Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[zoyathedestroya]

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Pritchard for 7 straight up.

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DFS would be like 9th best three point shooter on the team, plus he can’t score at all anyway else.

In fairness we've got an unusually good three point shooting roster and take a metric ton of them so a) it's unsurprising that he's that far down the list and b) still good that he can make his fair share (league average).

True he can't score any way else, but he's a good defender, if he could score regularly inside the arc he'd be a $25m player but he can't so he only costs $13m. Not sure you'll be able to swap Brogdon for a better PF given his injury history/ age/ cost but I'm 100% open to it.

If the best we can do is get DFS and Mills, then that’s kinda depressing. Both role players that’s not starting caliber players on a contender. Plus we already have a good defensive player that’s not good in scoring in Smart. Why add to that? Plus Rob can’t score on his own. That’s 3 guys offensively handicapped on the starting lineup.

So DFS isn't a starting caliber player on a contender but these guys were all starters on NBA champions?

KCP (starter for NBA champion in 2020 and in 2023)
Bruce Bowen
Shane Battier
Danny Green (starter for NBA champion in 2020, 2019 and 2014)
PJ Tucker

Otto Porter Jr was starting in the finals for the warriors in 2022. Max Strus started every game in the ECF when the Heat just beat us.

Are these guys really that much better offensively than DFS?

Smart was the 3rd leading scorer for us when we went to the finals in 2022. He's not the best shooter but he can hit them (typically shoots it better in the playoffs, too), he is an effective iso scorer when he picks the right time to do it, can post up smaller guards, is the best passer on our team.

Rob has the highest single season offensive rating in NBA history.

[ddb]

I'm really curious if the Spurs would turn down a Tatum for Wemby trade.

Yes, with 100% certainty they would turn that down.

[RickyDizzle]

Ayton to Atlanta
John Collins and Pritchard to Indy
Brogdon, Muscala, #15 (from Atlanta), #35 to Phoenix
Buddy Hield, #26, and #29 to Boston

White, Hield, Brown, Tatum, Timelord
Smart, Horford, Grant Williams, Hauser, #26, #29, Yam? Begarin?

Could also still maneuver around with Grant, Kornet, #26 and #29... try to sign Dillon Brooks maybe if he doesn't get the contract he's looking for.

[Triple7]

More realistic deals:

BOS in: DFS, Mills
BOS out: Brogdon

BKN in: #17 Beasley
BKN out: DFS, Mills

LAL in: Brogdon
LAL out: #17, Beasley

DFS gives you another guy who can play defense in the frontcourt. Mills backfills our PG as a sniper.

Brooklyn sell high on DFS and get #17, likely with the hope of moving up using one or both of their picks in the 20s. The Lakers upgrade from Beasley using #17.

Follow up:

BOS: Boucher

TOR: Pritchard, Gallo

C's follow up to get another big as depth behind Rob/Horford. Boucher is still a small-ball 5, but he can play next to Rob and he can fill the C position in a pinch.

Toronto has a gaping hole at PG and a plethora of PF's so they take a chance on PP and give him the kind of minutes he's looking for while also taking a flyer on Gallo (likely to be flipped at deadline if he has anything left in the tank that can net them a 2nd).

Smart/ Mills/ Davison
Brown/ White
Tatum/ Hauser
DFS/ Grant/ Boucher
Rob/ Horford/ Muscala

Stick at #35 and take best wing or big available. Buy back into the 2nd round for a euro stash ideally or just the 15th man on the bench (high upside guys like Vukcevic/Gueye).

We all know playing smart, brown and Rob all the same time won’t work. That’s an awful shooting starting lineup. Will not work with the 3 ball Joe is preaching. Still no post up scoring, no mid range. Pass!

Huh? The best performing starting lineup we've had in the past decade had Smart, Brown and Rob in it. The 3 of them started together all season long in 21-22, resulting in our only trip to the NBA finals since Pierce/KG.

Well that season we played defense, and we don’t live and die by the 3, unlike this last season with Joe. Since Joe is our coach, non shooters playing together won’t work. Plus Rob and Smart were all defense that year. Huge drop off this previous year with Joe. Also, that trip to the finals was a fluke. We barely beat a middleton less bucks in 7 games, also barely beat a heat team saddled with injuries as well. You can’t play those 3 together next season.

[Celtics_Champs]

Fully expect the radio to go nuts on Jaylen Trades in a few moments, but don’t fret it’s a fake rumor made up by the Ghost of a Dog.

People are just dumb enough to believe anything.

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In fairness we've got an unusually good three point shooting roster and take a metric ton of them so a) it's unsurprising that he's that far down the list and b) still good that he can make his fair share (league average).

True he can't score any way else, but he's a good defender, if he could score regularly inside the arc he'd be a $25m player but he can't so he only costs $13m. Not sure you'll be able to swap Brogdon for a better PF given his injury history/ age/ cost but I'm 100% open to it.

If the best we can do is get DFS and Mills, then that’s kinda depressing. Both role players that’s not starting caliber players on a contender. Plus we already have a good defensive player that’s not good in scoring in Smart. Why add to that? Plus Rob can’t score on his own. That’s 3 guys offensively handicapped on the starting lineup.

So DFC isn't a starting caliber player on a contender but these guys were all starters on NBA champions?

KCP (starter for NBA champion in 2020 and in 2023)
Bruce Bowen
Shane Battier
Danny Green (starter for NBA champion in 2020, 2019 and 2014)
PJ Tucker

Otto Porter Jr was starting in the finals for the warriors in 2022. Max Strus started every game in the ECF when the Heat just beat us.

Are these guys really that much better offensively than DFS?

Smart was the 3rd leading scorer for us when we went to the finals in 2022.

Rob has the highest single season offensive rating in NBA history.

KFC is the last thing this team needs. Those teams can win with those guys, fine - Boston already has 4-5 similar low volume defensive specialist guys better than him and doesn't need to be wasting salary space on more of them.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[Celts17Pride]

Trades usually don't happen until draft day but hopefully we get 1 or 2 today from around the league.

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I keep playing around with the Fanspo trade machine and keep coming back to the Suns. A team that needs pieces...The Suns have a good player to dangle (Ayton) just sitting there for the taking. For me, I'd be trying to bring Ayton in. Celts could really use a big, durable, traditional center that is solid on both ends. If you bring in Ayton, for say, Timelord & Brogdon, you can now move Horford to the bench where he can thrive in a 20-24mpg role off the bench at the 4/5. You can play White 35mpg which will be great for the team, Smart 32mpg, and open up some Pritchard minutes.
You can dangle GWill in S&T deals and try to bring in a big physical wing that's more of a threat to do stuff.
Plus, Gallo is coming back, and people are sleeping on his ability to catch and shoot quickly and effectively. He will open things up for Tatum/Brown.
Celts could really use an 18/10 center that plays in a lot of games.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Celts17Pride]

Hmmm...

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Makes zero sense, Jaylen Brown is already under contract for next year.

[Celts17Pride]

I keep playing around with the Fanspo trade machine and keep coming back to the Suns. A team that needs pieces...The Suns have a good player to dangle (Ayton) just sitting there for the taking. For me, I'd be trying to bring Ayton in. Celts could really use a big, durable, traditional center that is solid on both ends. If you bring in Ayton, for say, Timelord & Brogdon, you can now move Horford to the bench where he can thrive in a 20-24mpg role off the bench at the 4/5. You can play White 35mpg which will be great for the team, Smart 32mpg, and open up some Pritchard minutes.
You can dangle GWill in S&T deals and try to bring in a big physical wing that's more of a threat to do stuff.
Plus, Gallo is coming back, and people are sleeping on his ability to catch and shoot quickly and effectively. He will open things up for Tatum/Brown.
Celts could really use an 18/10 center that plays in a lot of games.

I would do it mainly because TimeLord never plays. Celtics need more value coming back though.

[Larry_Russell]

Hmmm...

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Makes zero sense, Jaylen Brown is already under contract for next year.

YEah, I do not think it is possible to extend and trade. (If Supermax I am pretty sure yoou cant, if less than supermax maybe??)

is the Bark Bark BArk in reference to another fake rumor about Ant wanting out of Minny and them wanting Brown?

[Triple7]

In fairness we've got an unusually good three point shooting roster and take a metric ton of them so a) it's unsurprising that he's that far down the list and b) still good that he can make his fair share (league average).

True he can't score any way else, but he's a good defender, if he could score regularly inside the arc he'd be a $25m player but he can't so he only costs $13m. Not sure you'll be able to swap Brogdon for a better PF given his injury history/ age/ cost but I'm 100% open to it.

If the best we can do is get DFS and Mills, then that’s kinda depressing. Both role players that’s not starting caliber players on a contender. Plus we already have a good defensive player that’s not good in scoring in Smart. Why add to that? Plus Rob can’t score on his own. That’s 3 guys offensively handicapped on the starting lineup.

So DFC isn't a starting caliber player on a contender but these guys were all starters on NBA champions?

KCP (starter for NBA champion in 2020 and in 2023)
Bruce Bowen
Shane Battier
Danny Green (starter for NBA champion in 2020, 2019 and 2014)
PJ Tucker

Otto Porter Jr was starting in the finals for the warriors in 2022. Max Strus started every game in the ECF when the Heat just beat us.

Are these guys really that much better offensively than DFS?

Smart was the 3rd leading scorer for us when we went to the finals in 2022. He's not the best shooter but he can hit them (typically shoots it better in the playoffs, too), he is an effective iso scorer when he picks the right time to do it, can post up smaller guards, is the best passer on our team.

Rob has the highest single season offensive rating in NBA history.

DFS really???? Lol. If that guy is starting then we have no business expecting something more than a playoff appearance. Rob can’t score on his own past 5ft. Of course he will a high percentage scoring only on lobs and follow ups lol. Smart Is just an awful offensive player. Smart, Rob and DFS are role players, that should’t be starting at all.

[Celtics_Champs]

I’ll keep harping on it until we get something juicy.

The fact that our NBA analysts went from getting their information straight from a WOJ or Shams and instantly responding to fake Twitter jokes isn’t Elons fault. That’s their own stupidity.

Perk thinking a grown man grew four inches in a month. I mean what the ****, fire them all. I’m tired of listening to it.

[cl2117]

Sure they could they could just keep Grant Williams who's the exact same guy and is only really helpful when he is hitting a huge volume of threes, which doesn't happen a ton (but still a lot more frequently than Smith).

Yeah and I'm 100% on board with that as well, it's my preference to just run the whole thing back with some minor tweaks.

But the idea of trading Brogdon that's been floated is for more roster balance and so I think you're looking at improving PF. I don't see any realistic huge upgrades in talent from Brogdon so I think you're looking at a lateral move like DFS. I think he's a better wing defender than Grant and has a similar offensive game, so I like money-balling them into one 3&D PF who can play 3 to small ball 5.

The other options that are out there seem questionable like Collins, who is more expensive and arguably worse overall. Vanderbilt could be an option but he was so poor offensively that he couldn't crack the playoff rotation (although he's considerably cheaper which is nice). WCJ would be a dream but I don't think Orlando are interested in moving him unless it's for a significant overpay. Kuzma is a FA, Harris too expensive. Kyle Anderson could be really interesting, but not sure if Memphis want to move him. Not sure if I'm missing some more obvious targets. If the Clippers blow it up but you could pick a couple guys like Cov/Batum off them, but I don't like that as value for Brogdon.

Just feels like slim pickings if the idea is to trade Malcolm for an improvement at PF, think lateral move is best bet. Alternatively you could go an try to add a C, which might be the better "balancing" option if the plan is to bring back Grant. Capela in a 3 way with ATL?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[CeltsfaninDC]

Hmmm...

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We all know playing smart, brown and Rob all the same time won’t work. That’s an awful shooting starting lineup. Will not work with the 3 ball Joe is preaching. Still no post up scoring, no mid range. Pass!

Huh? The best performing starting lineup we've had in the past decade had Smart, Brown and Rob in it. The 3 of them started together all season long in 21-22, resulting in our only trip to the NBA finals since Pierce/KG.

Well that season we played defense, and we don’t live and die by the 3, unlike this last season with Joe. Since Joe is our coach, non shooters playing together won’t work. Plus Rob and Smart were all defense that year. Huge drop off this previous year with Joe. Also, that trip to the finals was a fluke. We barely beat a middleton less bucks in 7 games, also barely beat a heat team saddled with injuries as well. You can’t play those 3 together next season.

Sounds like a lot of goalpost moving and conspiracy theories. Meanwhile I give you a list of guys who were starters on ACTUAL championship teams who won the NBA title in REAL life who were comparable players to DFS and you come back with nothing but an lol.

We had injuries vs the bucks too, we had injuries vs the Heat too. And in the regular season we had the #1 net rating in the league with rob, brown and smart in the starting 5 together.

Huge dropoff defensively with Joe? We had a top 3 defense in the league this season, despite having Rob miss half the season (and wasn't 100% even when he did play) and Smart missed a bunch of games to injuries (and was not 100% for many of the games he did play, with his ankle issues). Those guys were much healthier the year before under Ime.

Not to mention, Mazzulla ran the defense for us in 21-22.

And the moves that cl2117 proposed have us going from Brogdon to a better defender (DFS), from Pritchard to a better defender (Mills) and from Gallo to a better defender (Boucher).