Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

Post #1461 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:28 pm

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TimberKat · Post #1462 » by **TimberKat** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:29 pm

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I guess both Delon Wright and Monte Morris are available

OK, so that means Paul and/or Westbrook is available. I take either to split time with Conley.

minimus · Post #1463 » by **minimus** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:32 pm

Klomp wrote:
minimus wrote:I guess both Delon Wright and Monte Morris are available

Monte Morris for Prince and 53?

I am hesitating between Morris and Wright. I saw some metrics saying that Morris is one of the worst rim pressure guards in NBA, on other hand he doesn't turn the ball over. While Wright last season was one of the best in some defensive metrics...

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I just wonder if Wright-NAW-Moore backcourt from the bench can be terror in defense against opponents on perimeter, while Anderson playing backup PG and connector on defense for bench unit

SO_MONEY · Post #1464 » by **SO_MONEY** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:34 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
shrink wrote:Rumor is that Tim Connolly is trying to trade into the first round. If the team is truly rolling it back, there’s not a lot to offer:

Taurean Prince $7.65 mil expiring. (maybe he starts in MEM or POR?)

Wendell Moore Jr, 26th pick, 2022 draft
Josh Minott, 45th pick, 2022 draft. Hinkie Special. Connolly said he thinks of the project as his 2023 1st.

Sign-and-trade candidate Naz Reid (if a team wants to outbid the cap space teams). NAW too.

Second Round picks
2023: #53
2024: least favorable between MEM and WAS
2025: UTA
2026: UTA
2026: least favorable between SA, MIA, IND

It’s doubtful any single asset could bring a first back on its own, so what would we package?

Two teams that might be looking to move a late first are CHA (2, 27, 34, 39, 41) and IND (7, 26, 29, 32, 55).

There goes those two picks:

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Maybe that benefits us?

The Denver/TC connection...

Maybe Denver went out to get a pick for a different deal?

Note30 · Post #1465 » by **Note30** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:38 pm

Klomp wrote:

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In a heartbeat, theres no way the Grizzlies do that trade its terrible for them.

Note30 · Post #1466 » by **Note30** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:39 pm

TimberKat wrote:
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I guess both Delon Wright and Monte Morris are available

OK, so that means Paul and/or Westbrook is available. I take either to split time with Conley.

As much as I love Westbrook's ferocity, he and Gobert would be a terrible fit. Paul can't stay healthy and next season we need to look for two PG's potentially.

TimberKat · Post #1467 » by **TimberKat** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:59 pm

Note30 wrote:
TimberKat wrote:OK, so that means Paul and/or Westbrook is available. I take either to split time with Conley.

As much as I love Westbrook's ferocity, he and Gobert would be a terrible fit. Paul can't stay healthy and next season we need to look for two PG's potentially.

Just view all of Westbrook's shoots as lob pass to Gobert

shangrila · Post #1468 » by **shangrila** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:26 pm

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Of course I'd do that.

The fact Doogie is reporting our interest all but confirms Jones won't be coming here though.

Krapinsky · Post #1469 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:44 pm

Some smoke with LAC shopping George...

How about Paul George for Gobert?

Baseline81 · Post #1470 » by **Baseline81** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:13 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Some smoke with LAC shopping George...

How about Paul George for Gobert?

Not my cup of tea.

Hasn't played over 56 games in a season since 2018-2019 with OKC.

2019-20: 48
2020-21: 54
2021-22: 31
2022-23: 56

He does have one less year on his contract compared to Gobert.

I am also hesitant to push McDaniels to PF.

shrink · Post #1471 » by **shrink** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:58 pm

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I don’t really understand these rumors from MEM that they are shopping Tyus. With Ja’s suspension, and the fact that they’ve played even better with Tyus at the helm, I would have assumed he wouldn’t get traded. I know MEM is a small market, and has to be very sensitive about adding payroll, but I feel like they made the decision to pay Tyus last year when they allowed Kyle Anderson to reach free agency.

For us, yeah, I love me some Tyus, especially next to Ant, but Mike Conley has a pretty important role here. He won’t be just feeding Gobert - he’ll be teaching others how to do it, particularly Ant. Moreover, he is one of the NBA’s most professional players, and we want his method of approaching the NBA (on and off the court) to rub off on the impressionable Ant. I’d still probably do this deal, but I don’t think it’s clearly a win for MIN.

Neeva · Post #1472 » by **Neeva** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:00 pm

Why would we want Kennard? Conley was the superior PG in the playoffs and down the stretch , wolves need real value coming back.

BlacJacMac · Post #1473 » by **BlacJacMac** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Neeva wrote:Why would we want Kennard? Conley was the superior PG in the playoffs and down the stretch , wolves need real value coming back.

Because he's one of the best shooters in the game and he doesn't hurt you on defense. A guy any team would love coming off their bench.

SO_MONEY · Post #1474 » by **SO_MONEY** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:27 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Neeva wrote:Why would we want Kennard? Conley was the superior PG in the playoffs and down the stretch , wolves need real value coming back.

Because he's one of the best shooters in the game and he doesn't hurt you on defense. A guy any team would love coming off their bench.

Meh. On his contact it isn't some great prize.

BlacJacMac · Post #1475 » by **BlacJacMac** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:46 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Neeva wrote:Why would we want Kennard? Conley was the superior PG in the playoffs and down the stretch , wolves need real value coming back.

Because he's one of the best shooters in the game and he doesn't hurt you on defense. A guy any team would love coming off their bench.

Meh. On his contact it isn't some great prize.

I'd rather have him than Prince. And if the meat of the trade is Tyus for Conley (who I'd hate to lose), Luke is a nice secondary piece coming back.

Post #1476 » by **Calinks** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:47 pm

wolves_89 wrote:

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The extra $3M before hitting the luxury tax line could have an actual impact on the Wolves off-season.

Yea this could be really big for us. Great news.

twolves31 · Post #1477 » by **twolves31** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:27 pm

[Fischer] Orlando has left various personnel with the impression that drafting a guard like Ausar Thompson or Anthony Black would lead the Magic to exploring trade opportunities for one of Jalen Suggs or Cole Anthony.

SO_MONEY · Post #1478 » by **SO_MONEY** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:41 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Because he's one of the best shooters in the game and he doesn't hurt you on defense. A guy any team would love coming off their bench.

Meh. On his contact it isn't some great prize.

I'd rather have him than Prince. And if the meat of the trade is Tyus for Conley (who I'd hate to lose), Luke is a nice secondary piece coming back.

I am going to have to go back to what I said. Prince makes a little more than half what Kennard makes.

BlacJacMac · Post #1479 » by **BlacJacMac** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:12 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Meh. On his contact it isn't some great prize.

I'd rather have him than Prince. And if the meat of the trade is Tyus for Conley (who I'd hate to lose), Luke is a nice secondary piece coming back.

I am going to have to go back to what I said. Prince makes a little more than half what Kennard makes.

I don't trust Prince.

SO_MONEY · Post #1480 » by **SO_MONEY** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:34 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
I'd rather have him than Prince. And if the meat of the trade is Tyus for Conley (who I'd hate to lose), Luke is a nice secondary piece coming back.

I am going to have to go back to what I said. Prince makes a little more than half what Kennard makes.

I don't trust Prince.

I don't trust any of them, but that is what you get out of that caliber player. I am not saying the trade is the end of the world, it is moving deck chairs. I am not a Tyus fan, but whatever. The one thing that might be of value is Kennard's club option next year... I like that better than the player.