Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Yeah I was thinking the Raps might be offering OG and the 13 for the 3. They want to team Scoot with Barnes and Pascal.

that would be a dream scenario but i don't see that offer being played out because OG+13 is probably one of the 'worse' trade offers for the #3 pick imho - if we're talking about Portland not translating that #3 into a perennial allstar calibre player.

i mean if Toronto, as current as the roster is today and had the #3 pick, needed a vet, no way they trade that pick for an OG level type of player (and the 13th)

Og and 13 is better than PG13. Especially when you have to find about 10 mil salary to trade instead of 40. It in effect means they could keep Simons.

doubt the raptors even trade for #3 if Scoot isn't available.

[BHF]

Siakam is better than Bum Adebayo.

idk about that

numbers don't lie, Pascal is better.

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

[LBJKB24MJ23]

idk about that

numbers don't lie, Pascal is better.

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

well i doubt Bam would be even remotely effective as a 1st option. he's pretty one dimensional on offense.

[Pointgod]

Brandon Miller is that good. Wing players are harder to find.

I’m not a draft expert but from what I’ve seen and read, the reasoning for picking Miller isn’t that he’s head and shoulders above Scoot but that Charlotte already has Lamelo on the team. The comparisons I’ve heard for Brandon Miller are Danny Granger and Brandon Ingram, but he doesn’t seem to have the raw two way talent of even a Paul George. Not that it’s going to turn out this way, but it reminds me of the decision to draft Bogut and Marvin Williams over Chris Paul because you already have a PG on the roster. Again I could be wrong here but Charlotte has a very poor history of draft picks.

What’s sad is Atlanta didn’t even really have a good PG on the roster. The Marvin Williams pick was baffling.

I went back to that draft and Chris Paul was the 4th pick which is wild in hindsight. Marvin Williams pick was beyond idiotic considering he was a bench player in college. Not only that but Utah missed on Paul as well, but Williams was a great consolation.

Interesting fact. That draft had 5 allstars but only 2 were in the top 5.

Williams (3)
Paul (4)
Andrew Bynum (10)
Danny Granger (17)
David Lee (30)

[anotherhomer]

I’m not a draft expert but from what I’ve seen and read, the reasoning for picking Miller isn’t that he’s head and shoulders above Scoot but that Charlotte already has Lamelo on the team. The comparisons I’ve heard for Brandon Miller are Danny Granger and Brandon Ingram, but he doesn’t seem to have the raw two way talent of even a Paul George. Not that it’s going to turn out this way, but it reminds me of the decision to draft Bogut and Marvin Williams over Chris Paul because you already have a PG on the roster. Again I could be wrong here but Charlotte has a very poor history of draft picks.

What’s sad is Atlanta didn’t even really have a good PG on the roster. The Marvin Williams pick was baffling.

I went back to that draft and Chris Paul was the 4th pick which is wild in hindsight. Marvin Williams pick was beyond idiotic considering he was a bench player in college. Not only that but Utah missed on Paul as well, but Williams was a great consolation.

Interesting fact. That draft had 5 allstars but only 2 were in the top 5.

Williams (3)
Paul (4)
Andrew Bynum (10)
Danny Granger (17)
David Lee (30)

The deron William pick wasn't bad the first few years as he played well for Utah and even brooklyn at first

[TNRaps4life]

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[BHF]

numbers don't lie, Pascal is better.

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

well i doubt Bam would be even remotely effective as a 1st option. he's pretty one dimensional on offense.

He may not be as good offensively as Pascal but he is not far off as some people here think. He scored 20 points a game and he was not the first option on offence, and defensively he is miles ahead of lazy Pascal.

[720]

Still believe the Pels are not trading Zion or Ingram. This Paul George stuff is smokescreen to raise the 3rd picks value even more (plus he’s old and always injured). Siakam is still the best path forward for the Blazers if they actually wanna contend with Dame.

[Scizzup]

numbers don't lie, Pascal is better.

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

well i doubt Bam would be even remotely effective as a 1st option. he's pretty one dimensional on offense.

why does 1st option on offense matter for either players? neither are top 20 offensive players(impact) in the league.

Bam is more valuable than Pascal overall because he is far superior defensively at a position which allows more lineups outputs out there. Pascal is better than Bam on offense obviously but he is just not that great of an offensive player even if he is playing of a better offensive player. He just is never going to be that efficient of a scorer due to his shot diet and pull up ability. Impact stats would say FVV been the best offensive player on this team last 2 years btw.


I think Bam with Lillard > Lillard/Pascal personally due to him doing a lot of **** Dray does for Curry on offense (screening/short roll playrmaker, relocation passing). Pat wouldn't trade him though.

[Raptors Realtor]

Ya the Bam rumor makes zero sense for either team... If Portland trades for Bam, its to pair him with Dame, and why would Miami trade Bam fresh off making the NBA finals? They'd have zero bigs, and they're not trying to rebuild, and if they were, Bam is only 26... They're trying to add another star, but not by trading from an area with no depth.

[MiamiSPX]

If Paul George is actually available him going to Portland is inevitable.

But cant see Kawhi signing off on that, unless CLippers getting back another star so I think its smoke

Pretty sure Ballmer and the LAC org are at the point where they really don't care what Kawhi thinks or wants.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

well i doubt Bam would be even remotely effective as a 1st option. he's pretty one dimensional on offense.

He may not be as good offensively as Pascal but he is not far off as some people here think. He scored 20 points a game and he was not the first option on offence, and defensively he is miles ahead of lazy Pascal.

he can only score in the paint - thats a huge difference. of course, they also play different positions overall.

[mademan]

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irresponsible if they actually did that, but i dont believe it (or its like 2 of those Knicks picks that are probably never gonna convey)

[Mak]

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irresponsible if they actually did that, but i dont believe it (or its like 2 of those Knicks picks that are probably never gonna convey)

Right, one of those could have been Wizards pick that Knicks have which will now not likely to convey.

[anotherhomer]

If Paul George is actually available him going to Portland is inevitable.

But cant see Kawhi signing off on that, unless CLippers getting back another star so I think its smoke

Pretty sure Ballmer and the LAC org are at the point where they really don't care what Kawhi thinks or wants.

I have to agree.
They catered to kawhi for 4 seasons and it's gone no where plus kawhi probably gone for another season

[Red_Claw]

Most Raps fans wouldn't like this but i think its fair and lets Portland get the corner pieces needed to compete over the next few years.

Pascal + Porter
For
Sharpe + Simons + Little + Knox + K.Johnson + #23 FRP

Portland can draft Scoot and create a big 3 of Lillard, Scoot, Siakam or make another trade for another vet. They will lack depth this upcoming season but can build on the core over the next couple season.

Raps get their scorer (Sharpe) to go with their playmaker (Scottie) and keep their defensive anchor (OG).

[TorontoBarneys]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272021/Clippers-Gauging-Trade-Value-Of-Paul-George-With-Blazers-Rockets-Possible-Destinations

Getting dimmer and dimmer for the possibility of us acquiring the #3 or #4 pick.

[Prestige]

If the usual trend continues, no trade will happen, the Raptors will pick some random player at 13, buy a second round pick, and Masai/Bobby will have a lackluster press conference introducing them.

[mtcan]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272021/Clippers-Gauging-Trade-Value-Of-Paul-George-With-Blazers-Rockets-Possible-Destinations

Getting dimmer and dimmer for the possibility of us acquiring the #3 or #4 pick.

Like I said earlier...my mind is set on selecting #13 and then packing up and going home. Our front office almost never deals on draft night. I believe the Vasquez for Norm/OG trade is the only draft night trade Masai has ever pulled off.

[Sandman88]

idk about that

numbers don't lie, Pascal is better.

Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

I’m surprised more people don’t grasp this. Pascal had free reign on a team starved of offense. Of course he’s gonna put up numbers. Doesn’t mean he’s that guy