#3 for Zion??

[zzaj]

Anybody that is high on Zion, and thinks that his injuries are just weight related needs to watch this doctor's series of videos. It's SUCH a bad idea to trade for Zion.

Watch on YouTube

[DusterBuster]

Look, the risk reward with Zion just is what it is. Risk that he’s injured all the time and lazy, but the reward is he’s a MVP caliber player when he plays. He has been that every time he has stepped on the floor. The only reason he’s available is because of the injuries, so you roll the dice on the injuries getting better… if they do you have a MVP player…. Roll it!!

Exactly, without the issues he’s untouchable. If you think that he will be able to get past the injury issues and Dame approves then it needs to be considered. His contract does have weight requirements and what not to further motivate him, so there’s reasons to be optimistic.

And I can't state this enough, he's only 22. It feels like he's been in the league for ages, but he's barely older than some of the players in this draft. So if you can get him for 3, it's practically like you're drafting an NBA ready player at 3, especially with his extension locked in.

[DusterBuster]

Anybody that is high on Zion, and thinks that his injuries are just weight related needs to watch this doctor's series of videos. It's SUCH a bad idea to trade for Zion.

Watch on YouTube

I'll save medical expertise for the people who actually are seeing his records and him in person vs *checks notes* guy on YouTube.

[The Sebastian Express]

Just for the record he does turn 23 on the 6th. Not that much of a difference but just a little fyi. I am spewing random facts because Goldblum's report has me furious.

[mighty_duck]

I'll save medical expertise for the people who actually are seeing his records and him in person vs *checks notes* guy on YouTube.

What do you mean, he has a tie and everything!

But what he says rings true. I remember Bill Simmons saying the same thing about Greg Oden pre-draft.
Successful athletes have a certain fluidity to their movements. Zion, even pre-draft, walks like an old man with arthritis, weighs upwards of 300 pounds (and counting!), and then his whole game is predicated on strength and employing his 40 inch vertical.
He also has low work ethic and drive, and has already gotten his generational wealth contract.

Fearless prediction - I doubt we'll see him suit up for more than 60 games for the rest of his career.

[The Sebastian Express]

I just want to state a longer leg is more about hip alignment and muscle tightness in this area and is not going to lead to getting microfracture surgery at nineteen. Or the Blazers making him top heavy during his rehab. Or his patella breaking apart from the strength of his quad and hamstring.

It was just terrible luck.

[Wizenheimer]

I am spewing random facts because Goldblum's report has me furious.

what?

[The Sebastian Express]

I am spewing random facts because Goldblum's report has me furious.

what?

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2273992&start=1020#p106997034

But we should keep discussion of that there.

[zzaj]

Anybody that is high on Zion, and thinks that his injuries are just weight related needs to watch this doctor's series of videos. It's SUCH a bad idea to trade for Zion.

Watch on YouTube

I'll save medical expertise for the people who actually are seeing his records and him in person vs *checks notes* guy on YouTube.

That's fair, if you're the one making the decision...but as a casual--when an athlete has a history of being injury prone, and a Mayo clinic sports rehab and gait specialist (yes, I checked...vetting licensure is what I do for a living) who looks at athletes' gaits all day long has something to say about the subject, I'll listen.

I'll say it outright. Anybody that thinks that if Zion comes to Portland (or anywhere, really) he will magically start playing 82 games a season because of Lillard's leadership ability, is fooling themselves.

[zzaj]

Also, I'll ask this earnestly to anybody who is on team Zion:

What good reason would New Orleans have to even be willing to part with a generationally touted #1 pick?

[mighty_duck]

Also, I'll ask this earnestly to anybody who is on team Zion:

What good reason would New Orleans have to even be willing to part with a generationally touted #1 pick?

If I put on a Team Zion hat for a second, that's easy enough.
1. They acknowledge that Zion is a high risk high reward guy. Boom or Bust. Contender or lottery team depending on how his joints fair that year. They prefer stability.
2. They have internally ranked Scoot as a future all-nba guy (whether correctly or not).
3. They'll also get Simons, who they may have internally highly ranked.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

[DusterBuster]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

According to the ESPN trade machine, just Nurk straight up for Zion works currently, I believe due to his PPP and Nurks salary matching Zion’s pre-extension salary.

[jhern87]

I am spewing random facts because Goldblum's report has me furious.

what?

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2273992&start=1020#p106997034

But we should keep discussion of that there.

Is he in the know? This is the first I’ve seen a Dame for Zion deal mentioned.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

According to the ESPN trade machine, just Nurk straight up for Zion works currently, I believe due to his PPP and Nurks salary matching Zion’s pre-extension salary.

We need wiz in here!

[DusterBuster]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

According to the ESPN trade machine, just Nurk straight up for Zion works currently, I believe due to his PPP and Nurks salary matching Zion’s pre-extension salary.

We need wiz in here!

Yeah, not sure if the apps are wrong or missing some obscure CBA rule… but every app gives me the green check for just a straight swap of Nurk for Zion.

Would be amazing if Portland can keep Simons for a secondary deal.

[mighty_duck]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

According to the ESPN trade machine, just Nurk straight up for Zion works currently, I believe due to his PPP and Nurks salary matching Zion’s pre-extension salary.

ESPN trade machine is broken for now, showing last season's salaries.
But I think your proposal works.
For next season, Zion makes 33.5m. We'll need to match up to 125% of that, so send at least 26.8m of outgoing salaries.
Nurk makes 16.9m next season. Little 6.2m. Knox 3m. Keon 2.8m = 28.9m

[DusterBuster]

I think you can actually do Zion + other stuff for Jusuf, Little, Knox and Keon plus the third to come out within the same salary range. I don't think you need to include Simons, saving him for an upgrade at center.

According to the ESPN trade machine, just Nurk straight up for Zion works currently, I believe due to his PPP and Nurks salary matching Zion’s pre-extension salary.

ESPN trade machine is broken for now, showing last season's salaries.
But I think your proposal works.
For next season, Zion makes 33.5m. We'll need to match up to 125% of that, so send at least 26.8m of outgoing salaries.
Nurk makes 16.9m next season. Little 6.2m. Knox 3m. Keon 2.8m = 28.9m

Fwiw, it’s not just the ESPN trade machine it works on. Tried it on the my iOS NBA Switch app and it worked. Could be both aren’t right tho.

[zzaj]

Also, I'll ask this earnestly to anybody who is on team Zion:

What good reason would New Orleans have to even be willing to part with a generationally touted #1 pick?

If I put on a Team Zion hat for a second, that's easy enough.
1. They acknowledge that Zion is a high risk high reward guy. Boom or Bust. Contender or lottery team depending on how his joints fair that year. They prefer stability.
2. They have internally ranked Scoot as a future all-nba guy (whether correctly or not).
3. They'll also get Simons, who they may have internally highly ranked.

1. That's an admission that he has injury issues, or at the very least has in-"stability".

2 & 3. That would mean they rank the value of Scoot + Simons higher than Zion. Given Zion's instability, I would guess that every team in the NBA would as well. The Blazers would be going against the grain to give up a major asset in #3 and an asset in Simons.

Logically, if New Orleans is entertaining offers for Zion it's pointing to an underlying issue--whether it's injuries, off the court stuff, being disgruntled, whatever...in every case it's a red flag.

[saints63213]

As a pelican fan with two friends that work around the team They absolutely love Scoot Henderson... nly reason they are entertaining trading Zion is to get Scoot in a deal... Zion won't be traded for any deal that doesn't net them Scoot + assets....
Pelicans aren't shopping Zion. This is about how the internally view Scoot... It also likely buys David Griffin a year or two before they look to fire him if the Reset to Scoot from Zion as franchise pieces.