Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time

[Daffy]

Zach Lowe is saying Portland has pushed away any offers so far for the #3 and want stronger offers. He also says he feels like Portland wants to try to use the pick and keep Lillard up to the trade deadline to see if he'll be ok with team that they've put around him.

Dame said in an interview about a month or so ago I think with Stephen A that moves needed to be made this summer one way or another and it was no waiting until the deadline. I guess we’ll see

I'm starting to realize Dame says a lot of things.

[contract]

Don’t see Portland holding him hostage if he wants out and I definitely think they’ll trade him to his preferred choice if it comes to it like we just saw with KD

Dame can definitely get Portland fans to turn the narrative against the FO. But, will he?

This is bizarre logic. However upset Blazers fans get at their front office, there is zero chance that the result of that will be fans wanting the team to send their best player out for a sub-optimal package. No fan anywhere ever threatened to boycott their favorite team unless ownership made it worse.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Don’t see Portland holding him hostage if he wants out and I definitely think they’ll trade him to his preferred choice if it comes to it like we just saw with KD

KD went to "one" of his preferred choices between Heat and Suns but Suns had the best offer hands down for him. It just took a while for the Suns to finally buckle with the offer. BK in this situation now locked and loaded with everything they got from the Suns now have the best offer for Dame if and when that time comes so any thought of him coming to the Heat because he has us as one of his "preferred destinations" become an exercise in futility. You were consistently pushing Tyler Herro and picks last year for Durant when we didn't even have close to matching the Suns last year when they offered Bridges, Cam Johnson, and also a boat load of picks.

Now you think that Herro, picks, and some corpses are going to work for Dame? Not happening when BK can offer useful expiring players who can actually play along with 5 picks no restrictions or hoops to climb like trying to coax OKC to drop protections. Unlike an offer including Lowry who will most likely sit until bought out, a huge contract in Duncan, and another useless player in Oladipo. If all we're banking on is "Dame preferred destination Miami" our offer is still not going to cut it for them in order to perceivably what you think is doing right by him but not right for there organization.

To be fair, unbiased reports always had Suns as option 1. They had a better offer, though.

Lillard never discussed the Heat as his number 1 option. He said he would like to play with Bam or Bridges who he's both friends with. Reports last year for Durant listed Suns and Heat as his preferred destinations but never did I see him say the Suns number 1 unless through back channel reports that came out later. Point is the best offer won. Conversations last year almost read exactly the same as they do this year. "All Durant_____insert Dame this year has to say is Miami" and just like that they'll take Herro, picks, and throw ins but it doesn't work out that way. The best offer is going to win and right now I would have to say BK has that. What's Dame going to say once BK and Blazers agree? He's going to call his bud Bridges a scrub and not worthy of going after he opened his mouth up about playing with him in BK?

[VaDe255]

Don’t see Portland holding him hostage if he wants out and I definitely think they’ll trade him to his preferred choice if it comes to it like we just saw with KD

KD went to "one" of his preferred choices between and Heat and Suns but Suns had the best offer hands down for him. It just took a while for the Suns to finally buckle with the offer. BK in this situation now locked and loaded with everything they got from the Suns now have the best offer for Dame if and when that time comes so any thought of him coming to the Heat because he has us as one of his "preferred destinations" become an exercise in futility. You were consistently pushing Tyler Herro and picks last year for Durant when we didn't even have close to matching the Suns last year when they offered Bridges, Cam Johnson, and also a boat load of picks.

Now you think that Herro, picks, and some corpses are going to work for Dame? Not happening when BK can offer useful expiring players who can actually play along with 5 picks no restrictions or hoops to climb like trying to coax OKC to drop protections. Unlike an offer including Lowry who will most likely sit until bought out, a huge contract in Duncan, and another useless player in Oladipo. If all we're banking on is "Dame preferred destination Miami" our offer is still not going to cut it for them in order to perceivably what you think is doing right by him but not right for there organization.

Our best offer is:

Herro + Jovic + Caleb + Oladipo + 18th pick (or who ever gets drafted there) + 2(3 depends on OKC) FRPs picks

Seem like an acceptable offer and Jovic fits well with what they already have, Caleb is on a very valuable contract and still has some potential, Herro not a good fit, but also still young and has potential. I'd say the players are better than what Brooklyn can offer.

I def. think this is a reasonable offer Portland would consider, but ye a lot has to happen and I don't even know if I want them to offer all of this, because it's a ton for 1 player and leaves them with very little to fill out the roster.

[Rapaz]

Zach Lowe is saying Portland has pushed away any offers so far for the #3 and want stronger offers. He also says he feels like Portland wants to try to use the pick and keep Lillard up to the trade deadline to see if he'll be ok with team that they've put around him.

Dame said in an interview about a month or so ago I think with Stephen A that moves needed to be made this summer one way or another and it was no waiting until the deadline. I guess we’ll see

He can’t keep his mouth shut. I’m starting to get sick of the guy, tbh. Cronin should trade him to Raptors so he gets taxed up the Strus.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Daffy]

Also I felt like Dame was leaving but after watching his live video yesterday where he once again said he expects to be in Portland I think he's staying. He could've easily not addressed the whole leaving or staying in Portland thing. The fact that he looked so annoyed and reiterated his desire and belief to stay in Portland has me sold he's not going to be in Miami.

[HeatIn5]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Don’t see Portland holding him hostage if he wants out and I definitely think they’ll trade him to his preferred choice if it comes to it like we just saw with KD

KD went to "one" of his preferred choices between and Heat and Suns but Suns had the best offer hands down for him. It just took a while for the Suns to finally buckle with the offer. BK in this situation now locked and loaded with everything they got from the Suns now have the best offer for Dame if and when that time comes so any thought of him coming to the Heat because he has us as one of his "preferred destinations" become an exercise in futility. You were consistently pushing Tyler Herro and picks last year for Durant when we didn't even have close to matching the Suns last year when they offered Bridges, Cam Johnson, and also a boat load of picks.

Now you think that Herro, picks, and some corpses are going to work for Dame? Not happening when BK can offer useful expiring players who can actually play along with 5 picks no restrictions or hoops to climb like trying to coax OKC to drop protections. Unlike an offer including Lowry who will most likely sit until bought out, a huge contract in Duncan, and another useless player in Oladipo. If all we're banking on is "Dame preferred destination Miami" our offer is still not going to cut it for them in order to perceivably what you think is doing right by him but not right for there organization.

Our best offer is:

Herro + Jovic + Caleb + Oladipo + 18th pick (or who ever gets drafted there) + 2(3 depends on OKC) FRPs picks

Seem like an acceptable offer and Jovic fits well with what they already have, Caleb is on a very valuable contract and still has some potential, Herro not a good fit, but also still young and has potential. I'd say the players are better than what Brooklyn can offer.

I def. think this is a reasonable offer Portland would consider, but ye a lot has to happen and I don't even know if I want them to offer all of this, because it's a ton for 1 player and leaves them with very little to fill out the roster.

The ending here is pretty much what Riley was trying to convey in yesterday’s presser

[3ammy3uck3ts]

KD went to "one" of his preferred choices between Heat and Suns but Suns had the best offer hands down for him. It just took a while for the Suns to finally buckle with the offer. BK in this situation now locked and loaded with everything they got from the Suns now have the best offer for Dame if and when that time comes so any thought of him coming to the Heat because he has us as one of his "preferred destinations" become an exercise in futility. You were consistently pushing Tyler Herro and picks last year for Durant when we didn't even have close to matching the Suns last year when they offered Bridges, Cam Johnson, and also a boat load of picks.

Now you think that Herro, picks, and some corpses are going to work for Dame? Not happening when BK can offer useful expiring players who can actually play along with 5 picks no restrictions or hoops to climb like trying to coax OKC to drop protections. Unlike an offer including Lowry who will most likely sit until bought out, a huge contract in Duncan, and another useless player in Oladipo. If all we're banking on is "Dame preferred destination Miami" our offer is still not going to cut it for them in order to perceivably what you think is doing right by him but not right for there organization.

To be fair, unbiased reports always had Suns as option 1. They had a better offer, though.

Lillard never discussed the Heat as his number 1 option. He said he would like to play with Bam or Bridges who he's both friends with. Reports last year for Durant listed Suns and Heat as his preferred destinations but never did I see him say the Suns number 1 unless through back channel reports that came out later. Point is the best offer won. Conversations last year almost read exactly the same as they do this year. "All Durant_____insert Dame this year has to say is Miami" and just like that they'll take Herro, picks, and throw ins but it doesn't work out that way. The best offer is going to win and right now I would have to say BK has that. What's Dame going to say once BK and Blazers agree? He's going to call his bud Bridges a scrub and not worthy of going after he opened his mouth up about playing with him in BK?

Phoenix was the lead dog the entire time and then we’re the only team at the deadline. This was reported.

Dame on where he would like to play most among the Knicks nets Heat and Celtics l: “obviously Miami”

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also I felt like Dame was leaving but after watching his live video yesterday where he once again said he expects to be in Portland I think he's staying. He could've easily not addressed the whole leaving or staying in Portland thing. The fact that he looked so annoyed and reiterated his desire and belief to stay in Portland has me sold he's not going to be in Miami.

Fwiw that live was from weeks ago

[HeatIn5]

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[IceColdCubano]

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LOL Doubtful this comes out this early, unless Portland has a come to Jesus conversation with him prior to tomorrow and tells him they will be keeping the pick and this is their plan.

[DayofMourning]

Suns drafted Booker when we were going to if not for Winslow dropping. PHX traded for Bridges who was acquired with our pick. KD chose the Suns over us. Beal chose the Suns over us. How many more hits do we have to take?

[Kobewade11]

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Lillard never discussed the Heat as his number 1 option. He said he would like to play with Bam or Bridges who he's both friends with. Reports last year for Durant listed Suns and Heat as his preferred destinations but never did I see him say the Suns number 1 unless through back channel reports that came out later. Point is the best offer won. Conversations last year almost read exactly the same as they do this year. "All Durant_____insert Dame this year has to say is Miami" and just like that they'll take Herro, picks, and throw ins but it doesn't work out that way. The best offer is going to win and right now I would have to say BK has that. What's Dame going to say once BK and Blazers agree? He's going to call his bud Bridges a scrub and not worthy of going after he opened his mouth up about playing with him in BK?

And this is the thing, players have to make it clear where they want to be. Jimmy did it, he declared his intentions were Miami and thats why he is here. Donovan Mitchell’s goofy ass talking about he “thought” he was going to land in Miami meanwhile he never declared this was his desired destination. KD another one, as you said never declared Miami. If Bam is this good recruiter that everyone says he is, he needs to tell Dame he has to declare he wants to play in Miami. If its going to be just another ambiguous list of preferred destinations people here need to prepare to be outbid by more attractive packages.

[greg4012]

Don’t see Portland holding him hostage if he wants out and I definitely think they’ll trade him to his preferred choice if it comes to it like we just saw with KD

Dame can definitely get Portland fans to turn the narrative against the FO. But, will he?

This is bizarre logic. However upset Blazers fans get at their front office, there is zero chance that the result of that will be fans wanting the team to send their best player out for a sub-optimal package. No fan anywhere ever threatened to boycott their favorite team unless ownership made it worse.

Everything about Portland is bizarre. Have you seen the prevailing narratives among their fans and Dame?

[greg4012]

Dame said in an interview about a month or so ago I think with Stephen A that moves needed to be made this summer one way or another and it was no waiting until the deadline. I guess we’ll see

This is what he's getting the vibe of talking to Portland people, they don't have to trade Lillard even if he asks out, they could say we will trade you by X if you don't like this. Of course, Portland is going to want to keep Lillard and may try to push for him to stay because they can always trade him later.

It's not like players under contract can just get up and leave. They don't have to ask him anything. Portland purchased his rights at a very steep price.

This is terrible logic (you enjoy the call out?). Portland paid market price that just about any NBA franchise would have opted to pay in the same scenario. This isn't a Bradley Beal scenario. Every top 10 player in the NBA is worth the max contract and more.

One that has true value doesn't feel an excessive sense of loyalty and duty to an employer above other suitors for the simple fact that they're paying what the market dictates they're worth (or less).

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Lillard never discussed the Heat as his number 1 option. He said he would like to play with Bam or Bridges who he's both friends with. Reports last year for Durant listed Suns and Heat as his preferred destinations but never did I see him say the Suns number 1 unless through back channel reports that came out later. Point is the best offer won. Conversations last year almost read exactly the same as they do this year. "All Durant_____insert Dame this year has to say is Miami" and just like that they'll take Herro, picks, and throw ins but it doesn't work out that way. The best offer is going to win and right now I would have to say BK has that. What's Dame going to say once BK and Blazers agree? He's going to call his bud Bridges a scrub and not worthy of going after he opened his mouth up about playing with him in BK?

And this is the thing, players have to make it clear where they want to be. Jimmy did it, he declared his intentions were Miami and thats why he is here. Donovan Mitchell’s goofy ass talking about he “thought” he was going to land in Miami meanwhile he never declared this was his desired destination. KD another one, as you said never declared Miami. If Bam is this good recruiter that everyone says he is, he needs to tell Dame he has to declare he wants to play in Miami. If its going to be just another ambiguous list of preferred destinations people here need to prepare to be outbid by more attractive packages.

If Bam couldn't do that with Mitchell after being with him all summer there's no damn way that's happening with Dame. Pipe dream fantasy stuff.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Suns drafted Booker when we were going to if not for Winslow dropping. PHX traded for Bridges who was acquired with our pick. KD chose the Suns over us. Beal chose the Suns over us. How many more hits do we have to take?

BK owns our damn souls

[greg4012]

KD went to "one" of his preferred choices between Heat and Suns but Suns had the best offer hands down for him. It just took a while for the Suns to finally buckle with the offer. BK in this situation now locked and loaded with everything they got from the Suns now have the best offer for Dame if and when that time comes so any thought of him coming to the Heat because he has us as one of his "preferred destinations" become an exercise in futility. You were consistently pushing Tyler Herro and picks last year for Durant when we didn't even have close to matching the Suns last year when they offered Bridges, Cam Johnson, and also a boat load of picks.

Now you think that Herro, picks, and some corpses are going to work for Dame? Not happening when BK can offer useful expiring players who can actually play along with 5 picks no restrictions or hoops to climb like trying to coax OKC to drop protections. Unlike an offer including Lowry who will most likely sit until bought out, a huge contract in Duncan, and another useless player in Oladipo. If all we're banking on is "Dame preferred destination Miami" our offer is still not going to cut it for them in order to perceivably what you think is doing right by him but not right for there organization.

To be fair, unbiased reports always had Suns as option 1. They had a better offer, though.

Lillard never discussed the Heat as his number 1 option. He said he would like to play with Bam or Bridges who he's both friends with. Reports last year for Durant listed Suns and Heat as his preferred destinations but never did I see him say the Suns number 1 unless through back channel reports that came out later. Point is the best offer won. Conversations last year almost read exactly the same as they do this year. "All Durant_____insert Dame this year has to say is Miami" and just like that they'll take Herro, picks, and throw ins but it doesn't work out that way. The best offer is going to win and right now I would have to say BK has that. What's Dame going to say once BK and Blazers agree? He's going to call his bud Bridges a scrub and not worthy of going after he opened his mouth up about playing with him in BK?

I never said he did. None of us know where things will land there. None of us have inside info lol

You're too caught up in trying to dictate how everyone thinks.

I get it. It happens on these message boards a lot. I've def been victim of the same.