hated me in the moment but also grateful for putting things in check for reality context. We can improve but we need to do a few gymnastics to cut some salary. Not expecting any crazy 40 mil plus super star deal when we need to fill out the roster around Butler, Bam, and Herro.

Lowry/Oladipo are easy to get out from under as expirings... heck, WASH would take them if we add a pick right

the trick is Robinson.

What do you think of calling Minnesota and offering them the elite, "IGNITABLE" 3pt shooter to space the floor for Kat + Gobert

[eddieheatfan]

I posted in the Blazers forum and asked them

their fans and city do not care about logic on this. Dame is their Wade, and they claim that previous blazers front office never went "all in" for Dame, and they want to see it happen at least once and try to win with Dame, rather than ever trade him


As a Miami fan, think of Dan Marino. No chance in hell the city of Miami nor the dolphins would have ever considered trading Marino, so he could have a chance to win somewhere else. We went down swinging trying to get him help until it was over.



Dame isn't leaving Portland. I don't believe Dame will ask out. The Blazers will make a small trade or two to try and upgrade, while also drafting Scoot... and Dame will play there anyway. That's my guess and I'd bet on it happening

I am already passed the Dame Lillard wishing well hope, I know the team is gonna sit it out until after the draft and continue the hope. Fans are probably already done with it, just look at other pieces and start strengthen your team, its like you just need to add a lil bit more, we aren't needing a Superstar realistically.

Yea, I am already passed the Dame Lillard wishing well hope too. Thankfully draft is soon, and Pat might be able to move on from this Dame thing, and make some other moves. I'd be HYPE if we could get Buddy Hield + a legit 4 like Patrick Williams or Porzingis or something.

i'm not so optimistic dood sorry but i just dont see it

[RexBoyWonder]

Also, won’t be shocked to see Cain in the lineup next year if we pull off something like a dame trade or multiple 2 for 1 deals. He’s ready

I expect at least 3 of Jovic, Cain, Bouyea and Orlando Robinson to be in the rotation next year. Especially if we get a big trade done where we lose some depth for a star.

[eddieheatfan]

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https://news.yahoo.com/ask-ira-no-obstacles-no-100500125.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ask-ira-is-there-s-no-obstacles-no-longer-a-heat-or-pat-riley-mantra/ar-AA1cPBvP

Even before we headed into all this i was stressing how bad the cap was and kept posting the numbers for all to see to keep expectations in cheek. Like a poster said last night they hated me in the moment but also grateful for putting things in check for reality context. We can improve but we need to do a few gymnastics to cut some salary. Not expecting any crazy 40 mil plus super star deal when we need to fill out the roster around Butler, Bam, and Herro.

Lowry/Oladipo are easy to get out from under as expirings... heck, WASH would take them if we add a pick right

the trick is Robinson.

What do you think of calling Minnesota and offering them the elite, "IGNITABLE" 3pt shooter to space the floor for Kat + Gobert

outside the heat i dont think many teams in the NBA are interested in washed out or/and injured players.in a perfect world i would chose dipo if he was healthy but he's not, unfortunately so the heat must buy him out or ask him to retire. dude will never be the same player as he was in indy and orlando

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Even before we headed into all this i was stressing how bad the cap was and kept posting the numbers for all to see to keep expectations in cheek. Like a poster said last night they hated me in the moment but also grateful for putting things in check for reality context. We can improve but we need to do a few gymnastics to cut some salary. Not expecting any crazy 40 mil plus super star deal when we need to fill out the roster around Butler, Bam, and Herro.

Lowry/Oladipo are easy to get out from under as expirings... heck, WASH would take them if we add a pick right

the trick is Robinson.

What do you think of calling Minnesota and offering them the elite, "IGNITABLE" 3pt shooter to space the floor for Kat + Gobert

outside the heat i dont think many teams in the NBA are interested in washed out or/and injured players.in a perfect world i would chose dipo if he was healthy but he's not, unfortunately so the heat must buy him out or ask him to retire. dude will never be the same player as he was in indy and orlando

But expiring contracts are going to be more valuable with new CBA coming... i think they will be valuable assets in a trade, for many teams looking to get under new tax rules