Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[bisme37]

The Grizzlies are exploring trade opportunities to help Tyus Jones land a full-time starting position elsewhere, league sources told Yahoo Sports, while Memphis has prioritized upgrading the team’s wing depth. Small forward Dillon Brooks is expected to sign elsewhere in free agency, where Houston continues to be the destination most often mentioned for Brooks by league personnel.
Source: Yahoo! Sports

Utah has made guard Collin Sexton available in trade talks around the league, sources said.
Source: Yahoo! Sports

Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: As expected, Washington Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma has declined his $13 million player option and become a free agent. Kuzma will be one of the marketplace’s most prominent players. A return to Washington on a new deal remains a possibility.
Source: Twitter @wojespn

League sources tell The Stein Line that the LA Clippers have left various rival teams with the impression through their Draft Week conversations that they are, at a minimum, attempting to gauge Paul George's trade value and, to hear some describe it, giving real consideration to the idea of disassembling the Kawhi Leonard/George tandem.
Source: Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

Elsewhere, there has been interest in 22-year-old forward KJ Martin, sources say, with his combination of age and upside still intriguing to rival NBA teams and deemed attainable internally for the right price.
Source: Kelly Iko @ The Athletic

League sources say the Atlanta Hawks have explored the idea of trading De’Andre Hunter with AJ Griffin needing more playing time.
 Any deal may affect this pick, but Cason Wallace would give the Hawks a different look from Trae Young and Dejounte Murray with his more controlled pace and defense.
Source: Jonathan Wasserman @ Bleacher Report

All from the rumor roundup on Hoopshype today.
https://hoopshype.com

[bisme37]

There have been over half a dozen teams who have inquired about a potential sign-and-trade deal for Grant Williams, league sources told The Athletic. Williams turned down an extension offer around the projected $12.2 million mid-level exception (MLE) before last season and in spite of a tumultuous year in and out of the rotation, there appears to be a market brewing that could push his value beyond the MLE most teams above the cap could offer.
Source: Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

https://hoopshype.com/2023/06/21/a-dozen-teams-interested-in-grant-williams/

[djFan71]

3-Team Blockbuster between Boston, San Antonio, and Portland.

Celtics Out: Jaylen, Brogdon
Celtics In: Dame, McDermott

Spurs in: Jaylen, Brogdon
Spurs Out: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Why for Boston: Dame is best player in the deal. Pair him with Tatum you're a title favorite. McDermott gives floor spacing and depth on the wing. Avoid paying Jaylen his massive contract. Open up more guard minutes for White and a little PT for PP.

Why for Spurs: Draft Wemby. Franchise cornerstone. Pair him with another pillar in JB who SA will gladly pay the max to since they don't have a 2nd max guy at the moment. Brogdon gives them another veteran guy that along with JB can mentor Wemby. They can now go out and spend in free agency and build a competitive team right away around Wemby.

Why for Portland: Listen, same old song with this group. Dame wants one thing; the organization seems to want something else. So make the damn move already. Draft Scoot. Develop Sharpe. Bring in 3 talented young players from SA to join the group. This is a rebuild, but if Scoot or Sharpe hit big, they can be right back in the thick of things within a few years out west.

I give you out of the box on this one.
If you can convince the other teams, I'm in. There's plausibility in there at least. JB staying in SAS is the obvious question.

[ddb]

3-Team Blockbuster between Boston, San Antonio, and Portland.

Celtics Out: Jaylen, Brogdon
Celtics In: Dame, McDermott

Spurs in: Jaylen, Brogdon
Spurs Out: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Why for Boston: Dame is best player in the deal. Pair him with Tatum you're a title favorite. McDermott gives floor spacing and depth on the wing. Avoid paying Jaylen his massive contract. Open up more guard minutes for White and a little PT for PP.

Why for Spurs: Draft Wemby. Franchise cornerstone. Pair him with another pillar in JB who SA will gladly pay the max to since they don't have a 2nd max guy at the moment. Brogdon gives them another veteran guy that along with JB can mentor Wemby. They can now go out and spend in free agency and build a competitive team right away around Wemby.

Why for Portland: Listen, same old song with this group. Dame wants one thing; the organization seems to want something else. So make the damn move already. Draft Scoot. Develop Sharpe. Bring in 3 talented young players from SA to join the group. This is a rebuild, but if Scoot or Sharpe hit big, they can be right back in the thick of things within a few years out west.

I give you out of the box on this one.
If you can convince the other teams, I'm in. There's plausibility in there at least. JB staying in SAS is the obvious question.

JB would love the infrastructure in place down in SA. Obviously, Pop & RC are major factors. Wemby is a generational talent. Great fan base. That's a great situation for Jaylen. Spurs have long respected and coveted JB. JB would already be a Spur if Kawhi would have agreed to stay in Boston beyond 1-season.

[31to6]

Celtics out: Jaylen (32), Brogdon (22), Pritchard (4)
Celtics in: DeRozan (28/1), Vucevic (resigned at 23M per?), Patrick Williams (9), 2024 1st if they can trade it

Smart/DeRozan/Tatum/Al/Vuc
White/??/Williams/Williams/Williams

Williams bench trifecta complete
Draft a SG named Williams and we'd really be getting somewhere

Analysis: DeRozan is old, and doesn't shoot 3s, but you know he's good and doesn't turn the ball over.
Vuc is also old, but *does* shoot 3s now, and rebounds and passes and maybe isn't as bad a defender as you think.
In fact, I'd like this trade and almost do it if not for the fact that I think Patrick Williams sucks. If I really thought he could grow into something, that'd be cool.

[ddb]

Celtics out: Jaylen (32), Brogdon (22), Pritchard (4)
Celtics in: DeRozan (28/1), Vucevic (resigned at 23M per?), Patrick Williams (9), 2024 1st if they can trade it

Smart/DeRozan/Tatum/Al/Vuc
White/??/Williams/Williams/Williams

Williams bench trifecta complete
Draft a SG named Williams and we'd really be getting somewhere

Analysis: DeRozan is old, and doesn't shoot 3s, but you know he's good and doesn't turn the ball over.
Vuc is also old, but *does* shoot 3s now, and rebounds and passes and maybe isn't as bad a defender as you think.
In fact, I'd like this trade and almost do it if not for the fact that I think Patrick Williams sucks. If I really thought he could grow into something, that'd be cool.

I don't hate it

[playa-hater]

How depressing is the thought that trading PP is the BIG MOVE we get all offseason

#FIREJOEBRADWYC

you are not owed a BIG MOVE my guy
a team that won 57 games isn't usually getting a lot of fireworks
especially when its best players are just getting to the beginnings of their primes

Spoiler:

please don't respond with the definition of insanity quote that'd be if they were a few years over 30, not under it;)

technically no one is ever owed a big move.. But since I am currently at car wash, i will keep it short..

This team has the ability to improve in my opinion more by making proper trades Rather than just hoping our prime guys get a little older and better..

This core has pkayed together forcquite some time... And realistically speaking Has not really improved much throughout the last few seasons together...

The idea that making A significant change cannot improve this team. Is is wrong in my opinion...

Whelp that is the end of my car wash..

See ya later..

[Curmudgeon]

Brown and Brogdon to Atlanta for Murray, Bogdanovic and Okongwu. I won't even ask for DeAndre Hunter.

Simpler deal: Payton Pritchard to Chicago for Javonte Green.

Agree on Patrick Williams.

[playa-hater]

Brown and Brogdon to Atlanta for Murray, Bogdanovic and Okongwu. I won't even ask for DeAndre Hunter.

Simpler deal: Payton Pritchard to Chicago for Javonte Green.

Agree on Patrick Williams.

I have made a similar trade idea involving atlanta.. Although I would like their fourteenth pick..

But for the most part I feel that is a win win trade for everyone

[sam_I_am]

We need a young Al Horford. I like Grant as a rotation big but he isn’t capable of filling Al’s shoes as rim protector. Wendell Carter JR. is the perfect target. If we could get him a couple of years practicing with Al he could develop into a solid option. Look at how successful Butler has been next to Bam a young stud big man. I don’t know what it would take but maybe one of our guards and a couple of first rounders might entice them.

[fallguy]

3-Team Blockbuster between Boston, San Antonio, and Portland.

Celtics Out: Jaylen, Brogdon
Celtics In: Dame, McDermott

Spurs in: Jaylen, Brogdon
Spurs Out: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: Vassell, KJohnson, Sochan, #33, #44

Why for Boston: Dame is best player in the deal. Pair him with Tatum you're a title favorite. McDermott gives floor spacing and depth on the wing. Avoid paying Jaylen his massive contract. Open up more guard minutes for White and a little PT for PP.

Why for Spurs: Draft Wemby. Franchise cornerstone. Pair him with another pillar in JB who SA will gladly pay the max to since they don't have a 2nd max guy at the moment. Brogdon gives them another veteran guy that along with JB can mentor Wemby. They can now go out and spend in free agency and build a competitive team right away around Wemby.

Why for Portland: Listen, same old song with this group. Dame wants one thing; the organization seems to want something else. So make the damn move already. Draft Scoot. Develop Sharpe. Bring in 3 talented young players from SA to join the group. This is a rebuild, but if Scoot or Sharpe hit big, they can be right back in the thick of things within a few years out west.

I give you out of the box on this one.
If you can convince the other teams, I'm in. There's plausibility in there at least. JB staying in SAS is the obvious question.

JB would love the infrastructure in place down in SA. Obviously, Pop & RC are major factors. Wemby is a generational talent. Great fan base. That's a great situation for Jaylen. Spurs have long respected and coveted JB. JB would already be a Spur if Kawhi would have agreed to stay in Boston beyond 1-season.

God knows what Jaylen wants but doesn't feel like SA is the place he wants to be...

[hugepatsfan]

Brogdon/Pritchard/Muscala and picks for Ayton

Grant s&t to Dallas for Bullock

Smart / White
Brown / Bullock
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / Gallinari
Ayton / RWilliams

Gallo and Hauser dropped for the playoff rotation when you cut to 8 guys.

[djFan71]

Celtics out: Jaylen (32), Brogdon (22), Pritchard (4)
Celtics in: DeRozan (28/1), Vucevic (resigned at 23M per?), Patrick Williams (9), 2024 1st if they can trade it

Smart/DeRozan/Tatum/Al/Vuc
White/??/Williams/Williams/Williams

Williams bench trifecta complete
Draft a SG named Williams and we'd really be getting somewhere

Analysis: DeRozan is old, and doesn't shoot 3s, but you know he's good and doesn't turn the ball over.
Vuc is also old, but *does* shoot 3s now, and rebounds and passes and maybe isn't as bad a defender as you think.
In fact, I'd like this trade and almost do it if not for the fact that I think Patrick Williams sucks. If I really thought he could grow into something, that'd be cool.

I don't hate it

I do. Esp the Vucevic part. And esp the Williams part.
31to6, I thought we were over the Vuc stuff? I was only kidding in my other post, man.
We're still agreed on no Kemba, at least.

[31to6]

Celtics out: Jaylen (32), Brogdon (22), Pritchard (4)
Celtics in: DeRozan (28/1), Vucevic (resigned at 23M per?), Patrick Williams (9), 2024 1st if they can trade it

Smart/DeRozan/Tatum/Al/Vuc
White/??/Williams/Williams/Williams

Williams bench trifecta complete
Draft a SG named Williams and we'd really be getting somewhere

Analysis: DeRozan is old, and doesn't shoot 3s, but you know he's good and doesn't turn the ball over.
Vuc is also old, but *does* shoot 3s now, and rebounds and passes and maybe isn't as bad a defender as you think.
In fact, I'd like this trade and almost do it if not for the fact that I think Patrick Williams sucks. If I really thought he could grow into something, that'd be cool.

I don't hate it

I do. Esp the Vucevic part. And esp the Williams part.
31to6, I thought we were over the Vuc stuff? I was only kidding in my other post, man.
We're still agreed on no Kemba, at least.

Look I won't claim to be CHL burner account, but I'm committed to this bit. #RideOrVucDie
no Kemba

[Celts17Pride]

My trade of the day:

Boston trades Brogdan, Pritchard, Muscala, Kornet, future protected 1st round pick to Phoenix for Ayton

Go for it this year, makes trades next year

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[RickyDizzle]

I don't hate it

I do. Esp the Vucevic part. And esp the Williams part.
31to6, I thought we were over the Vuc stuff? I was only kidding in my other post, man.
We're still agreed on no Kemba, at least.

Look I won't claim to be CHL burner account, but I'm committed to this bit. #RideOrVucDie
no Kemba

Vuc at 23 mil per is no bueno. 12 or 13 mil and I'm down.

[leper-con]

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Just keep him out of Miami.

[Andrew McCeltic]

There’s actually one plausible extend and trade - Jaylen adds 1 year to his deal to placate the team acquiring him (e.g. Portland).. delays his regular max extension for a year.

[flintsky21]

We need a young Al Horford. I like Grant as a rotation big but he isn’t capable of filling Al’s shoes as rim protector. Wendell Carter JR. is the perfect target. If we could get him a couple of years practicing with Al he could develop into a solid option. Look at how successful Butler has been next to Bam a young stud big man. I don’t know what it would take but maybe one of our guards and a couple of first rounders might entice them.

Agree. WCJ would be perfect. Unfortunately I don't see any reason Orlando would move him. He's a solid player on a good contract.

Orlando has been rumored to like Grant though. Personally, I'd do Grant (S&T) + Rob for WCJ and Isaac. We take Isaac off their hands in exchange for arguably a downgrade at center, though they might also see a defensive anchor like Rob as a better fit in the frontcourt next to their high scoring forward duo of Banchero and Franz Wagner.